The Innocence Project and Darlie Routier
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I've always thought she was innocent. Diane Downs tried to kill her children because her boyfriend didn't want kids-same thing with Susan Smith. As far as I know Darlie and Darien were together and life seemed to be going well. They had 3 little boys. Why would she kill 2 and not the baby? And then there is the bloody sock that was found several houses down. How did that get there? I doubt seriously that she had time to drop it several houses down with her two sons fatally injured along with Darlie's own injuries. Have you seen the pictures of her injuries? They looked pretty bad. I am sure the scene was pretty hectic. One thing that would make me question my conclusion is if I found out that the boys had life insurance on them. Does anyone know that? I do believe that silly string birthday party that was videotaped hurt her in the eyes of the public.
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I've always thought she was innocent. Diane Downs tried to kill her children because her boyfriend didn't want kids-same thing with Susan Smith. As far as I know Darlie and Darien were together and life seemed to be going well. They had 3 little boys. Why would she kill 2 and not the baby? And then there is the bloody sock that was found several houses down. How did that get there? I doubt seriously that she had time to drop it several houses down with her two sons fatally injured along with Darlie's own injuries. Have you seen the pictures of her injuries? They looked pretty bad. I am sure the scene was pretty hectic. One thing that would make me question my conclusion is if I found out that the boys had life insurance on them. Does anyone know that? I do believe that silly string birthday party that was videotaped hurt her in the eyes of the public.
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Marking my spot. From what I recall, her injuries were superficial, at least in part to the boys'. She never attempted CPR although advised by the 911 operator and paramedics were witnesses to this. I have never understood the sock and how it happened to get down the street. I think I will go back down the rabbit hole again, its been a while. BTW, welcome to WS @Tanya St Amant ! I also don't remember any life insurance on the boys, and I too wonder why Darin was never looked into more. MOO IMO
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If we're going to compare her to Diane Downs, we could make the same case for her, 1 child died, the other 2 survived with injuries. Downs shot herself in the arm, she could have died from blood loss too. Why did she drive the children to the hospital and risk saving them, and 2 did survive. We can apply it to Darlie, why kill 2 children and leave the baby alive? I don't think either women are great analysis material, I believe it was an impulsive act and they're shocked they really did do it, and they have to prove over and over it was an intruder/carjacker.
The sock was Darin's, could he have run down the alleyway and dropped it?
I don't believe in the death penalty so Darlie shouldn't be on death row. The silly string incident doesn't prove anything to me either, it's the actual staging of the crime scene and her 911 call that tips me over to her guilt. Asking those questions like, why leave one alive, only she can answer.
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Very interesting. I’ve never read where it was proven to be Darins sock. Do you happen to remember what source? Very interesting indeed. MOO
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It's in the court transcript from darlieroutierfactandfiction, Greg Davis closing, Jan. 31, 1997
1 THE COURT: Well, I'll overrule that. 2 MR. JOHN HAGLER: He is going to go 3 into a matter that is not in evidence. 4 MR. GREG DAVIS: No, sir, I am not. 5 THE COURT: No, he is not, I don't 6 think he is. If he does, then the objection will be 7 sustained. 8 MR. GREG DAVIS: Yes, sir. 9 THE COURT: Stay within the record. 10 MR. GREG DAVIS: And what did Darin 11 Routier say to you good people, he said, "That is my sock 12 and it came out of that utility room. It's my sock." 13 Just like Charlie Linch had told you after his 14 microscopic examinations. 15 Now, let's talk about the sock for 16 just a second here before I go on. You know, I'm not 17 telling you that this defendant went down there in some 18 clever effort to plant this sock. I'm not saying that. 19 Mr. Shook is not saying that either. What we are saying 20 to you is, that this woman knew very well that this sock 21 right here came out of her house. 22 She knew good and well that she was 23 going to get it out of that house and try to disassociate 24 it from that house. You see, she never counted on that 25 knife being found in that butcher block with that Sandra M. Halsey, CSR, Official Court Reporter 5337
http://www.darlieroutierfactandfict...016/11/Greg-Davis-Closing-January-31-1997.pdf
It would've been a big scoop for Darlie's defense if the sock belonged to an intruder. I don't think it's significant that it's Darin's sock. The big question is why was it dropped/planted several doors down from their house near a drain? It was stained with Devon and Damon's blood, so the sock was at or near the crime scene, is this the reason?
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Ty for taking the time to share. I believe that’s exactly why the sock was there and had the sock not been verified as Darins (which I did not think it had), I completely agree with you, the defense would’ve had their reasonable doubt. IMO bc it was his sock, this shows further that Darlie planted it to show an intruder had “dropped” it after the murders. Or was it Darin? How exactly does one sleep through such horrific noises coming from your own children? MOO
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Hello everyone! I'm a new member here, having joined about two days ago. I passed through this thread earlier, but yesterday I came across a video made by a mental health specialist talking about the story:
While I haven't read much about the case, his analysis of the event seems fairly solid. While he personally believes that it's more likely that she committed the murders than not, the evidence falls well below the standard of reasonable doubt. His main point is that the police investigation was very unprofessional, with the assumption that a different suspect could not have been involved being particularly damaging since it effectively prohibited the police from examining evidence that could either confirm the existence of an intruder or prove for sure that it was false. This was pretty bad since it severely limited the material that the jury had access to.
Personally, I think that the evidence falls below the standard of reasonable doubt. As for whether she actually did it... I'm not really sure. It seems more likely than not that she was responsible for the killings, but it's hard to make a definite statement. Either way, this is a very difficult case, and I look forward to any further inquiry.
While I haven't read much about the case, his analysis of the event seems fairly solid. While he personally believes that it's more likely that she committed the murders than not, the evidence falls well below the standard of reasonable doubt. His main point is that the police investigation was very unprofessional, with the assumption that a different suspect could not have been involved being particularly damaging since it effectively prohibited the police from examining evidence that could either confirm the existence of an intruder or prove for sure that it was false. This was pretty bad since it severely limited the material that the jury had access to.
Personally, I think that the evidence falls below the standard of reasonable doubt. As for whether she actually did it... I'm not really sure. It seems more likely than not that she was responsible for the killings, but it's hard to make a definite statement. Either way, this is a very difficult case, and I look forward to any further inquiry.
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I suggest you read the trial transcripts, the DNA results and the appellate decisions. The police investigation was not unprofessional. In fact a parallel investigation was set up. They had to clear the two adults in the home and any family members of the two boys at the same time they were investigating an intruder--they couldn't clear Darlie. Over 150 DNA tests were conducted on the evidence prior to trial and they could not clear Darlie. Since 1996 Darlie has had more post conviction DNA tests granted than any other DR inmate, the evidence has been subjected to the very latest in DNA techniques including Y-STR testing on some of the evidence. No unknown male DNA was found on any of the evidence which pretty much excludes an unknown male committing murder in the home that night. No unknown male DNA from sweat or fingerprint oils was found in the bloody partial print 85J.
Darin was considered the first suspect by the RPD. However Darin statements in interviews always remained consistent and Darlie's changed every time. Also when the DNA results started to come in they pointed solely to her, not Darin so the focus shifted from Darin to Darlie.
I'm going to assume Dr. Grande's statement (love this guy btw) is due to the fact the RPD called in an experienced, veteran crime scene analyst who told them the CS appeared staged after his walk through.
After learning the evidence, the 911 call, reading the transcripts, the DNA results and the appellate decisions, I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that Darlie Routier murdered her two sons. I thought she was innocent at one time, but once I learned the case I can no longer give her the benefit of innocence. The 911 call sealed her guilt for me.
cami
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Darin was fully investigated by LE but he was cleared by the investigation.
cami
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Nobody knows unless Darlie tells us. Is it a plant? Or did she try to throw it in the bin and missed? Did she throw something down the drain and forgot the sock? Did she need to get the sock out of the house for some reason? The sock ties back to the house, it was Darin's sock, it had the boys blood on it and Darlie's DNA in the toe. Why would an intruder take the sock?
The sock is a red herring planted by Darlie imo. She stabs the boys, runs out to lay a false trail leading away from the house, returns home, cuts herself at the sink, cleans up after herself, then realises one of the boys is still alive so has to try again, leaving her own blood in that area.
She then makes the phone call, starting the clock on her version of events - “it wasn’t me who left the sock because I was on the phone the whole time”. Darlie supporters inevitably use this timeline to “prove” that an intruder took the sock outside.
I’ve said it before - Aside from all the evidence pointing at Darlie, there is nothing pointing at anyone else. Any intruder either had the footwork skills of a ballet dancer, or was able to levitate, leaving no footprints anywhere despite wandering about in the dark in a blood-soaked chaotic scene with an adult female still alive and potentially chasing him.
Darlie is where she should be. I do not support the death penalty. No need for that. She can stay locked up though.
She then makes the phone call, starting the clock on her version of events - “it wasn’t me who left the sock because I was on the phone the whole time”. Darlie supporters inevitably use this timeline to “prove” that an intruder took the sock outside.
I’ve said it before - Aside from all the evidence pointing at Darlie, there is nothing pointing at anyone else. Any intruder either had the footwork skills of a ballet dancer, or was able to levitate, leaving no footprints anywhere despite wandering about in the dark in a blood-soaked chaotic scene with an adult female still alive and potentially chasing him.
Darlie is where she should be. I do not support the death penalty. No need for that. She can stay locked up though.
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Me as well. Who would come in and murder two sweet little boys and leave Darlie alive? The screen was cut from the inside.
interested to see if anyone has considered this case to be sexually motivated?.. i honestly think there are parellels between this case and Robert Howard Bruce the ‘Ether’ rapist...
Robert Howard Bruce is a convicted burglar, rapist and he attempted to murder a policeman his wife and child. He is also known as the ‘Ether’ rapist, some of the signature in his case is apparent in Darlies.
I know her case was investigated as an intruder/burglary;however I think she was the target, and a victim of sexual assault (which would explain also why nothing was stolen, jewellery etc). I think she was smothered with Ether (accounts for the soreness in her mouth, why she didn’t awake during any of the assaults, her dizziness, and memory loss). Two cases that he was convicted for one woman awoke from being asleep in her bed to being in her garden in just her t-shirt no pants (I understand Darlie has no idea where her panties were as she had fell asleep in them) Robert is also known for taking items of clothing with him. Another of his victims awoke to him attempting to put a sock on her foot.
Darlie said she thinks her son may have woken her up by calling her, I believe Devon woke to see his mother being molested by Robert, I believe he then attacked Devon, and Damon woke to see Devon being attacked, called his mother and tried to go toward her when Robert then attacked him, when he thought both children were dead he then attempted to kill Darlie. Does anyone know if a rape kit was performed when Darlie was taken to hospital?
Robert is known to flee on foot, Eagle Drive is so close to Route 66. Robert operated between 1985 and 2006 and regularly flew into Dallas and then drove to Oklahoma to carry out attacks, he also attacked women in Lubbock, Austin, Colorado and New Mexico, he regularly stalked women for up to a year, had dark shoulder length hair and is tall. He also shopped in Dallas regularly.
Detective Jim Parks of the Norman Police Dept has investigated cold cases with regard to Robert Howard Bruce. I have tried to contact him but to no avail.
Finally, I know a lot of emphasis is on the fibres from the bread knife, were those fibreglass fibres ever compared to the fibreglass used in the printed circuit boards at Darins workplace? Their dinner that night was soup and rolls, if Darin cut a roll and just as a habit wiped the knife on his workshirt and put it back in the knife block?
I think theres similarities here that shouldnt be dismissed?
If the Innocence Project is actively working on Darlie's case, I can't find any evidence of it on their website. I can't even find it listed, but maybe I'm not looking at the right place. They rely on donations to operate and announcing a high-profile case will bring in more donations, but as far as I can tell nothing has been done since.
Robert Howard Bruce is an interesting theory. Thanks for thinking through that so well. But a toxicology test was run on Darlie. No ether nor any other chemical that might have put her to sleep or confused her were found. So that can't explain her changing stories or her claim that her dying son, who was stabbed in the lungs and couldn't walk or talk, came in to the kitchen to call to her after she chased the intruder away, as she testified on the stand. No blood evidence shows that he walked into the kitchen, only that he crawled a few feet in the TV room. That blatant lie alone shows her guilt.
For those getting their information from TV docudramas, remember that those are biased toward ratings and controversy. They aren't going to air something that's cut and dried - they want questions and doubt. If you read the court transcripts you can see all of the testimony, everything that is presented and all the judge's comments. You can make your own decision as if you were a juror.
Robert Howard Bruce is an interesting theory. Thanks for thinking through that so well. But a toxicology test was run on Darlie. No ether nor any other chemical that might have put her to sleep or confused her were found. So that can't explain her changing stories or her claim that her dying son, who was stabbed in the lungs and couldn't walk or talk, came in to the kitchen to call to her after she chased the intruder away, as she testified on the stand. No blood evidence shows that he walked into the kitchen, only that he crawled a few feet in the TV room. That blatant lie alone shows her guilt.
For those getting their information from TV docudramas, remember that those are biased toward ratings and controversy. They aren't going to air something that's cut and dried - they want questions and doubt. If you read the court transcripts you can see all of the testimony, everything that is presented and all the judge's comments. You can make your own decision as if you were a juror.
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So I missed that little tidbit too all these years !!! which makes me think my original thought are we 100% sure Darin didn't do it, and she was in a sleep, awake haze I'm one of those that is totally disoriented for a few min. I cant even explain why I think she didn't do it anymore , its just a feeling like there has always been more to it
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What if (because I don't know) Darlie decided that night to commit suicide but kill the boys first? After she actually cut herself she figured out this wasn't such a great idea and had to scramble to explain things. What offender comes in to a family occupied dwelling and kills two sleeping babies before attacking their target? If it doesn't make sense then it didn't happen that way. In my opinion only, this goes for Darlie's case and many others.
I think the Darlie attempting suicide and changing her mind is possible. The only thing is, in a suicidal state of mind a person would be so frazzled and upset they'd acquiesce to the child killings, as has happened in other similar instances. Darlie was way too slick with too much of a pre-planned (albeit dumb) story for the 911 operator (and for Darin when he came downstairs) - plus she did the clean-up at the sink, wiped off the sofa, etc. And why do it in such a violent, bloody way? She had access to pills and such that could have gotten the job done. She really is a sociopath; which is exactly why it's so hard to understand. It's just very sad.
I totally agree that many of the plausible solutions that people come up with to explain why Darlie didn't do it are usually a pretty big stretch. And there's never any evidence to match their theories.
I totally agree that many of the plausible solutions that people come up with to explain why Darlie didn't do it are usually a pretty big stretch. And there's never any evidence to match their theories.