OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #50

[Merrygirl]

Interesting question, yes, why did Angela hide her current address in July 2018? She lied to the court (when her father's estate went to probate during that month) saying that she still lived in Kenai Alaska when in fact she had been living in her dad's South Webster Ohio house since May. And why give up her rights to be the executor of her dad's estate, turning the responsibility over to her mom? Was she avoiding law enforcement? Something was going on with her.

52 Havener Lane, Webster Ohio
Angela's house where she lived and was arrested.

The Wagner's were seen on a regular basis in South Webster Ohio from around May 2018 until their arrests in November 2018. Point 3 miles (one minute) down the road from Angela's South Webster house is the Sunoco gas station and on November 18, 2018, the owner of the Sunoco station said the Wagner's had been coming into her store for the past 6 months which goes back to May 2018.

November 18, 2018; Pirul Patel points out the 4 Wagner's after their arrests
in her South Webster Sunoco gas station store.
https://www.daytondailynews.com/rf/image_large/Pub/p9/DaytonDailyNews/2018/11/18/Images/Pike Murder Suspects 011.JPG

".....The Wagners settled in South Webster, population 860, about six months ago, said Pirul Patel, the owner of the local Sunoco station. For all appearances, their life was normal. Regularly, Patel said, they came to her store for gasoline, Subway sandwiches, and cigarettes.

When she learned about the arrests from Wednesday morning’s local newspaper, Patel said she was shocked.

“That scared me because I see them all the time,” she said. “I can’t believe that would happen.”

You could be on to something, that Angela was avoiding the possibility of being served a GJ subpoena because July 2018 is is the exact month that Fred was called to testify before the GJ and of course it's possible she was afraid of being arrested.

I believe the Wagner's were in Montana and Missouri in the time frame of mid-May to mid-June 2017 when they were "missing" and Angela said they were on vacation.
Yes it's possible they were contemplating "hiding out" anonymously in one of those states.

Pike County investigation: 8 deaths and multiple arrests were tied to one key factor — child custody

...My 2 Cents....

In my opinion AW passed on the responsibility to RN because it can be quite complicated, especially if there is no will. Also, any $ would make the Wags ineligible for the disability $. It would be better to let RN do it then what’s left, if any, could be given under the table. Moo.

 

[Merrygirl]

There was a probate court site for AW's father's estate and that site showed the specific signed documents by AW etc.

I can't find that site now but my guess is that Scioto County has updated their website and those documents/details are now missing.

I think AW was in Ohio signing documents for her father's estate in July 2018.

I am not a probate person but it appeared to me that she was trying to settle his estate and it would benefit her financially. The State of Ohio did not file a claim against the estate in mid-July when this started so it's possible that she didn't realize that the state would seek repayment for Medicaid.

This is only my theory and my recollection of the previous court site. moo. jmo.

IMO she knew the State would take it because her dad signed papers acknowledging estate recovery before he could receive services.

 

[Cool Cats]

Trust me, they new where she lived as there were surveillance cameras pointed right at the house. I drove by many times and saw them. Moo

If you saw the cameras---right out there pointing at the house in broad daylight--- they were not from BCI. BCI would do surveillance in such a way that the whole world driving by is not going to notice all the cameras. I do not believe that the Ohio BCI is anything like the KC's. ( The Keystone Cops.)

The Keystone Cops. To be a “Keystone Cop” is an expression still regularly applied to an individual or a group that appears extremely incompetent while exhibiting an uncommon amount of energy in the pursuit of failure....

OPINION....2 CENTS ONLY........

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Trust me, they new where she lived as there were surveillance cameras pointed right at the house. I drove by many times and saw them. Moo

Maybe the LE was putting pressure on her by letting people see their cameras, JMO

 

[Merrygirl]

If you saw the cameras---right out there pointing at the house in broad daylight--- they were not from BCI. BCI would do surveillance in such a way that the whole world driving by is not going to notice all the cameras. I do not believe that the Ohio BCI is anything like the KC's. ( The Keystone Cops.)

The Keystone Cops. To be a “Keystone Cop” is an expression still regularly applied to an individual or a group that appears extremely incompetent while exhibiting an uncommon amount of energy in the pursuit of failure....

OPINION....2 CENTS ONLY........

I believe is was the SCSD and they came down right after they were arrested. They aren’t there anymore.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Wagner family matriarch claims innocence as case is dismissed

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Pike County massacre: Edward 'Jake' Wagner pleads not guilty to 23 counts
Good to refresh the mind!
JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

I believe is was the SCSD and they came down right after they were arrested. They aren’t there anymore.

Sctioto County Sheriff's Department. South Webster is in that county. Ok. That makes sense.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Custody dispute played role in slaying of 8 Ohio family members

 

[Johnny B Bad]

https://sciotocountycpcourt.org/eservices/search.page.3?x=-I1Qviv6bKKTCZ6vj9WpXQ

 

[OhioBlues]

I believe is was the SCSD and they came down right after they were arrested. They aren’t there anymore.

Merrygirl, Are the cars/trucks etc all gone now too?

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Merrygirl, Are the cars/trucks etc all gone now too?

I think the family sold them to pay toward the funeral. JMO

 

[OhioBlues]

I believe is was the SCSD and they came down right after they were arrested. They aren’t there anymore.

Merrygirl, Have you noticed any items remaining on the property?

Merrygirl, Thank you!

 

[Cool Cats]

Merrygirl, Have you noticed any items remaining on the property?

Merrygirl, Thank you!

I'm curious about that too.

52 Havener Ln, South Webster, OH 45682

• About This Home
  52 Havener Ln is a house in South Webster, OH 45682. This 1,100 square foot house sits on a 0.6 acre lot and features 3 bedrooms and 1 bathroom. This property was built in 1984. The closest grocery store is Country Store Foods. Nearby restaurants include Jodie's Restaurant, The Wright Place Family Restaurant and SUBWAY® Restaurants. This address can also be written as 52 Havener Lane, South Webster, Ohio 45682.
• 
  
• Year Built 1984
• Status Not For Sale
  County Scioto
• 
  Source:
  Public Records
  Redfin last checked:
  over 7 days ago
  Redfin has the best data. Why?

 

[Cool Cats]

Law enforcement at Angie's South Webster house....

The Bureau of Criminal Investigation and Identification was at a house in South Webster last summer. It is believed to be connected to at least one suspect who was arrested Tuesday in the Rhoden murder investigation.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Law enforcement at Angie's South Webster house....

The Bureau of Criminal Investigation and Identification was at a house in South Webster last summer. It is believed to be connected to at least one suspect who was arrested Tuesday in the Rhoden murder investigation.

Remember what we were talking about on car thefts, when it all comes out it will all be tied together, JMO

 

[StrangeOne]

When are the next court days?

 

[Cool Cats]

When are the next court days?

STATE OF OHIO -vs- NEWCOMB, RITA JO

07/25/2019 MOTION TO REVOKE BOND FILED
08/06/2019 MOTION TO EXPEDITE REVOCATION HEARING FILED

This Wednesday...Rita could go back to jail..

08/28/2019 01:00 PM MOTION HEARING DEERING, RANDY D

 

[Cool Cats]

Revoking Bail: Go to Jail & Lose Your Bond - Lawyers.com

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While out on bail, he tried to convince his bondsman to get a message to another defendant. The prosecutors successfully argued that O.J. Simpson violated the terms of his bail. The judge agreed and he was taken back into custody and returned to jail.

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[Niner]

When are the next court days?

besides Newcomb that was mentioned above - here are the rest:

*George Washington Wagner III – Motions hearing on 9/17.

*Angela Jo Wagner – Discovery hearing 9/16.

*George Washington Wagner IV - Next motions hearing on 9/20. Trial on 9/4 continued.

*Edward Jacob "Jake" Wagner - Last pretrial hearing on 9/17.