AMBER ALERT NJ - Dulce Mariá Alavez, 5, abducted at Bridgeton City Park, Cumberland County, 16 Sept 2019 #3

[imstilla.grandma]

“Look, we know there’s crime here. There’s gangs and fights. We kind of expect that,” Alicea said. “But stealing someone’s kid? That never happens here. Never happens.”

Two prisons also operate in Bridgeton: the county prison and South Woods State Prison, the largest in the state for male offenders. It’s one of the biggest providers for employment in the area.

“It’s difficult. We don’t want to be scared but it keeps us thinking. It’s in the back of our mind," Ilaria Tolentino said in Spanish. She noted her two children, 7 and 3 years old, often frequent the park where Dulce went missing. They haven’t gone back since.

“I just don’t feel like kids here are safe anymore,” she continued after pausing to wipe her tears. “Parents are aware of everyone’s kids, but this is just very disturbing.”

“I didn’t know her but it’s like, she’s all (of) our kid."
https://www.nj.com/cumberland/2019/09/close-knit-community-left-in-fear-as-mystery-surrounds-disappearance-of-5-year-old-dulce-maria-alavez.html

 

[imstilla.grandma]

This did not, technically, turn out to be false. Living in the area, I see these stories as they happen. I tend to only pay attention to hyper-local news and unbiased national and world news. So when a hyper-local news story pops up concerning a child (one of my special concerns as a mother and child behavior specialist) I pay attention.

The attempted abduction investigation in Howell, NJ was ultimately abandoned due to a lack of evidence. It was not determined to "be false". The implication that it was false was certainly there, but that was not what the police chief said. There was simply a lack of evidence, which, interestingly enough, is the same problem we have with this case (other than the blatantly missing child).

The Howell, NJ case had video surveillance evidence, witness testimony from the victim and several other witnesses, and a description of a vehicle to boot. But when the police couldn't find the actor OR the vehicle OR figure out how to reenact the crime during the time when the child wasn't on camera, they decided *THERE WASN'T ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO CONTINUE THE INVESTIGATION*.

I don't think it's necessarily a coincidence that a child of the same sex and same age (1 year difference) was kidnapped the very next day, just a few hours away. It should most certainly be taken into consideration. The victims are far too similar to dismiss. And the reason for discontinuing the investigation was NOT PROOF that it was a FALSE claim. It was LACK OF EVIDENCE. It's the same problem we have here.

Thank you. I apologize for my selection of words. I must be more careful. Words are powerful.

 

[jjenny]

I think the case is fading from the news because there is nothing new that has been released. When there is no new information, it makes it hard for case to stay on the news.

 

[MassGuy]

I think the case is fading from the news because there is nothing new that has been released. When there is no new information, it makes it hard for case to stay on the news.

Exactly. This happens in a lot of cases.

With no press conferences or new information being released, there just isn’t anything to report on.

No one wants to see a reporter standing there saying “no new developments.”

 

[Dreptate1103]

I may be crazy and really reaching here but hear me out . I was looking at all the pictures on google taken by park goers and I noticed some specific pics taken by a person that calls themselves “old man” they pictures all seem to be taken of the playground and they are all taken from a distance . Different angles . I cannot upload the photo but if you go google city park Bridgeton and look at their pics on the right you can scroll trough them . Like I said I’m really reaching but it stood out to me IMO
ETA: I bet the person who did this has studies the park well before doing this and considered his exits strategy carefully .

 

[Stunned]

Like they are going to trust this. Would you?

No

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

I think the case is fading from the news because there is nothing new that has been released. When there is no new information, it makes it hard for case to stay on the news.

I hope they get Mom back on to do a presser. It's really sad. She has been fully cooperative. She hasn't done anything wrong, except be niaeve,and trusting as many young people are,unaware of the true evil that lurks around. Ready to strike at the first chance.

 

[Beekarina]

Bundy was unique because he basically devolved into a spree killer at the end.

The walls were closing in, and his final victim was well outside his preferred victimology.

She was a child.

But that isn’t typical.

ETA: I don’t see any reason to believe this perpetrator is some sort of serial offender.

He could be, but there’s just nothing that points to that yet.

Right. I only mentioned Bundy as an example of being brazen. Some were suggesting a kidnapper would and wouldn't do certain things, but basically, they will do all kinds of things if the drive is there, and they think they can get away with it. For all we know, he might have still snatched Dulce had her mom been right there on the swings too.

I have no theory on Dulce's kidnapper, personally. All we know is his approximate height, possible outfit, vehicle, acne and Hispanic. I feel like the thread is all over the place because there are no new details, and some the info we have seen in the media seems a bit...off somehow, perhaps?

 

[MassGuy]

Right. I only mentioned Bundy as an example of being brazen. Some were suggesting a kidnapper would and wouldn't do certain things, but basically, they will do all kinds of things if the drive is there, and they think they can get away with it. For all we know, he might have still snatched Dulce had her mom been right there on the swings too.

I have no theory on Dulce's kidnapper, personally. All we know is his approximate height, possible outfit, vehicle, acne and Hispanic. I feel like the thread is all over the place because there are no new details, and some the info we have seen in the media seems a bit...off somehow, perhaps?

Ha! “Off somehow,” sums it up perfectly.

In many cases it’s easy to rule out certain theories and possibilities. Just about everything is on the table here.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“Principals, counselors and teachers are receiving questions, mostly about children wanting to know what they could do to help,” according to Victor Gilson, Bridgeton’s interim superintendent of schools. “They want to do things like posters and that kind of thing.

“We have made sure that we have counselors available for any children who need it, particularly at Buckshutem Road School,” Gilson said Wednesday. “No children are visibly showing signs of being upset or requesting to see counselors or speak to anybody, and I think that’s fortunate.”
Amber Alert for Dulce Alavez: Search for abducted 5-year-old N.J. girl enters 4th day, cops say

 

[tazikigirl]

Thank you. I apologize for my selection of words. I must be more careful. Words are powerful.

Many, many people here were stating it was false. I didn't mean to pick on you (who I ADORE, really). I only meant to clarify the story as it is important everyone here understands what really happened. Even parents living in NJ who may have a false sense of security over the way that story played out.

Lack of evidence led to the end of the investigation. NOT THE SAME AS "IT DIDN'T HAPPEN". Everyone needs to be really clear on that story. There is absolutely NO EVIDENCE that it DIDN'T HAPPEN. None.

(much love to imstilla.grandma)

 

[jjenny]

Regarding child molesters, Joseph Duncan is the predator who had kidnapped both a boy and a girl, and killed people of both genders. So some child molesters have a specific type but certainly not all.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Suspect got to the park somehow unless he’s really locally close. If not local, he must have had to get out of the park in perhaps reverse direction.

*From Rt.55 South
1. Take exit 32A-B to merge onto W Landis Ave/NJ-56 toward Rosenhayn About 13 mins go 7.9 mi
3. Slight left at NJ-77/N Pearl St About 2 mins go 1.2 mi total 16.1 mi
4. Turn right at Bridgeton Ave About 1 min go 0.4 mi total 16.4 mi
5. Turn right at Laurel St N/Old Deerfield Pike go 312 ft total 16.5 mi
6. Take the 1st left onto Parkview Heights About 1 min go 0.3 mi total 16.8 mi
7. Take the 2nd left onto Park Dr About 2 mins go 0.8 mi total 17.6 mi
8. Turn left at N West Avenue About 1 min

*From Rt.49 East
1.Head southeast on NJ-49/Quinton Marlboro Rd/Rte-49 follow NJ-49 6.5 mi
2. Turn left onto N West Avenue

*From Delaware Memorial Bridge
1. Head southeast on I-295 N Partial toll road Entering New Jersey About 2 mins go 1.3 mi total 1.3 mi
2. Slight left at US-40 E (signs for US-40/ATLANTIC CITY/NJ Turnpike) About 1 min go 0.9 mi total 2.2 mi
3. Take the US-40 exit toward ATLANTIC CITY go 0.2 mi total 2.4 mi
4. Slight left at Rte-40/US-40 go 328 ft total 2.5 mi
5. Continue straight to stay on Rte-40/US-40 (signs for US-40/ATLANTIC CITY) About 9 mins go 8.1 mi total 10.6 mi
6. Turn left at Harding Hwy/NJ-45/Rte-45/US-40 Continue to follow Harding Hwy/US-40 About 9 mins go 6.5 mi total 17.0 mi
7. At the traffic circle, take the 2nd exit onto NJ-77 About 21 mins go 12.6 mi total 29.7 mi
8. Turn right at Bridgeton Ave About 1 min go 0.4 mi total 30.0 mi
9. Turn right at Laurel St N/Old Deerfield Pike go 312 ft total 30.1 mi
10. Take the 1st left onto Parkview Heights About 1 min go 0.3 mi total 30.4 mi
11. Take the 2nd left onto Park Dr About 2 mins go 0.8 mi total 31.2 mi
12. Turn left at N West Avenue About 1 min
Directions - Bridgeton City Park

 

[tazikigirl]

Regarding child molesters, Joseph Duncan is the predator who had kidnapped both a boy and a girl, and killed people of both genders. So some child molesters have a specific type but certainly not all.

That is still very rare. Most molesters have a type and a preference. Just like all people have a type and a preference, when it comes to sexual attraction. While there are some that will sexually gratify themselves with literally any breathing thing, that's rare.

While researching this, I was EXTREMELY upset to find that pedophilia, was a preference, has been removed from the DSM-IV as a mental disorder. WTF is wrong this version? There are so many things wrong with the DSM-IV but now this??? I'm horrified. So long as a person isn't acting on their thoughts, it's just a preference, like homosexuality or pansexuality? WHAAAAAT?!?!?!

This is truly disturbing.

The Neurobiology and Psychology of Pedophilia: Recent Advances and Challenges

 

[jjenny]

That is still very rare. Most molesters have a type and a preference. Just like all people have a type and a preference, when it comes to sexual attraction. While there are some that will sexually gratify themselves with literally any breathing thing, that's rare.

While researching this, I was EXTREMELY upset to find that pedophilia, was a preference, has been removed from the DSM-IV as a mental disorder. WTF is wrong this version? There are so many things wrong with the DSM-IV but now this??? I'm horrified. So long as a person isn't acting on their thoughts, it's just a preference, like homosexuality or pansexuality? WHAAAAAT?!?!?!

This is truly disturbing.

The Neurobiology and Psychology of Pedophilia: Recent Advances and Challenges

Well, the kidnappings of children by strangers are rare in itself. So unless there is more information, nothing can be ruled out.

 

[Angleterre]

Angleterre, that has happened to me more than a few times. I remind myself this place is a wonderful free resource with really great Moderators, and as such I deal with whatever internet and electronic bugs it may have.

I know and I’m not directing my comment personally as it is a great site with great people and mods but I was just so very frustrated that’s I listed approx 20 actions and investigative leads to follow on and it took me so much time so to lose it was totally frustrating. It’s been one of those days today but thats nothing compared to what this family are going thro so I will admonish myself and have some perspective!

 

[imstilla.grandma]

If stranger triggered by opportunity - it’s gonna be rough to seek him out. If stranger preplanned - the City Park site shows prime times children visit on Mondays are from 4:00 to 6:00.
bridgeton city park map trails - Google Search

 

[imstilla.grandma]

I know and I’m not directing my comment personally as it is a great site with great people and mods but I was just so very frustrated that’s I listed approx 20 actions and investigative leads to follow on and it took me so much time so to lose it was totally frustrating. It’s been one of those days today but thats nothing compared to what this family are going thro so I will admonish myself and have some perspective!

I remember a similar occurrence happened to me. I spent so much time researching and documenting. When I lost it, I wanted to cry. So I empathize. From that point forward - if I know it’s gonna be time consuming - I draft my post in Notes. Then copy it over. If it somehow gets lost in cyberspace, I can go back to my notes and copy/paste again.

 

[Angleterre]

I remember a similar occurrence happened to me. I spent so much time researching and documenting. When I lost it, I wanted to cry. So I empathize. From that point forward - if I know it’s gonna be time consuming - I draft my post in Notes. Then copy it over. If it somehow gets lost in cyberspace, I can go back to my notes and copy/paste again.

Thank you for empathising with me
I don’t want to go OT but any chance you can pm me how to do that as I am rubbish with all this technology x

 

[Subiechik21]

I'm new to this website, although I have been here several times during different cases. I also find it sad that Dulce has been missing for 2 weeks and her story is fading, probably because she is Hispanic and not white. I think because her mother faced so much backlash, instead of speaking out she is isolating herself, and that is helping the case disappear. Mollie Tibbets was in the media every single day until she was found, but a lot of that had to do with the people who loved her loudly advocating for her through all channels, via news and social media.

I don't think that Dulce was taken by someone not local. I think the person knew the park and saw an opportunity or was perhaps following them or had seen them before. The mother is 19 years old. She is pregnant with her 3rd child. She is very young and despite her having 3 kids, is likely immature in many ways.

I found pictures of someone, a hispanic male, who frequents that park, who owns bright orange sneakers, and drives a red vehicle, but it's not a van..I emailed that information to the police chief in Bridgeton yesterday. Bright orange shoes, to me, are not that common. I also found an old picture, maybe 3 years old, of his children at that park, and there's a little girl sitting with them who looks a lot like Dulce, age 3. She has very specific eyes. This is all speculation on my part, and this is all my own opinion. There were other details about this person that seemed off, but he works a job that would have been off at that time.

I think that someone knows something and they are too afraid to come forward for fear of immigration status, given what is currently going on in this country. That fear is real and warranted and I feel is hindering the progress in this case.

Awesome work! I am glad that you have joined & put your sleuthing skills to work in such a positive way. I hope that they follow up on your tip & hopefully they will find Dulce soon.