NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #10

New Posts

PrairieWind said:
That is very strange. I don't think I have ever seen a case where a defendant waived the right to a jury trial and requested a bench trial and then had the judge rule he HAS to have a jury trial.
Click to expand...

I think that this is an important trial. And in a way, I don't think that he should have been charged. He sold ammunition. Since when is that illegal? There is no law to report sales of ammunition.

This guy is being held out as the only person who could be held accountable for the massacre. Would Walmart be on trial if the shooter had bought ammo there?

Agreed, he altered a gun. So do hundreds of gunsmiths. And yes, he sold armour piercing ammunition, which is not illegal under Arizona state law. It is in Nevada.

The appeal is already laid out if this guy is convicted of anything, having this trial in Las Vegas is beyond prejudicial.

I see this as a bad precedent. And slippery slope to a back door on more government control into the private sector.
 
Last edited:
I’m watching a documentary about this event, and have a question. They’re showing footage of police entering hotel room after hotel room, in some cases waking sleeping guests. This means they had card key entry for those doors. So, why did they use an explosive device to open Paddock’s doors? Was it because they thought they might be rigged with explosives?
 
mickey2942 said:
I think that this is an important trial. And in a way, I don't think that he should have been charged. He sold ammunition. Since when is that illegal? There is no law to report sales of ammunition.

This guy is being held out as the only person who could be held accountable for the massacre. Would Walmart be on trial if the shooter had bought ammo there?

Agreed, he altered a gun. So do hundreds of gunsmiths. And yes, he sold armour piercing ammunition, which is not illegal under Arizona state law. It is in Nevada.

The appeal is already laid out if this guy is convicted of anything, having this trial in Las Vegas is beyond prejudicial.

I see this as a bad precedent. And slippery slope to a back door on more government control into the private sector.
Click to expand...
I believe the charge is that he manufactured the armor piercing ammo without a proper license. He claims he did not do this. The evidence is his finger print on one of the alleged armor piercing rounds found at the scene. To me, it sounds like quite a stretch for the government to charge him. We will see what happens.
 
MGM Resorts says it plans to convert the shuttered Las Vegas Strip festival grounds that were the site of a 2017 mass shooting into a community and athletic center and parking for the new stadium being built for the NFL's Oakland Raiders.

MGM Resorts announced the plans in a statement Tuesday. The company owns the site of Route 91 festival grounds and the Mandalay Bay casino-resort, where a gunman in a high-rise suite opened fire on the crowd of 22,000, killing 58 people and injuring hundreds more.

The shooting was the deadliest in modern U.S. history.

MGM says in its statement that it knows that the festival grounds "will forever be linked to the tragic loss of life that took place there," and it plans to create a space on the property to remember the victims of the shooting.
MGM to use Vegas shooting site as community center, parking
 
imstilla.grandma said:
MGM Resorts says it plans to convert the shuttered Las Vegas Strip festival grounds that were the site of a 2017 mass shooting into a community and athletic center and parking for the new stadium being built for the NFL's Oakland Raiders.

MGM Resorts announced the plans in a statement Tuesday. The company owns the site of Route 91 festival grounds and the Mandalay Bay casino-resort, where a gunman in a high-rise suite opened fire on the crowd of 22,000, killing 58 people and injuring hundreds more.

The shooting was the deadliest in modern U.S. history.

MGM says in its statement that it knows that the festival grounds "will forever be linked to the tragic loss of life that took place there," and it plans to create a space on the property to remember the victims of the shooting.
MGM to use Vegas shooting site as community center, parking
Click to expand...
Thank you for the link. From it:

MGM to use Vegas shooting site as community center

>>>snip

..."It was important to us that the long-term use of the property include the community in some way," the company said in its statement.

MGM said that until the community and athletic center is completed, the property will serve as parking for games and concerts at the new $1.9 billion stadium being built for the Raiders when the team moves to Las Vegas next year...

<<<snip

Only in Vegas could this sound like a good idea. SMH.
 
x_files said:
Anyone else gets the feeling the FBI/CIA know what the motive was but we aren't gonna ever find out?
Click to expand...
Truthfully, no.
But they seem to have a practice of merely releasing the barest minimum of information.
Like, wdh happened to or was the source of the child *advertiser censored* on his computer?
What was that about?
The psychoanalytic report they published a year or so after his death was almost a classic exercise in nothingness, all of it.
I think they're pretty much bound to release details of national security threats, I doubt they found any..That is not the same as saying there's no story there because of course there is a story, Paddock's story and his rationale for the laborious detailed work he put into planning this massacre.
His reasons.But geez, I reckon we upturned every single rock and piece of dirt on this site.
We just didn't find it yet.
It is possible that nobody who knew him knew or even suspected he was liable to do this.But Paddock knew.
 
TristanP said:
I’m watching a documentary about this event, and have a question. They’re showing footage of police entering hotel room after hotel room, in some cases waking sleeping guests. This means they had card key entry for those doors. So, why did they use an explosive device to open Paddock’s doors? Was it because they thought they might be rigged with explosives?
Click to expand...
Yeah.
Also he had rigged some cameras to a dining trolley just outside his room, it's possible these were visible.
At the early stages it looked to be a terrorist attack so they took reasonable and appropriate precautions to protect themselves and the general public.
They had no idea what they would find at the other side of that door or knowledge that Paddock was already dead.
 
MGM agrees to pay up to $800 million to victims of 2017 Las Vegas massacre

“Today’s agreement marks a milestone in the recovery process for the victims of the horrifying events of 1 October,” Robert Eglet, a lead plaintiffs’ counsel, said in the statement.

“While nothing will be able to bring back the lives lost or undo the horrors so many suffered on that day, this settlement will provide fair compensation for thousands of victims and their families.”

He said the deal “represents good corporate citizenship” by MGM Resorts.“
 
I cannot believe it's been two years already. It feels like ages ago, and just yesterday at the same time. With the Sutherland Springs shooting happening so soon afterwards, the Las Vegas attack seemed to fade from media attention so quickly.

I will always be bothered by this horrific event and the lack of motive, but I'm praying the families and survivors have been able to find closure.
 
x_files said:
Anyone else gets the feeling the FBI/CIA know what the motive was but we aren't gonna ever find out?
Click to expand...

Elley Mae said:
Absolutely.
Click to expand...

I think this is very likely, but I struggle to think of a motive that the FBI/CIA would want to withhold. The public is already aware of mass-terror attacks driven by misogyny, racism, homophobia - even attacks which are based off of a certain political ideology and give certain politicians a bad look (don't want to get political here, but that much is already established).

What else could there be? Was Paddock working for the FBI in some capacity? How would that influence his motive?

I haven't done a lot of research on this case so I'm interested to hear others' opinions.
 
pixiepixel said:
I think this is very likely, but I struggle to think of a motive that the FBI/CIA would want to withhold. The public is already aware of mass-terror attacks driven by misogyny, racism, homophobia - even attacks which are based off of a certain political ideology and give certain politicians a bad look (don't want to get political here, but that much is already established).

What else could there be? Was Paddock working for the FBI in some capacity? How would that influence his motive?

I haven't done a lot of research on this case so I'm interested to hear others' opinions.
Click to expand...
The govt doesn't always seem to want to announce/admit it when there are ISIS/Islamic attacks on US citizens on US soil. imo.
 
pixiepixel said:
I think this is very likely, but I struggle to think of a motive that the FBI/CIA would want to withhold. The public is already aware of mass-terror attacks driven by misogyny, racism, homophobia - even attacks which are based off of a certain political ideology and give certain politicians a bad look (don't want to get political here, but that much is already established).

What else could there be? Was Paddock working for the FBI in some capacity? How would that influence his motive?

I haven't done a lot of research on this case so I'm interested to hear others' opinions.
Click to expand...

My suspicions NOT based on any facts/evidence but may have worked with the CIA at one point and went rogue. Would look bad to admit he was affiliated. JMO
The whole case is bizarre. Why bother to create a huge terrorist mass shooting not leave any manifesto or a clue why?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

DNASolves

Who is Escambia County John Doe (1989)?

Staff online

Members online

... and 220 more.
Total: 3,306 (members: 221, guests: 3,085)

Online statistics

Members online
221
Guests online
3,085
Total visitors
3,306
Totals may include hidden visitors.

Forum statistics

Threads
591,733
Messages
17,958,060
Members
228,595
Latest member
Rangelmcguire
Back
Top