Found Deceased Malaysia - Nora Quoirin, 15, from UK, special needs, missing on vacation, Seremban, 4 Aug 2019 #5

[Liming]

How does this Jim Gamble know what is broken or not? Is he part of the LE team sent to Malaysia from the UK?

I think he is part of the complaints from the family.

 

[Owlpellet]

Isn’t the police post at the start of the easier route to the waterfall? Maybe someone dropped her off near there as a place of safety, wanting to stay anonymous themselves in case they got blamed for anything. But there was no one there and she was thirsty and instead of waiting, she headed down to the water and got lost again. And when she wasn’t found at the police post, the authorities weren’t informed, but eventually through word of mouth some hikers got together and set off to find her.

 

[Skigh]

They are going to sue the resort, no doubt

I do not get the feeling they are going to sue the resort.
why do you think that?

 

[Eve71]

I do not get the feeling they are going to sue the resort.
why do you think that?

I don’t understand either. Why would they sue the resort?

 

[MsBetsy]

They are going to sue the resort, no doubt

Why is there no doubt?

 

[MsBetsy]

I don’t understand either. Why would they sue the resort?

I don't see how they could if the hotel made it clear there was no security and there was easy access to the resort.
Unless it's true that the lock was broken, and even then I'm not sure.
I don't remember reading anything indicating they were going to sue, just that the resort was considering closing down, or that it may be closed down, or something like that. Imo

 

[HongKongPhooey]

They are going to sue the resort, no doubt

For what?

 

[Lilibet]

I know we’ve seen frivolous lawsuits (IMO) in other cases, but until we see one filed by the Quoirin’s, it seems really unfair and unkind to assume that’s what they will do.
JMO

 

[Skigh]

I don't see how they could if the hotel made it clear there was no security and there was easy access to the resort.
Unless it's true that the lock was broken, and even then I'm not sure.
I don't remember reading anything indicating they were going to sue, just that the resort was considering closing down, or that it may be closed down, or something like that. Imo

I can't find the article ,but the report I read was that the Malaysian authorities were going to do an inspection to see if it met the requirements to remain open.
I do so hope it does,It would cause suffering to even more people, including locals who work there, if it were to close.

 

[cocomisty]

Garratt Park School

Nora was starting to become more independent, and had made some strong friendships. I have today received several emails from parents who have given me examples of her kindness to other, still more vulnerable children.

Thanks for the link @momrids6

 

[Eve71]

I don't see how they could if the hotel made it clear there was no security and there was easy access to the resort.
Unless it's true that the lock was broken, and even then I'm not sure.
I don't remember reading anything indicating they were going to sue, just that the resort was considering closing down, or that it may be closed down, or something like that. Imo

Same. The hotel are very open about the lack of locks on doors, etc. The family would have been aware. If there is no lock on the door, what difference does no lock on the window make? Unless it’s upstairs.

 

[Liming]

Maybe the ones that described her as having mild disabilities.
Holoprosencephaly is not normally a mild condition. Imo

It can be though or more likely moderate.
Having had experience of all spectrum's of LD, It would seem impossible that Nora comes under the severe level IMO . Severe in the UK would mean virtually incapable of any thing and/or severe behavioral issues.

 

[whatizzinit]

Someone who is lost and wandering will have no choice but to try to get around in the terrain, no matter how difficult it is - it's the only option. It's not impossible when it's literally the only choice someone might have when lost and in need of water, and she was found there near the water.

I don't understand people saying there's no way she could get around in the jungle considering her disabilities. Once someone becomes lost, which actually can happen very very easily in these sorts of areas, it's natural to wander around trying to find your way back and/or wander around in search of food and water. It's not suspicious that she was found near water, it's the result of a very basic human instinct

MOO

But this person clearly states she would have had to FIRST cross two fairly deep streams. She could have drank water from the first stream if that is what she was looking for.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Tragic teen Nora Quoirin prepares for her final journey home to be laid to rest close to her family.

Poignant photos have emerged of officials carrying the 15-year-old's body into transport in Malaysia today.

It was collected from the mortuary at Tuanku Ja’afar hospital and transported under police escort to Kuala Lumpur International Airport.

The teenager's heartbroken parents Sebastien and Meabh were not present.

But the devastated family said they will be bringing Nora’s body home "where she will finally be laid to rest, close to her loving families in France and Ireland".
Nora Quoirin's body is brought home to be close to family

 

[MsBetsy]

It can be though or more likely moderate.
Having had experience of all spectrum's of LD, It would seem impossible that Nora comes under the severe level IMO . Severe in the UK would mean virtually incapable of any thing and/or severe behavioral issues.

Yes, I'm sure it's different there.

In the US she would not have been classified LD at all. Learning Disabilities include Dyslexia, Dyscalculia, Language Disorders, ADHD, etc.

Her inability to understand anything conceptual would be considered an aspect of the holoprosencephaly, as well as her problems with coordination, balance and mobility.

Since it specifically affects the brain, it would not fall under the category of a learning disability, as they are very rarely so severe that one cannot function independently. Imo

 

[Fidobell]

Could Nora not just have left by the unlocked door ? Perhaps the open window just is coincidental .
Also could Nora not have covered the distance to her final resting place over a number of days , resting / sleeping / walking .

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Yesterday, Nora's Belfast-born mum Meabh and dad Sebastien announced they would be offering a €10,000 reward for any information leading to the safe return of their daughter which was donated by an anonymous Belfast business.

It has now been revealed that other Irish businesses have also offered the distraught family financial aid - with one business owner saying they'll match the reward money in a bid to find Nora.

Journalist Jackie Fox who is currently in Malaysia told RTE Radio One: "An online fund for the family has now raised over €100,000 while that €10,000 reward for information was donated by an anonymous Belfast-based business.

"I know of another Irish business person who has offered to match that figure with another leading business figure in the Irish community coming forward looking to help with financial means."
Irish donor offers to match €10k reward to find Nora as total fund hits 100k

 

[MsBetsy]

Right. But why not just lay it out bare right from the start? She didn’t have mild learning disabilities, so why was it put out that way. I would say they were quite severe, based on the later explanation. Did the parents tell the police all of the struggles she had immediately, or was it several days later too? I guess I feel like there shouldn’t have been a need to go back and clarify later.

I'm sorry, I don't know how else to help you understand. I have tried to explain this many times.
Her grandfather was the one who said he would describe her as having mild disabilities.

People who don't understand the specific classifications don't always use the right terminology.

A long time ago, when I first started working with Special Needs students, my boyfriend's grandmother asked me if my students were "morons." (She later became my grandmother in law)
Many years ago this was the term for people with disabilities.
This was in the middle of a big family dinner so it was one of those moments you never forget.

But she just did not know the proper terminology, so I patiently explained what the proper terms were. (although my husband and I laughed about it for years later)

So it could be that the extended family just doesn't know the proper terms to describe her disabilities.
It's just not really significant. Imo

 

[MsMiniSleuth]

From what I’ve seen, it’s only the paternal grandfather who’s commented but I could be wrong .

And the uncle, Pacome Quoirin.
How could they have missed her? Nora Quoirin's grandfather says 'dark areas' surround her death | Daily Mail Online

 

[Liming]

Yes, I'm sure it's different there.

In the US she would not have been classified LD at all. Learning Disabilities include Dyslexia, Dyscalculia, Language Disorders, ADHD, etc.

Her inability to understand anything conceptual would be considered an aspect of the holoprosencephaly, as well as her problems with coordination, balance and mobility.

Since it specifically affects the brain, it would not fall under the category of a learning disability, as they are very rarely so severe that one cannot function independently. Imo

Just so you know, in the Uk we would call dyscalculia, dyslexia etc Specific learning difficulties.

Yes, I'm sure it's different there.

In the US she would not have been classified LD at all. Learning Disabilities include Dyslexia, Dyscalculia, Language Disorders, ADHD, etc.

Her inability to understand anything conceptual would be considered an aspect of the holoprosencephaly, as well as her problems with coordination, balance and mobility.

Since it specifically affects the brain, it would not fall under the category of a learning disability, as they are very rarely so severe that one cannot function independently. Imo

Just so you know, in the UK we would call dyscalculia, dyslexia etc Specific learning difficulties.

Yes, I'm sure it's different there.

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Her inability to understand anything conceptual would be considered an aspect of the holoprosencephaly, as well as her problems with coordination, balance and mobility.

Since it specifically affects the brain, it would not fall under the category of a learning disability, as they are very rarely so severe that one cannot function independently. Imo

Just so you know, in the UK we would call dyscalculia, dyslexia etc Specific learning difficulties or SLD.