Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #120

[Tricia]

Welcome back to the Delphi Murders discussion thread.

On the afternoon of Feb. 13th, 2017, best friends Abigail Williams and Liberty German were dropped off at a bridge in the town of Delphi. On Feb 14th their bodies were discovered around noon about 50 feet from the north bank of Deer Creek which is about 0.5 miles from the bridge.
The Sheriff's office gave a press conference on 4/22/19 and we have some solid information. Please take a look below

HERE IS THE NEW SKETCH FROM THE PRESS CONFERENCE ON 4/22/19

HERE IS THE NEW AUDIO. IT'S-A BIT LONGER THAN THE FIRST AUDIO:
https://www.in.gov/isp/files/Delphi_Audio_Edited_2019x3.wav

Here is the old audio in a loop:
http://www.in.gov/isp/files/Delphi_male_voice_loop.mp3

LATEST PRESS CONFERENCE 4/22/19

FOR MORE CLICK HERE FOR THE CARROL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FACEBOOK PAGE.

Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at(800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff's Department at (765) 564-2413.

Information can also be emailed to Abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com

video of press conference from 2017 02/22/17: https://www.facebook.com/NewsCenter1...4728963476130/

Let's do this. Let's commit to getting this killer's picture and voice out there any possible way we can.

Pictures of Abby and Libby

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DO NOT post photos of random individuals (including persons featured in MSM articles about other area crimes) to compare to the images of unidentified suspect on the bridge.​

PLEASE DO NOT POST PICTURES OF SEX OFFENDERS!

Do not sleuth family, PERIOD. This includes previous public records which have nothing to do with this case. They are victims here. Plain and simple.

4) If you feel you have a tip, by all means, phone it in. Do NOT discuss your tip here. Contact the authorities and give them time to follow your lead.

 

[Charlot123]

I wonder if the DNA may be hard to trace due to an adoption or unknown actual father. As in, BG grew up thinking his 'father' was his real father but the reality is that another man impregnated his mother. Just a random thought.

I wonder if the DNA may be hard to trace due to an adoption or unknown actual father. As in, BG grew up thinking his 'father' was his real father but the reality is that another man impregnated his mother. Just a random thought.

But DNA does not lie. Actually an unknown actual father might be the easier case - his kids with another woman might have no idea about their older sibling and hence have no reason to hide their genomes.

And as to adoption, we have so many “search angels” trained to find bio relatives. I have hope in these situations.

it is more difficult if the real dad is the perp’s neighbor. Then you might very well be suspecting a wrong family.

 

[BNA]

I was thinking of it too. How organized should one be to prepare it all - hang antlers in advance, only to replace them with something special later?

Campers hang food from trees as a precaution against bears. It is a chore to hang the ropes sometimes. Perhaps, in a spot frequently used by campers, they might leave the ropes in the trees.

 

[Charlot123]

^^^^THIS

If LE have DNA, it could still be very difficult to find this perp. I tend to shy away from speculation about DNA in this case, but the point has to be made here that if, indeed, they have a DNA profile of some sort, the chances of it leading to BG could be slim for any number of reasons.

Like others here have noted upthread, finding genealogical links going back "to the old country" could be difficult. It often times depends upon the country and their records, say going back to the mid-1800's and earlier, and in my own research it can be difficult coming up with names, especially in certain cultures. In my own background, a wife's maiden name might be only in church records, and won't even be in a family Bible or something similar.

Quite frankly a lot of people didn't much care about that stuff "back in the day", and ended up in the U.S., Mexico, Canada, Australia, and any number of other countries without caring much about the past.

GSK was linked through ancestors who were living roughly in the mid-1800's, a third cousin if memory serves. Imagine if the clock were moved back to 1800 or earlier through a much more distant cousin, and how difficult that would be and how much more time it would take. Like others have noted, adoption and other factors could complicate such a task. Census and other records may not be a 100% trustworthy means of tracing some ancestry information.

My paternal grandfather and his three siblings were split up after the flu pandemic around 100 years ago. Two were adopted and no doubt the records were sealed in NY, although he kept in touch with those two siblings. Now imagine I submit my DNA to 23andme or another site, and LE link it to a murder investigation through some distant cousin of mine.

Their grandmother or gr. grandmother or great aunt or whatever is a great aunt of mine but was adopted in 1920, and the records are sealed. Throw in a last name change, a marriage, and other factors, and one can see where this could get complicated.

Software can only do so much, the records I've used are not technically searchable online, say through databases. Some of what I found is online, but the scrolling took many hours and the records were from old newspaper clippings about births, marriages, and obits. This is where the forensic genealogy experts come in to play in these cases, technology alone can not solve these cases. Imagine a group of researchers and detectives requesting information from, say, county courthouses across the U.S., walking through cemeteries, etc.

JMO

If you looked at the 23@me map, they can predict what county your relatives came from. I hope they do better job with Britain/Germany than with my Russian/Ukrainian relatives, lol, but I suspect, they have a very good database on Western Europe.

I think that if the person is of your regular Anglo-German/Dutch/Irish stock, it is very possible to find relatives. Or at least it was easy through Gedmatch in 2017. Now, if DC sat on the DNAs they had till Gedmatch closed its base for LÊ, the situation might be very different now.

Churches in Europe? Great, my dad’s distant Finnish matches can check the church records dating back 500 years ago.

(Try, however, finding relatives in the country where churches were burned and archives mishandled, where relatives would abandon the children of an arrested brother, where people were sent to Siberia in 72 hours, where two wars and a revolution decimated the population. And even in such a situation there are amazing searchers who trace their lines up to 1600es.)

No, if the guy is of the regular US stock, given the baby boom and relative stability of the life here, close relatives should be found. It is much worse if the person is the first generation immigrant from the part of the world that is not much into genealogy.

 

[Charlot123]

The only organization I can think of with a white scarf as part of a uniform is the US Navy. Worn with bridge coats or peacoats. But I usually keep some items in my car like lined leather gloves, hoodie, watch cap AND a white scarf.

What about the cook? The chef?
They have white neckerchiefs. Either the guy is into cooking (restaurant or even Indiana Packers), or his close relative is.

 

[Tricia]

Hi Everyone,
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There is a new podcast by Mike Morford called SCENE OF THE CRIME
Season 1 deals with the Delphi Murders.
While this thread remains closed I recommend you listen to this show. Mike is a great guy and he has always been someone I have enjoyed reading his posts and his ideas on cases.

This thread will remain closed for at least the next week.

Listen to Scene of the Crime and check back to see if this thread is re-opened.

 

[Tricia]

WARNING-WARNING-WARNING-WARNING

The last thread went down a hole, made it to another universe far away, then found an endless rabbit hole and was going even deeper down the hole until the thread was stopped.

To say the last thread went off track doesn't begin to describe what happened.

Do not NAME ANYONE AS A SUSPECT. I don't care if you use their initials.
Do not DISCUSS CRAZY RELIGIOUS SYMBOLISM. How these even was introduced is a mystery.

STICK TO WHAT WE KNOW.

We cannot sit on a thread and monitor the discussion day in and day out. We rely on alerts. Even then a thread can get crazy out of hand because we do not have enough volunteers to keep up so that is why we rely on our members to mind our rules and don't post a bunch of crazy crap that makes all of us look like we should be in straight jackets.

The police, in this case, are sick of the Internet because of all the crazies out there starting rumors. At Websleuths we want to stay above the type of people who are causing the problems and show by example that we are different. Websleuths is a place we want the police to come to and read and hopefully get something helpful.

I can assure you if anyone in law enforcement read the last thread they are done with Websleuths.

So please stick to the facts, offer your theories but make sure your theory is in line with reality.

Thank you,
Tricia

 

[BigTexas]

Right on, Tricia. Does anyone know if LE will give us an update anytime soon? I am happy to see that the Delphi thread is back.

 

[PezCandy]

Right on, Tricia. Does anyone know if LE will give us an update anytime soon? I am happy to see that the Delphi thread is back.

I have been wondering the same thing as there have been no updates at all with msm (that I can find), I’m hoping that this will be solved soon, this has been such a mysterious case. Hoping that this year Abby & Libby will get justice!

 

[watcher9]

Thank you for opening up this case thread.
May tomorrow be the day that everything finally comes together for Abby and Liberty.

 

[bradfordsleuth]

Thank you for opening this thread prior to the 3 year anniversary and prior to the Down the Hill podcast on the 5th.

Thread #120...may it be the one that becomes titled with 'ARREST'.

JMO

 

[Mzfitted]

I agree this case it went on too long .

 

[JnRyan]

Good to be back here! We are less than 2 weeks from the 3 year mark, so maybe there will be an update. Not just another "Today is the day" press conference - although those do keep the case out in front of the public - but something with substance.

 

[Brubon]

Hey, BSleuth.
Tell them about John Walsh, please.

 

[tresir2012]

ISP information channel. This one was recently released. ( 1-28-2019 )

 

[crhedBngr]

Thinking of Abby and Libby and their Families and Friends . . . may Justice Prevail this year!

 

[Torch Carrier]

I'm thinking no 3yr PC as I expect an arrest before then! Okay. Call me an Optimist.
But I mean it! Never forget these girls.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

A few questions:

1) Do you think LE will have a 3 year press conference even if they have no new information to share? My thought is that they will not since they were roundly criticized for that awful one on the anniversary last year.
2) Do you think there is any chance that LE will release any new information on the third year anniversary? My opinion is they certainly need to release more information but they won’t. My fear is that if they don’t release any new info on 2/13 then the case slides into cold case status. The public will stop paying attention. The same public they claim they need help from.
What do y’all think?

 

[JDough]

Thank you, thank you, thank you for reopening the thread!!!!! It's so good to be back with my sleuthing buddies!

And LE- if you are reading here, we look forward to celebrating with you and the families when an arrest is announced. Praying you will get that one tip you need.

#todaystheday

 

[JnRyan]

A few questions:

1) Do you think LE will have a 3 year press conference even if they have no new information to share? My thought is that they will not since they were roundly criticized for that awful one on the anniversary last year.
2) Do you think there is any chance that LE will release any new information on the third year anniversary? My opinion is they certainly need to release more information but they won’t. My fear is that if they don’t release any new info on 2/13 then the case slides into cold case status. The public will stop paying attention. The same public they claim they need help from.
What do y’all think?

Normally I don't believe we would see a 3 year PC in most murder cases, but whatever I think of LE's progress they are on a roll here on this case. I believe they will have one and it will be along the same lines as last year's February PC. And no, I don't believe they will release much more info. Outside of positively confirming they have DNA or the cause of death I don't what else they could release. And those two bits of info probably need to be retained.