OH - 9 killed + Gunman, 16 injured, Mass Shooting, Oregon District, Dayton, 4 Aug 2019

[margarita25]

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[glamourkitty1922]

Except with almost every right-wing act of terrorism the victims do mean something; The El Paso shooter's goal was to kill immigrants, Dylann Roof's goal was to kill black people, The Christchurch shooter's goal was to kill muslims, Brevik's goal was to kill members of the youth wing of a leftist party...

And Antifa attacks people for their views, it's all the same. It's all hatred and violence and all need to be addressed. We cannot say one violent terror group is good and one violent terror group is bad. They are all bad because they all attack innocent people. Nobody deserves to be attacked for not being what a terrorist (be it right or left) wants.

 

[Inthedetails]

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I think we can agree on some things - we are against violence. That is common ground we call stand on, I'm assuming.

jmo

 

[rsd1200]

Definitely an antifa terrorist. extremists on both sides need to go away.

Idk much about antifa, but, the extremists, on both sides, can aid in igniting some of the most extreme, extremists, however, ultimately, the blame lies directly at the shooter's feet. He knew right from wrong. He chose to murder those people. There's always the thought that it could be a type of Son of Sam case, and he truly believed a vision (or as in the Son of Sam case, a dog), was giving him orders to do what he did, but I sorta doubt this was the case.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

It just occurred to me that some people may not have sleuthed this--may answer some questions:

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Note Creekview mentioned in this article

Dayton shooting: Suspect ID’d, reportedly had prior hit-list

Several Bellbrook police cruisers were at an address on Creekview Place as part of an investigation into the shooting.

I like what he said about mental health.

 

[Gardenista]

Dayton Shooter’s Classmate: ‘We Predicted He Would Do This’

 

[MassGuy]

Dayton Shooter’s Classmate: ‘We Predicted He Would Do This’

That’s not at all surprising.

This almost never comes out of nowhere (if it ever does). There is an escalating pattern of concerning behavior.

 

[Reasonable & Just]

Politics doesn’t explain these events.

Mass killers (shooters), all seem to have a similar psychological makeup.

They tend to be angry loners, who are looking for revenge.

They misdirect their rage on a group of people who they blame for their problems.

They find a sense of belonging to an ideology that strikes their fancy, whether it is white supremacy, radical Islam, or whatever the hell else.

Basically, they find something to fill the vacuum.

But that is a symptom, not a cause.

Right, that unstable sense of self needs to be filled by the words & energy of one charismatic speaker or another. I think that explains some of the "patchwork" or contradictory opinions and behaviors. I also think it explains some of the hesitation Dylann Roof showed but ultimately pushed past. Somewhere, there may be an opening to change the course, but IMO it's well before the firearms are pulled out and the vest is donned.

 

[Elley Mae]

A former cheerleader, the woman said she didn't really know Betts and was surprised when a police officer called her cellphone during her freshman year to tell her that her name was included on a list of potential targets.
"The officer said he wouldn't be at school for a while," she said. "But after some time passed he was back, walking the halls. They didn't give us any warning that he was returning to school."

Dayton, Ohio shooter Connor Betts kept a "hit list" and "rape list," Bellbrook High School classmates say - CBS News

The discovery of the hit list early in 2012 sparked a police investigation, and roughly one-third of Bellbrook students skipped school out of fear, according to an article in the Dayton Daily News.

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[Gardenista]

OMG

Surveillance video from Oregon home catches audio from shooting

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=481784195716257

 

[MassGuy]

Right, that unstable sense of self needs to be filled by the words & energy of one charismatic speaker or another. I think that explains some of the "patchwork" or contradictory opinions and behaviors. I also think it explains some of the hesitation Dylann Roof showed but ultimately pushed past. Somewhere, there may be an opening to change the course, but IMO it's well before the firearms are pulled out and the vest is donned.

Absolutely. There is a window of time in which these people can be impacted by some sort of psychological intervention.

That’s not just true for mass killers, but people who go on to do other violent crimes as well.

 

[Murphy1950]

OMG

Surveillance video from Oregon home catches audio from shooting

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=481784195716257

Couldn't help but notice, while that group were running away, a fellow loses his shoe. That must be common. Hence the pictures with the shoes.

 

[margarita25]

I think we can agree on some things - we are against violence. That is common ground we call stand on, I'm assuming.

jmo

Yay! Happy dance!

Exactly.

Couldn't help but notice, while that group were running away, a fellow loses his shoe. That must be common. Hence the pictures with the shoes.

Yes it is common.

From the Las Vegas Shooting:
People start collecting items lost during Las Vegas shooting

“In this Oct. 6, 2017, file photo, an FBI investigator works among thousands of personal items at a festival grounds across the street from the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino in Las Vegas. Friends and relatives of the victims and other concert-goers who survived returned Monday, Oct. 9, 2017, to reclaim baby strollers, shoes, phones, backpacks and purses left behind in the panic as they fled, at a Family Assistance Center at the Las Vegas Convention Center.“

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Mystery of viral photo from Vegas shooting solved

“REDONDO BEACH — When Stephen Vicelja went to the Route 91 Harvest Festival with friends, he never knew the cowboy boots he was wearing would mean so much.”

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Items left at Las Vegas concert are a ‘bloody’ mess
By Max Jaeger

October 8, 2017 | 6:19pm

https://nypost.com/2017/10/08/items-left-at-las-vegas-concert-are-a-bloody-mess/

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Items left behind at Las Vegas shooting returned to owners

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    An FBI member walks among piles of items at the scene of the mass shooting. John Locher/Associated Press
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“Vegas survivors collect the things they left behind, souvenirs of heartbreak and hope
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/souvenirs-of-heartbreak-and-hope-vegas-shooting-survivors-collect-the-things-they-left-behind/2017/10/09/7183e83e-acf8-11e7-be94-fabb0f1e9ffb_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.89536ea2430d

“Surrounded by frantic concertgoers who started trampling each other as they fled, Bingham decided she had to get out from behind the bar and run. She wound up in a warehouse in a dirt lot across the street and hid with others in an office behind a couch until 4 a.m.

The shoes are a reminder of heartbreak and hope.

"It was really sad just looking at them," Bingham said about slipping the dusty shoes back on after the shooting. "But I ran and I was saved."”

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Zoom in here and look for shoes, I see some:

People start collecting items lost during Las Vegas shooting – The Denver Post

 

[Inthedetails]

OMG

Surveillance video from Oregon home catches audio from shooting

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=481784195716257

OMG is right. SO MANY SHOTS!! So loud. The people running through the yard. Very, very scary.

I can understand how witnesses get the timing wrong when describing the events. Even with the time stamp on a video, it seems like so much longer. (I recall being in a bad car accident and I experienced time slowing down - everything was in slow motion, even though the accident was fast and over within seconds.)

jmo

 

[Inthedetails]

"Dayton gunman Connor Betts squeezed off at least 41 rounds in his 30-second rampage — but may have brought as many as 250 rounds to the bloodbath, cops said Monday."

https://nypost.com/2019/08/05/dayto...-fired-at-least-41-rounds-in-30-seconds-cops/

 

[glamourkitty1922]

Yay! Happy dance!

Exactly.



People start collecting items lost during Las Vegas shooting

“In this Oct. 6, 2017, file photo, an FBI investigator works among thousands of personal items at a festival grounds across the street from the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino in Las Vegas. Friends and relatives of the victims and other concert-goers who survived returned Monday, Oct. 9, 2017, to reclaim baby strollers, shoes, phones, backpacks and purses left behind in the panic as they fled, at a Family Assistance Center at the Las Vegas Convention Center.“

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Mystery of viral photo from Vegas shooting solved

“REDONDO BEACH — When Stephen Vicelja went to the Route 91 Harvest Festival with friends, he never knew the cowboy boots he was wearing would mean so much.”

Baby strollers? There were children there? The only thing positive was that at 1am there wouldn't be children.

 

[Gardenista]

"Dayton gunman Connor Betts squeezed off at least 41 rounds in his 30-second rampage — but may have brought as many as 250 rounds to the bloodbath, cops said Monday."

https://nypost.com/2019/08/05/dayto...-fired-at-least-41-rounds-in-30-seconds-cops/

That's about what I counted in that video I posted. No telling how many rounds were unloaded into him--from the video, it was A LOT. It's weird there was no blood, though.

 

[Tillicum]

OMG

Surveillance video from Oregon home catches audio from shooting

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=481784195716257

OMG is right. I just jumped out of my chair. This was 30 minutes from me. Too close to home.

 

[danzn16]

Couldn't help but notice, while that group were running away, a fellow loses his shoe. That must be common. Hence the pictures with the shoes.

In the surveillance video of the shooting of the CB, a man runs across the street and is tennis shoecomes right off in the road. No one stepped on it to peel it off. Apparently we need to tighten our shoelaces. It’s messed up but I always think of what shoes I’ll be wearing when I go to a crowed venue because of this. Shame.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

"Dayton gunman Connor Betts squeezed off at least 41 rounds in his 30-second rampage — but may have brought as many as 250 rounds to the bloodbath, cops said Monday."

https://nypost.com/2019/08/05/dayto...-fired-at-least-41-rounds-in-30-seconds-cops/

That was absolutely blood chilling! It was seconds but seemed like minutes! Those poor poor people. Out for an enjoyable evening and this happens. It's just so wrong.