Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #11

[otto]

I hope someone with physics or mechanical engineering expertise will chime in.

My best guess is that it flipped and slammed into a rock, causing the buckle.

Alternate guess is that two guys overloaded the boat and got in, causing the buckle.

That's my guess as well. The boat would have hit the rapids, turned, flipped, crashed, buckled and eventually ended up on the shore. It would not buckle from the weight of two people.

 

[NJSleuth91]

I think you’re spot on with C. All their actions point to them not planning this, plus them being nervous and paranoid in every encounter with people. It all adds up to them just winging it as they went.

At this point I'd be more shocked if it WAS premeditated.

They're only charged with second degree murder for Professor Dyck's murder too, which I think indicates that the police also haven't found any evidence that it was premeditated.

 

[copkid]

The witness seems reliable, so there probably was a suit in the car. BS family will know if he took the suit from home.

Otherwise it belongs to Prof. Dyck, a shorter and chubbier man. In that case, they would have sold it for cash.

JMO but if the witness from the checkpoint did observe a suit, which I believe he did, there really was no time for KM & BS to find a place to "sell" it before the Rav 4 was found burning.
Also JMO but do you think it is even possible that two fugitives on the run for murder would be trying to sell an old suit for cash? Talk about drawing attention to yourself! JMO

 

[1987]

I think there is a middle bench seat missing from boat damage. I also think the boat would sink before it bent from weight

 

[otto]

Yes the strength of the aluminium boat and the ferocity and depth of the current would be considered in that analysis as well. I’m always amazed at the information car crash experts are able to determine from what looks like a total mass of crunched metal.

I’m curious if this will be addressed in the next RCMP update.

https://keeyask.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Limestone-GS-Synthesis-Part-2.pdf

 

[scrappinkat]

Are there any media reports of this possible sighting?

Twitter

 

[Kubirai]

Maybe a ruse of a job interview at Gillam would’ve been the reply and B was that naive to think having a visible suit hanging in the rear seat (my speculation) would support a story such as that.

Suit for a job interview makes perfect sense!

 

[MistyWaters]

That's my guess as well. The boat would have hit the rapids, turned, flipped, crashed, buckled and eventually ended up on the shore. It would not buckle from the weight of two people.

No I’m not suggesting the boat buckled just by the weight of two people alone. But empty boats can be tossed over top of rapids as opposed to the difference of damage caused by the impact of a boat slamming into rapids that’s weighted down with people/supplies. This is why I wonder, if marine crash experts will able to determine if the boat was empty or possibly weighted down when it hit the rapids.

 

[sandbar]

JMO: I'd like to see a map with radial timelines showing how far someone might hypothetically be able to travel in that terrain, from the burned RAV4.

I bet they got to the Sundance ghost town, at least to regroup for a while. I haven't seen any reports about the ghost town being searched. Has anyone?

 

[otto]

Thanks, but I looked there lol. No DBM...

There's no "delete" function, so people hit the "edit" button, change the comment to Deleted By Me (DBM). I think that comes from BBM, which is Bold By Me.

 

[scrappinkat]

What I wonder, based on the river and the exact nature of the rapids - if a marine crash expert is able to determine if the boat’s damage indicates it had weight in it at the time it hit the rapids. For example an empty boat would be quite light and buoyant versus a boat carrying one or two people.

One of the people that works in that area has put pictures up of that same type of boat buried in ice. It might even be the same boat, can’t tell as the image quality isn’t great. Our river gets huge ice build up like that over winter and spring thaw it breaks up, anything that is caught in it ends up looking like that boat does.

 

[PNZ]

"When they pulled the charred Toyota out of the ditch, they found cans of sardines, small propane bottles, forks, orange peels, loose change and partially eaten pork chops, said Ms. Beardy, who had returned to the scene."

RCMP broaden search for suspects wanted in B.C. killings to York Landing, Man.

The contents of the RAV4 may have belonged to Mr. Dyck and not the suspects. There was also some camping gear there, seems like if they were planning on hiding in the bush, the might have taken those supplies with them.

 

[otto]

I think there is a middle bench seat missing from boat damage. I also think the boat would sink before it bent from weight

Some people remove one or more seats of the Jon flat bottom aluminium boat:

"Remove benches

This step is optional. It purely depends on the design you have in mind. Some people may argue that removing any of the benches takes away from the structural integrity of the boat. There is some validity in their claim.

However, if you are looking for a more open concept, you could remove the benches. If you do remove them, make the boat more structurally sound by installing solid flooring. Think long and carefully about removing benches. This is a very important decision."​

Jon Boat Into a Bass Boats: 8 Simple Steps

 

[Gina20]

Q2 first ... my hunch is that they know current or former workers of Gillam area hydroelectric projects.

When they decided to escape from Yukon/BC, they chose Gillam area intentionally.

Now Q1 ... Aug 4 has been eventful, but elsewhere. BS had joined some communist groups, and Dayton killer claimed to be a socialist. Imagine if their paths intersected online.

If so, it wouldn't be the first time workers from one northern hydro megaproject moved to another northern hydro megaproject. Thinking of how the route taken by KM and BS may well have taken them past the WAC Bennett Dam at Hudson's Hope and the Site C project near Fort St. John in B.C. I, too, am most curious about a possible connection to Gillam, and why they went there.

We already know that one suspect in a mid-1980s double shooting homicide of a couple near Chetwynd, B.C. went to Sundance, Manitoba, near where the burnt RAV4 was found. What are the chances that two suspects in a 2019 double shooting homicide of a couple, one of whom lived in Hudson's Hope near Chetwynd, would end up in the same place? Strange things happen, but that is quite a coincidence.

Sundance, Manitoba - Wikipedia
Double murder of Andrea Scherpf and Bernd Göricke - Wikipedia

Note the truck.

As for Ohio, the shooter had made threats against high school classmates.

Classmates: Ohio shooter kept a 'hit list' and a 'rape list'

 

[NJSleuth91]

Otherwise maybe the suits only purpose was to block light from the back seat window as they took turns sleeping in the back seat while the other drive during their hasty flee from BC to Man.

Bryer didn't know how to drive according to his dad.

 

[sandbar]

JMO: I'd like to see a map with radial timelines showing how far someone might hypothetically be able to travel in that terrain, from the burned RAV4.

I bet they got to the Sundance ghost town, at least to regroup for a while. I haven't seen any reports about the ghost town being searched. Has anyone?

Also, most timelines out there are from the POV of LE discovering the crime scenes. I'd like to know which crime was committed first and when...

 

[scrappinkat]

This person was talked about back in thread 9 or 10. Just for info that he was located safe and sound.

Missing 18-year-old man found safe: RCMP

 

[kmclaren]

2) With the teenagers being from BC...is northeast Manitoba and the Nelson River well-known enough that they would even be familiar with the area and the possible difficulties/travails that await them?

If you lived in British Columbia, were 18/19 years old but did have some survival skills...is the Nelson River one you would know enough about to possibly develop an in-situ escape plan if you, somehow, found yourself on the run from LE?

Just my personal thoughts but I grew up in BC, on the island too... After high school, I spent 12 years in Alberta, Sask and Manitoba and no, my 18 year old self would barely have even heard of Nelson River (other than high school geography class maybe) much less have a plan to escape from there. I lived in Winnipeg for 4 (long) years and never ventured much further north of that, so even living there, I really only knew the bottom 5% of the province.

I don't think these guys had a plan to end up where they did. Based on the sighting in Sask they probably just kept driving from there, got to The Pas, Manitoba saw a sign that said right to Winnipeg and left to Thompson and decided to avoid big city Winnipeg. JMO...

 

[NJSleuth91]

Also I found the link to the original interview of Bryer's dad where he talks about the various things I have referenced in the past few posts as well as giving more details on Bryer's personality and friendship with Kam. He says Bryer did not own any "real guns" (he did own airsoft guns though) or a vehicle, and did not know how to drive.

 

[Zella]

Also I found the link to the original interview of Bryer's dad where he talks about the various things I have referenced in the past few posts as well as giving more details on Bryer's personality and friendship with Kam. He says Bryer did not own any "real guns" (he did own airsoft guns though) or a vehicle, and did not know how to drive.

So, I know he has had some issues with credibility, so taking everything he says with a grain of salt, but I found what he said in the beginning very interesting.

He says that he didn't want to offend Kam's family, but then he says, "All I can say is my son didn't have any real guns, my son did not have a vehicle, my son does not know how to drive."

That juxtaposition sounds like he is strongly implying that the vehicle is from Kam's family and Kam would have to be the driver, which we have speculated as much (though as also noted, KM could have taught him to drive or he could be driving without a license), and it also sounds like he is strongly implying KM's family had guns.

Or if not implying they had them, it definitely sounds like he is trying to shift blame away from BS as the one who had the logistics for a cross-country murder spree but doing so in a way that he doesn't come right out and say access to any of this would have all come from the McLeod end. Interesting.