Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #50

[TMAN2014]

Inquiring mind would definitely like to know. 95% from bats, 5% ?
MOO

I heard wet markets. Then, I heard the animal they were trying to pin it on was 100s of miles away and not at the market.

So which is it? One person posts that the scientists know exactly how this started. So, why have they not announced it (or did they and I missed it?), with an independent group of scientists, where we are not taking one secret country's narrative? So, if no one has officially announced the source of this virus, then I have to take it that the scientists do NOT know yet.

Help me out! Where am I wrong here?

 

[TMAN2014]

So tresir, you are saying the probabilities are 95% from bats. And that fact is probably from the WHO?

OK

 

[tresir2012]

So tresir, you are saying the probabilities are 95% from bats. And that fact is probably from the WHO?

OK

I believe so but the 5% is what they cannot determine. MOO.

Here's a link. And a little bit from the report.

Mining coronavirus genomes for clues to the outbreak’s origins | Science | AAAS

When the first 2019-nCoV sequence became available, researchers placed it on a family tree of known coronaviruses—which are abundant and infect many species—and found that it was most closely related to relatives found in bats. A team led by Shi Zheng-Li, a coronavirus specialist at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, reported on 23 January on bioRxivthat 2019-nCoV’s sequence was 96.2% similar to a bat virus and had 79.5% similarity to the coronavirus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), a disease whose initial outbreak was also in China more than 15 years ago. But the SARS coronavirus has a similarly close relationship to bat viruses, and sequence data make a powerful case that it jumped into people from a coronavirus in civets that differed from human SARS viruses by as few as 10 nucleotides. That’s one reason why many scientists suspect there’s an “intermediary” host species—or several—between bats and 2019-nCoV.

 

[tresir2012]

I heard wet markets. Then, I heard the animal they were trying to pin it on was 100s of miles away and not at the market.

So which is it? One person posts that the scientists know exactly how this started. So, why have they not announced it (or did they and I missed it?), with an independent group of scientists, where we are not taking one secret country's narrative? So, if no one has officially announced the source of this virus, then I have to take it that the scientists do NOT know yet.

Help me out! Where am I wrong here?

I am pretty sure noone knows the 5%. They have wondered about the pangolin but nothing confirms the species that made it transfer from bats to humans.

You didn't quote a post when you used that quote so I don't know where it was from. I still have a few pages to catch up.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

This is just dangerous to even suggest. Why does nobody call him out when he says things like this?

Because even though he graciously acceded he's not a doctor he's "like, a person that has a good you-know-what."

Presumably that's enough for some people.

 

[katydid23]

What contact does your mom have with the staff on site? Does a nurse check on her every day?

Are her meals brought to her every day?

I have an aunt in a retirement community with her own apartment inside a large complex - feel she is safer there versus my cousin in a rehab care center where various aides/employees are in his room everyday.
JMO

Hope your moms are doing ok, I’m seeing more mental than physical issues.

It has changed considerably since they went on lockdown on Mar 11th.

Now the nurses call each resident in the morning and the evening. If they cannot reach them by phone, they will go to their door and knock. If no answer, they will enter the apartment.

But as long as Mom answers their calls, there is no face to face contact with nursing staff.

Her meals are dropped off at her front door, and she eats alone. Which makes me sad because she did love to eat dinner with her friends downstairs. And it gave her a reason to get dressed up and somewhere to go.

She does have a balcony and she sits to watch the birds and can see some of her neighbours on their balconies, so she does have a little bit of social contact that way.

We call her a lot and she seems OK most of the time, but kind of melancholy at some times, thinking she may never see her great grand babies again.

I agree with you on the mental effects. My mom seems confused sometimes now. She is 89 so that is logical. But she used to have a daily routine, got dressed, made herself breakfast, when to exercise class midmorning, came home and ate lunch. Then napped and got up and dressed to go down to dinner.

But now she is quarantined inside her apartment all by herself for 6 weeks already. I have noticed a slight drop in her short term memory and ability to track conversations.

We got an email that one of the staff members tested positive for CV. But so far none of the residents have been confirmed.

 

[TMAN2014]

Yeah, the pangolin was the animal that I saw on the news.

 

[tresir2012]

So, here’s a question for you guys, so why was the first known case of SARS Nov. 18 and the first known case of Covid Nov. 17? Anything about this time of year, November specifically, as related to zoonotic and other environmental factors, that may play a role in the emergence of this disease around this time? Is it just a coincidence?

ETA: I’m curious now what time of year MERS poked its head.

Temperatures, humidity? Ghangzhou cruise port opened in Nov 2019.

 

[tresir2012]

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[SA55]

I took a short break and just now catching up. This may have been previously posted, if so, I apologize for duplicate info. Interesting how Nashville has developed their own staged re-opening plan. I am not in the Nashville area, but about 4 hours east, however, their plan gives me a little reassurance of the thought at the local level of one city to re-opening. Using a local news station as reference, as I have used this news station previously in WS Forums, I hope this is allowed.

City leaders release 4-phase ‘roadmap’ for reopening Nashville

"The city of Nashville has created a four-phase plan to get Music City back to work and businesses reopened.

Nashville’s economy will open in four phases and the city will only move to the next phase if there is positive improvement and stability in the metrics for 14 days.

“The hard truth is that our city will be living with COVID-19 until there is an effective vaccine for the virus,” explained Mayor Cooper’s office in a release. “Living with COVID-19 means returning to work with COVID-19. We must proceed carefully to ensure we do not create a surge that will send us all back home.” "

 

[Inthedetails]

"ICU nurse who silently protested, faced insults at Phoenix reopening rally speaks out"


"Leander said she heard a stream of insults from rallygoers. People accused her of being an actor or, if a real nurse, one who performed dentistry or abortions...

They were not keeping apart from each other. Most did not wear masks.

She was surprised at the anger directed at her. She isn’t a politician. Her job is to take care of people....

When she saw the same four cars circling the Capitol, she figured she could call it a day."

ICU nurse who silently protested, faced insults at Phoenix reopening rally speaks out

 

[CSIDreamer]

If someone is dumb enough to drink fish tank cleaner, I'm sure there's someone dumb enough to inject disinfectants.

Well, people still mix bleach and ammonia. . .

 

[JaneEyre]

What happens if the person is left with lung damage or some other life-long condition? Would they pay the health care costs for the rest of your life? I doubt it.

I’m sure you sign away your rights to sue or get any compensation beyond whatever they initially agree to give you.

 

[SA55]

London:

“A new YouGov poll that surveyed respondents across the U.K. provides some ballast to a thus far unspoken, but manifestly important slice of all COVID-19 restaurant discourse right now: A restaurant that can reopen still can’t make money if diners are too cautious to go inside. 57 percent of people surveyed said they would be “uncomfortable” entering restaurants; that rises to 58 percent for coffee shops and 63 percent for pubs, with restaurants and pubs already earmarked as being last to “exit” lockdown measures. The poll covered people who identified themselves as “regularly” visiting restaurants, cafes, and pubs, and omitted respondents who said they “don’t go to this place anyway.”

These attitudes underscore an increasingly clear mantra for the industry: how restaurants reopen is the nub of any survival strategy, much more so than when. As Vaughn Tan writes in his examination of the existential and practical challenges restaurants face during the novel coronavirus pandemic: “Any existing restaurant business model is incompatible with this new social and economic reality.””

When Restaurants Can Reopen, Many Diners Won’t Be Ready to Go Back

Here in TN, Gov Lee is opening Restaurants first in his "plan" - I plan on staying home and watching cautiously to see what the numbers are a few weeks out. Personally, I think it will be a long time before I'm comfortable venturing out and into an environment where I see everyone being a potential carrier.

 

[Reasonable & Just]

I heard wet markets. Then, I heard the animal they were trying to pin it on was 100s of miles away and not at the market.

So which is it? One person posts that the scientists know exactly how this started. So, why have they not announced it (or did they and I missed it?), with an independent group of scientists, where we are not taking one secret country's narrative? So, if no one has officially announced the source of this virus, then I have to take it that the scientists do NOT know yet.

Help me out! Where am I wrong here?

You aren't wrong at all. It's not known, and won't be for a while. That's usually the case for emerging diseases. This one carries political baggage. As the research comes in, we'll know more. JMO.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

For some reason, that question always brings to mind Aesop’s fable “Who will bell the cat?” We’ve all seen what happens. ‘Nuf said.

The Mice once called a meeting to decide on a plan to free themselves of their enemy, the Cat. At least they wished to find some way of knowing when she was coming, so they might have time to run away. Indeed, something had to be done, for they lived in such constant fear of her claws that they hardly dared stir from their dens by night or day.

Many plans were discussed, but none of them was thought good enough. At last a very young Mouse got up and said:

"I have a plan that seems very simple, but I know it will be successful. All we have to do is to hang a bell about the Cat's neck. When we hear the bell ringing we will know immediately that our enemy is coming."

All the Mice were much surprised that they had not thought of such a plan before. But in the midst of the rejoicing over their good fortune, an old Mouse arose and said:

"I will say that the plan of the young Mouse is very good. But let me ask one question: Who will bell the Cat?"
Moral: It is one thing to say that something should be done, but quite a different matter to do it.

John Halsted's Blog - BELLING THE CAT – a Moral Tale from “Aesop’s Fables for Children” - May 02, 2012 05:58

I’ve seen Dr Brix and Dr Fauci diplomatically contradict the President. Some might feel they should either be less diplomatic and be fired from the task force or call him out and resign on principle. But they know the country needs them. So they stick to science and try to put out corrections. I think Dr Fauci does this better than Dr Brix, but they are both in a tough spot. You can see it on Dr Brix’ face today on a second camera while the President is talking about light and disinfecting. It’s very telling IMO. Scroll down to Daniel Lewis tweet in the WaPo article.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/24/disinfectant-injection-coronavirus-trump/

Trump Asks if Sunlight Can Kill Viruses. ‘Not as a Treatment,’ Birx Says.

MOO, JMO, etc.

There have been so many missed opportunities from the onset of this virus. The gravity of the outbreak-->epidemic--->pandemic had many warning signs.

If the current administration had taken the work of the previous seriously, there would have, at least, been a framework of knowledge and steps to be taken.

The playbook, devised in 2016 and finalized in 2017 both by top political appointees and career national security officials in the wake of the 2014-15 Ebola crisis, sought to lay the groundwork for a seamless and coordinated response to avoid confusion and conflicting messages from federal officials.
The Trump administration declined to use an Obama-era pandemic preparedness playbook, Politico reports

Because of this nightmare, I am sure any administration in the US will build up a much stronger plan for the future, but reviewing what was NOT done will have to be part of that study.

I think the American public will demand such an infrastructure. How to Bell the Cat, and Emperor's New Clothes simply cannot be tolerated. We must insist for action, and we do have the experts to help design it. We can certainly start with Bill Gates.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I have an observation. I know I'm easily irritated with people lately. I haven't said anything but it just bugs me when I see or hear people "talkin' bout Rona". I'm as tired as the next person of this, but I'm not sure a pandemic deserves a cutesy nickname. Agh. Thank you in advance for letting me vent that.

 

[Inthedetails]

I have an observation. I know I'm easily irritated with people lately. I haven't said anything but it just bugs me when I see or hear people "talkin' bout Rona". I'm as tired as the next person of this, but I'm not sure a pandemic deserves a cutesy nickname. Agh. Thank you in advance for letting me vent that.

Don't come to my house. That's what we call it.

But I hear ya....I'm completely sick and tired of jokes about TP.



jmo

 

[JaneEyre]

BBM

Well, that’s totally scary! I certainly hope no one is dumb enough to think it makes enough sense to try it.

JMO

Lysol felt the need to put out a statement, just in case.
Lysol manufacturer warns against internal use after Trump comments

 

[RANCH]

Please know how appreciated you are here. I get a lot out of what you share and you do know a lot. Just want to say Thank You.

It would be a sneaky way to get rid of the Social Security burden. I'm not going to any air shows or injecting any disinfectants. I'm going to try to spitefully keep living. Hope you all do, too.

No airshows. I did read about the Thunderbirds and the Blue Angels doing flyovers over some cities. Sounds like a good idea to me.

Navy Blue Angels, Air Force Thunderbirds slated to conduct flyovers as a thank-you to COVID-19 responders

Both demonstration teams are set to flyover cities including Washington, Baltimore, New York, Newark, Trenton, Philadelphia, Atlanta, Dallas, Houston and Austin, per the memo. Separately, the Blue Angels will conduct flyovers in at least 13 other cities while the Thunderbirds will fly over at least another eight cities independently.

Navy Blue Angels, Air Force Thunderbirds slated to conduct flyovers as a thank-you to COVID-19 responders