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I think that white truck was LE. It moved when the rest of them start moving.
That podcast is fascinating! There is more information (possibly inadvertently) released in that podcast than there has been in a long long time. Odd crime scene... lots of physical evidence there... at least 2 or 3 signatures? There is no reason all this info (and more) couldn't have been officially released from the get-go. If I have to listen to Doug Carter's nonsense much more I'm going to have to quit following this case.After listening to part 5 - "Signature" - of the HLN podcast and with Tricia giving us permission to discuss it (Thank you!) , we can go back to the drawing board. Quite some more info in the podcast!
Now that we know about 'signatures' why did LE go out there? If the CO crimes did not have the same signatures, maybe they were just trying to cover all the bases?Going by the case in Colorado that had similarities, I believe they must have shared some of the specifics eg. weapon, how the bodies were left or hidden, time of day of attack, near a creek and trail system etc.
Serial killer. Also killed the girls from Iowa. May have killed in between these two cases a thousand miles away. Once he’s identified it’ll be someone you’ve never heard of.
It is a very interesting podcast. After listening to the segment it did give me a feeling that we are dealing with a serial killer and probably there is some issue with the DNA evidence found at the crime scene. The odd crime scene comment is what is interesting. What could be so odd and stand out in a crime scene?That podcast is fascinating! There is more information (possibly inadvertently) released in that podcast than there has been in a long long time. Odd crime scene... lots of physical evidence there... at least 2 or 3 signatures? There is no reason all this info (and more) couldn't have been officially released from the get-go. If I have to listen to Doug Carter's nonsense much more I'm going to have to quit following this case.
If you believe BG also killed Lyric and Lizzie: Do you think that he is deliberately seeking out pairs of victims? Do you think Lyric and Lizzie were his first murder victims? Their younger age would have made them easier victims than Abby and Libby. Also, Lyric and Lizzie were left in a location where they wouldn't be found easily; he didn't make the same effort with Abby and Libby. Was that just because they were bigger and heavier, or was it because he was more complacent by the time he killed Abby and Libby?@Falcon500 your post got me thinking of the SK possibility seriously for the first time in two years. After today’s DTH podcast, I think you are 100% correct. You have a great presence of mind. Thank you.
I am now currently working on a theory that BG has to be a either an Andersons Inc employee or a trucker that delivered to both Andersons Inc and Indiana packers. He knew how to get in and out of the area so well. And I think he delivered to Evansdale Iowa too and is connected to those murders too. Could you please give me your opinion on something? Is it possible that LE is already working on the same theory? Are they looking at all the employees of Anderson Inc or trucking company employees that delivered there in the past 10 years? I’m still convinced that BG knew the area from before the Hoosier Highway construction.
@Ozoner Not sure if you wanted my opinion or Falcon’s. But if you are asking me: Yes, I think pairs is BG’s goal if he can find them. I’m not sure if Lyric and Lizzie were his first murders but I do think he will have a history of escalation, for example: he will have a history of SA with children. I spent too much time researching local RSO’s. SK was just just too out of my realm of possibility considering the location. But SK seems possible now. I think he was hunting the bridge area that day and those poor girls fell into his trap. I think he was able to abduct Lizzie and Lyric with a ruse and that is why he was able to move them to a different location than the abduction area. He may have wanted to do the same to Abby and Libby (abduction, assault, move to different location) but realized he wasn’t able to control them and that’s why they were murdered where they were found.If you believe BG also killed Lyric and Lizzie: Do you think that he is deliberately seeking out pairs of victims? Do you think Lyric and Lizzie were his first murder victims? Their younger age would have made them easier victims than Abby and Libby. Also, Lyric and Lizzie were left in a location where they wouldn't be found easily; he didn't make the same effort with Abby and Libby. Was that just because they were bigger and heavier, or was it because he was more complacent by the time he killed Abby and Libby?
Thanks. (I was seeking your opinion.)@Ozoner Not sure if you wanted my opinion or Falcon’s. But if you are asking me: Yes, I think pairs is BG’s goal if he can find them. I’m not sure if Lyric and Lizzie were his first murders but I do think he will have a history of escalation, for example: he will have a history of SA with children. I spent too much time researching local RSO’s. SK was just just too out of my realm of possibility considering the location. But SK seems possible now. I think he was hunting the bridge area that day and those poor girls fell into his trap. I think he was able to abduct Lizzie and Lyric with a ruse and that is why he was able to move them to a different location than the abduction area. He may have wanted to do the same to Abby and Libby (abduction, assault, move to different location) but realized he wasn’t able to control them and that’s why they were murdered where they were found.
Personal side note:
I don’t want to wait for another murder with similar signatures before BG is found, I want justice for Libby and Abby and Lyric and Lizzie Now! Let Today be the Day.
I also found it a little confusing on the cell phone tower records as he did not clarify. I think they were probably not able to get a search warrant on the records of whose phones were pinging from the tower. If LE can present a suspect or POI they may be able to get a search warrant to find if his particular phone was pinging off from that tower but to find out whose phone(s) was pinging off that particular tower is too many people to justify probable cause and the Judge might think it violates the privacy laws of the general public. MOO
Yes. But I bet whoever deposited the girls on RL’s land - if it happened - did not like RL too. He probably knew that RL was away, he created a major problem for RL. So either hated him, or hoped RL would sell his land after that.I mean, the answer is probably as simple as police needed to get his permission for a search of his property before they could step onto it, regardless of whether or not they organized the search for that evening or the next day. He was home, he was accessible. He might not have been the next morning when searching resumed. Occam's razor.
I have seen back and forth reports on whether or not his land was searched that night. I'm hesitant to speculate because there seems to be some debate. IMO, it only matters if it is TRUE that the girls were deposited there in the time frame between the first search of the property and the second. That's the key to determining one crucial aspect of the timeline.
Something religious, maybe? A couple of crossed twigs?I too wonder what the signatures could be? It must be something that was found or done to the victim that would be unusual to be found in a normal killing?
Here are some I was thinking of -
Type of rope or tied knot?
A symbol that he left on a tree or their bodies?
A cut off locket of hair?
An earring or ear cut off?
Certain type or color of zip ties?
A missing article of clothing (like a sock, shoelace or bra)?
A bullet in the forehead?
A "letter" carved on the body?
A certain object used to desecrate their bodies?
Maybe a red or black rose lying across their chests?
My question has often been at exactly what point did BG decide to murder the girls? He had to hike the entire trail, cross the bridge, and maybe even time before that, like if he saw them dropped off and had to park his car. At any point along the way, he could have turned around. But he didn't.
What the h*ll happened? Did he wake up that morning with an urge? Did he even know what he was going to do when L filmed him on the bridge? And if it wasn't planned, whatever he did at the cs had to have been done with things he had in his vehicle or on his person. I've always felt that way.
I also thought it sounded like Ives felt BG committed the crime and got out of there. I don't believe there was a lot of time spent with the bodies afterwards. He maybe posed them, I don't know. It doesn't feel like that kind of murder to me, but I'm open to the idea. But if he did, I don't think there was time for anything too elaborate. JMO
@Ozoner Not sure if you wanted my opinion or Falcon’s. But if you are asking me: Yes, I think pairs is BG’s goal if he can find them. I’m not sure if Lyric and Lizzie were his first murders but I do think he will have a history of escalation, for example: he will have a history of SA with children. I spent too much time researching local RSO’s. SK was just just too out of my realm of possibility considering the location. But SK seems possible now. I think he was hunting the bridge area that day and those poor girls fell into his trap. I think he was able to abduct Lizzie and Lyric with a ruse and that is why he was able to move them to a different location than the abduction area. He may have wanted to do the same to Abby and Libby (abduction, assault, move to different location) but realized he wasn’t able to control them and that’s why they were murdered where they were found.
Personal side note:
I don’t want to wait for another murder with similar signatures before BG is found, I want justice for Libby and Abby and Lyric and Lizzie Now! Let Today be the Day.
The similarities are remarkable.So scary! Is that Lyric and Elizabeth you are referring to? I will read up on that also. If I can bring myself to.
This renovation does not sit well with me. If the killer was behind bars, I might think differently but right now it just seems wrong.Feb 12 2020
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$260K renovation underway to turn Delphi's Monon High Bridge into pedestrian trail
"It's a beautiful natural area that has been an attraction for decades and decades, over a century," said Kleckner. "Once it is finished, it will be a destination."
''The western third of the Monon High Bridge, about 300 feet in total, will be decked and rails put up. Indiana Landmarks said the eventual goal is to finish the entire bridge with a path that connects back to Delphi on existing roads.
"Following February 2017, trail safety became a really important issue, said Kleckner. "Our motivation before was really preservation. Following those events, it became preservation and trail safety."
The Monon High Bridge, just east of Delphi
A new sketch, video and more audio of who police believe is the suspect in the Delphi double homicide was released on April 22, 2019. Provided by Indiana State Police
We know Libby's shoe was found somewhere around the wooded bottom along the creek because KG tells us that, but we don't know exactly which side. In my mind, the shoe was on the south side of the creek because it came off when Libby ran toward the creek and first hit mud. Her footprints headed into the creek, so searchers automatically looked across the creek to find where the footprints came out, which is when they found the bodies.