Found Deceased UT - REMAINS FOUND - MacKenzie "Kenzie" Lueck, 23, Salt Lake City, 17 June 2019 #13 *ARREST*

[diggndeeperstill]

Nope, articles mentioned upthread said police did not talk to him because she said when she reported it she did not want to pursue.

I would think he definitely would have been at least notified and probably questioned since she filed a police report against him. They are usually required to investigate any police report.

The way I understood it is that she did not persue the charges so they never arrested him. They would need evidence, which would probably be her testimony, which she apparently was not willing to do. Imo

 

[TristanP]

That “feels” like an attempt to smear the victim. Referencing (other, many) men indicates they may want (eventually) to put ML in the category of escort, or perhaps deeper into that trade, where the pool of suspects could be larger (creating doubt and diverting talk from AA).

I’m going by what I’ve read here tonight because I have not heard the interview (and not sure I can stomach it right now). Just responding to a previous post, and my opinion only as to why a statement like that might be made.

Edits — I wasn’t clear (and maybe I’m still not clear!)

Kenzie could have walked around wearing one of those sandwich boards, offering sex for money, and it still won’t keep a jury from convicting this guy.

There’s just a certain point of no return and I’m pretty sure dismembering (most likely) and burning her body in the back yard is one of those points.

 

[MsBetsy]

Nope, articles mentioned upthread said police did not talk to him because she said when she reported it she did not want to pursue.

The article in The Salt Lake Tribune stated he was once "investigated" for rape. I guess everyone interprets it differently. To me an investigation would include questioning the person the complaint is made against. Imo

 

[TristanP]

Nope, articles mentioned upthread said police did not talk to him because she said when she reported it she did not want to pursue.

I just don’t see how police could take a report like that without contacting the person named as the perpetrator.

If that’s the way it works then any of us could be making reports on anyone as much as we want, to create a “documented history” of complaints.

Police have to at least give the person being accused an opportunity to tell their side of the story.

 

[Seattle1]

I can promise it isn’t working. I can’t really attach a screenshot of my email. Maybe someone needs to tweet them to post that its been taken down.

Please remind me -- was the number disconnected, no answer, busy signal? Let me know, and I'll tweet message to SLCPD. Thanks...

 

[MsBetsy]

I just don’t see how police could take a report like that without contacting the person named as the perpetrator.

If that’s the way it works then any of us could be making reports on anyone as much as we want, to create a “documented history” of complaints.

Police have to at least give the person being accused an opportunity to tell their side of the story.

Yeah, in other articles it states that he was a "suspect" in a rape investigation. She went to the hospital for a sexual assault exam and filed a report so there is a public record. I don't see how he couldn't know.
That she sent him a text asking to leave her alone, and he sent her back an "unpleasant" message, gives me the feeling he knew he had gotten away with it and shows how arrogant and disrespectful he is. Imo

 

[Zella]

Yeah, in other articles it states that he was a "suspect" in a rape investigation. She went to the hospital for a sexual assault exam and filed a report so there is a public record. I don't see how he couldn't know.
That she sent him a text asking to leave her alone, and he sent her back an "unpleasant" message, gives me the feeling he knew he had gotten away with it and shows how arrogant and disrespectful he is. Imo

Oh I hadn't heard about the text message. But yes it does sound like regardless of how it played out, he thought he got away with it.

 

[Seattle1]

I would think he definitely would have been at least notified and probably questioned since she filed a police report against him. They are usually required to investigate any police report.

The way I understood it is that she did not pursue the charges so they never arrested him. They would need evidence, which would probably be her testimony, which she apparently was not willing to do. Imo

Very odd how this was handled. Allegedly, victim/co-worker went to a hospital, and that is where she made an "incident report" but refused to go to police department. Perhaps there is a marked difference between a formal police report, and an incident report. It doesn't look like the police had any choice in the matter. MOO

AA was investigated in a 2014 when the woman told police she had consensual sex with him. But when she wanted to stop, he refused, the woman said. She told police she did not want to press charges, but reported the incident "in case he did the same thing to someone else." Ajayi, now 31, was never interviewed about the incident after the woman stopped cooperating with police.

Suspect in Utah Student's Murder Once Accused of Rape

 

[diggndeeperstill]

There was a busy sound along with a message that said “all circuits are busy”.
I can’t remember if it said anything after that. It definitely would not make one think the number was down.

Please remind me -- was the number disconnected, no answer, busy signal? Let me know, and I'll tweet message to SLCPD. Thanks...

 

[JaneEyre]

I would think he definitely would have been at least notified and probably questioned since she filed a police report against him. They are usually required to investigate any police report.

The way I understood it is that she did not pursue the charges so they never arrested him. They would need evidence, which would probably be her testimony, which she apparently was not willing to do. Imo

Actually, I filed a police report on someone once but did not press charges. They did not notify him. My point in filing it was just so there was a record of assault by him in case something more serious ever happened. As this was basically the same point of the rape survivor’s police report, it it highly likely he was never informed.

 

[JaneEyre]

I just don’t see how police could take a report like that without contacting the person named as the perpetrator.

If that’s the way it works then any of us could be making reports on anyone as much as we want, to create a “documented history” of complaints.

Police have to at least give the person being accused an opportunity to tell their side of the story.

Bolded by me.

But they don’t. They really don’t have to if charges are not being pursued. If the accused had to be informed, many women would not even file the police report.

A cop convinced me to file it just in case he ever hurt me to the degree that I could not speak, so they would at least know who to start looking for.

 

[MsBetsy]

Bolded by me.

But they don’t. They really don’t have to if charges are not being pursued. If the accused had to be informed, many women would not even file the police report.

A cop convinced me to file it just in case he ever hurt me to the degree that I could not speak, so they would at least know who to start looking for.

It sounds like in your case it was never investigated, while LE considered him a suspect in this case and probably would have really liked to charge him. It seemed like they tried really hard to convince her to press charges, but it was out of their hands.
It's too bad, since they had the physical evidence he may have ended up in prison then. She probably wishes she had pursued it now.
He also got really lucky with the theft charges, not to mention the marriage that was never consummated, and God knows what else that we don't even know about. Imo

 

[Gingerbread7]

Given his online presence, has anyone thought maybe he did a live snuff film? Maybe it could go federal then?

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[mountainflower]

Just read the news report and then FB page of the lawyer Janet Fashakin in New York. Comparisons to the Central Park Five? AJ can't get justice in Salt Lake? He's in the lion's den? She doesn't use much logic in her post. I can't imagine these flawed arguments holding up in court too well.

AJ chose to live in Utah. He could have stayed in Texas with his "wife". He could have moved to NYC to be with a larger immigrant African and Caribbean population. California and Florida both have great beaches and large black communities. He stayed in Utah for a decade, of his own free will.

 

[mountainflower]

Given his online presence, has anyone thought maybe he did a live snuff film? Maybe it could go federal then?

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LE has talked about new warrants being granted. But I haven't heard of new searches at his home, the apartment he was arrested, or any other home for that matter. I'm not sure everything warrants could encompass, but a digital network has to be some of it, I would think.

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[MassGuy]

Just read the news report and then FB page of the lawyer Janet Fashakin in New York. Comparisons to the Central Park Five? AJ can't get justice in Salt Lake? He's in the lion's den? She doesn't use much logic in her post. I can't imagine these flawed arguments holding up in court too well.

AJ chose to live in Utah. He could have stayed in Texas with his "wife". He could have moved to NYC to be with a larger immigrant African and Caribbean population. California and Florida both have great beaches and large black communities. He stayed in Utah for a decade, of his own free will.

Yeah, she’s clearly not speaking to people who can think with any degree of logic.

There are some people who may buy this, but the vast majority will not.

It’s complete garbage. She might as well have whistled for a few minutes.

 

[margarita25]

(O/T, how sad is it that ID has a whole show/series called “Buried in the Backyard”:

Buried in the Backyard (TV Series 2018– ) - IMDb )

 

[diggndeeperstill]

This is an interesting article, although from 2012. Many things impact whether rape charges are pursued.

Study: Most rape cases in Salt Lake County never prosecuted

An audit of 270 rape cases in Salt Lake County shows that a mere 6 percent were prosecuted.


But rape victim advocates say the study's dismal results show that investigators and prosecutors have not done all they can to make the process more accommodating to victims and more consistent from agency to agency and from case to case.

At every step, it's common for [victims] to feel they're not believed," said Rape Recovery Center Director Holly Mullen. "They feel judged. It takes an enormous amount of grit to keep going."

In some cases, the victim's first interview is conducted by a patrol officer with little expertise in sex crimes, Mullen said.

If suspects are willing to do this to one victim, you find potentially there are other victims involved," Burbank said. "Even if there's not success right away, a lot times we've been able to tie other cases together."

 

[margarita25]

This is an interesting article, although from 2012. Many things impact whether rape charges are pursued.

Study: Most rape cases in Salt Lake County never prosecuted

An audit of 270 rape cases in Salt Lake County shows that a mere 6 percent were prosecuted.


But rape victim advocates say the study's dismal results show that investigators and prosecutors have not done all they can to make the process more accommodating to victims and more consistent from agency to agency and from case to case.

At every step, it's common for [victims] to feel they're not believed," said Rape Recovery Center Director Holly Mullen. "They feel judged. It takes an enormous amount of grit to keep going."

In some cases, the victim's first interview is conducted by a patrol officer with little expertise in sex crimes, Mullen said.

If suspects are willing to do this to one victim, you find potentially there are other victims involved," Burbank said. "Even if there's not success right away, a lot times we've been able to tie other cases together."

I wonder how many untested rape kits Utah has...

 

[AngGeslc]

Given his online presence, has anyone thought maybe he did a live snuff film? Maybe it could go federal then?

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I’ve been thinking this since learning of the cameras in his home!