Mrs. Badcrumble
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The news video on this link says that SCPD might release her name early next week. I'm not able to enter the SCPD site right now, though.
Possible Victim: Valerie Mack, 24, Manorville Jane Doe #6, missing 2000, found Nov 2000 & Gilgo Beach Apr 2011
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The news video on this link says that SCPD might release her name early next week. I'm not able to enter the SCPD site right now, though.
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I'm so glad Jane Doe 6 has been identified. I know some may disagree with me but I think this young woman could be connected to The Gilgo 4. She is of small stature like the G4. Only 5'2".
No argument about the belt but the unfortunate part is people take this movie and it's assumptions literally as opposed to what the evidence or lack there of actually suggests. LE knows this and can lead people to water but can't make them think. The movie is not based in reality. It's a highly fictionalized account based on a set of ridiculous assumptions of an otherwise true set of events. Brought to you by hollywood, thanks in large part to detective kolker and some of his trusty sidekooks such as susie superstar and joey the weirdo.
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I've heard people say that, and I think it's important (at least the first time you access it) that you type the whole bit.....try this Gilgo News
Tired of hearing about how great the new police force in Suffolk county is doing. Seriously?! They were Forced to release the 911 call for Shannan Gilbert, they didn’t release the belt info until this year! They don’t have Jessica Taylor’s pic posted on their Gilgonews website! The details on Nameus submitted by the police are a joke...(Jane Doe #6 didn’t have All of the remains found)
Now, the public gets to wait until they reach a family member to release Jane Doe 6 name?!
Now, the public gets to wait until they reach a family member to release Jane Doe 6 name?!
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That worked, thanks!
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The website is what I call a shell site. Yes, it has the functionality built into it to submit a tip but as far as comprehensive information on the victims and content, it is bare bones.
It's rather pathetic given the wealth of information in this case. It seems it's purpose it to elicit tips from people who may be very close to the case ...
I'm curious why in the "Articles Recovered" section the only article shown is the belt? They can't show the public the burlap sacks?
Neither the Gilbert nor Ray are allowed to release the 911 audio, per the Court order. Only Suffolk PD or the state of new york are in a position that allows them to release the audio.
Are you positive about that? Because I read somewhere on here that since Ray was working on behalf of the Gilbert estate, only he or Maris children could listen to the audio. That makes sense since Mari listened to the audio years ago
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Not sure about how legit this site is, but it's claiming to have Jane Doe #6's name:
Manorville Jane Doe
How much credibility we give this, not sure, but interesting!
Manorville Jane Doe
How much credibility we give this, not sure, but interesting!
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@Murder Inc is actually a member here. Maybe they can chime in.
Jane and John Doe of Suffolk
BY KENNY HERZOG
The New Island Ear
2002
Two bodies. Found two miles away from each other two years ago. No one knows who they were or where they came from.
On November 19th, 2000, hunters came across the decapitated body of a female that had been placed in garbage bags and left in a wooded area near Halsey-Manor Road in Manorville. Four days later and only a couple of miles away, a young male corpse was also discovered by hunters, approximately one-and-a-half miles east of the Shirley exit (68) on the Long Island Expressway. The man’s body, described as white or Hispanic, five-and-a-half to six feet tall, 130-150 pounds, with a surgical staple imbedded in his chin, was disrobed of all clothing save a pair of Gap boxer shorts. He was later revealed to have been a victim of strangulation. Both bodies were likely there for some time, particularly the female, who police believe was murdered as early as that September. Just over two years later, the victims still remain unidentified, and thus, the case has not even come close to being solved.
“Unfortunately, the investigation sort of starts and stops with the discovery of the bodies and the subsequent analysis—if there’s no way of identifying who that individual is,†says Detective/Lieutenant Jack Fitzpatrick, commanding officer for the homicide squad of the Suffolk County Police Department. “Some identification of who these people are will certainly give us an opportunity to backtrack and figure out what happened and why. Without identification, there’s not a lot to go on.â€
While murder is not a common occurrence in the primarily tranquil territory surrounding Shirley and Manorville, the heavily wooded area near the highway could have made the ideal dumping grounds for someone who committed the crime outside of the region. “If you looked at this stretch of road, you might say, ‘Nobody will ever go there,’†says Fitzpatrick.
Fitzpatrick and the homicide department are not considering the possibility of a connection between the cases, including the chance of a serial killer roaming the South Shore.
The question then remains: What is being considered? In cases like this, while one would like to cling to the idea that someone out there is missing a loved one who disappeared without a trace, there are many instances of missing runaways, hitchhikers and even prostitutes who have no discernible ties to any families or friends. So when the search for them is silenced amongst possible family and the community, who is going to act as their voice?
At this point, the Suffolk County Police Department has continued to put out “Crimestopper†alerts and is offering a cash reward of up to $1,000 for any information that leads to an arrest (800-220-TIPS). Beyond that, they have essentially thrown up their hands (although Fitzpatrick is still withholding the image of a tattoo located on the female victim for verification purposes if they ever get a call through Crimestoppers). When asked if they have sought assistance through the Doe Network, a volunteer organization dedicated to unidentified victims’ cases, Fitzpatrick said, “We do that on occasion, but I think there’s less possibility here of success. It’s a time-consuming process. Usually, we just send them to the FBI.â€
Todd Matthews, media director for the Doe Network, seemed a bit skeptical of this assertion, stating, “If the police want something left unexplained, then that’s fine. [But] we work with them. We could have it done this afternoon.†As long as the police provide a reconstructed image or picture of the victim, the Network’s Project EDAN (Everyone Deserves a Name) can create free facial reconstructions by professional forensic artists who donate their services to this cause (private investigators, medical examiners, journalists and police officers also donate their time). These images can be found on their website, www.doenetwork.org, which offers a worldwide forum to expand the search for anonymous victims. The Doe Network has had a hand in identifying three previously unidentified victims and has a database of more than 700 potential matches.
Granted, in instances such as the two in question, especially when a decapitation is involved (as with the female), that may be easier said than done. But within the cavalcade of cases that come into any police department, there is bound to be a constant re-prioritizing, with older, yet-unsolved cases probably finding their way to the bottom of the pile quick.
This is fairly alarming, considering that New York has the third-largest number of unidentified remains next to California and Florida. In fact, Matthews admitted that the Doe Network has “really not gotten a good response from New York,†adding that, “they’re telling me these cases are impossible, but they’re not. If they don’t have the resources, we’ll do it out of our pockets.
****so basically Suffolk Cty has had a tattoo of Jane Doe 6 But instead of alerting the public to id her they thought it was more important to withhold info to confirm if someone called in with a Crimestoppers tip?!?!?
BY KENNY HERZOG
The New Island Ear
2002
Two bodies. Found two miles away from each other two years ago. No one knows who they were or where they came from.
On November 19th, 2000, hunters came across the decapitated body of a female that had been placed in garbage bags and left in a wooded area near Halsey-Manor Road in Manorville. Four days later and only a couple of miles away, a young male corpse was also discovered by hunters, approximately one-and-a-half miles east of the Shirley exit (68) on the Long Island Expressway. The man’s body, described as white or Hispanic, five-and-a-half to six feet tall, 130-150 pounds, with a surgical staple imbedded in his chin, was disrobed of all clothing save a pair of Gap boxer shorts. He was later revealed to have been a victim of strangulation. Both bodies were likely there for some time, particularly the female, who police believe was murdered as early as that September. Just over two years later, the victims still remain unidentified, and thus, the case has not even come close to being solved.
“Unfortunately, the investigation sort of starts and stops with the discovery of the bodies and the subsequent analysis—if there’s no way of identifying who that individual is,†says Detective/Lieutenant Jack Fitzpatrick, commanding officer for the homicide squad of the Suffolk County Police Department. “Some identification of who these people are will certainly give us an opportunity to backtrack and figure out what happened and why. Without identification, there’s not a lot to go on.â€
While murder is not a common occurrence in the primarily tranquil territory surrounding Shirley and Manorville, the heavily wooded area near the highway could have made the ideal dumping grounds for someone who committed the crime outside of the region. “If you looked at this stretch of road, you might say, ‘Nobody will ever go there,’†says Fitzpatrick.
Fitzpatrick and the homicide department are not considering the possibility of a connection between the cases, including the chance of a serial killer roaming the South Shore.
The question then remains: What is being considered? In cases like this, while one would like to cling to the idea that someone out there is missing a loved one who disappeared without a trace, there are many instances of missing runaways, hitchhikers and even prostitutes who have no discernible ties to any families or friends. So when the search for them is silenced amongst possible family and the community, who is going to act as their voice?
At this point, the Suffolk County Police Department has continued to put out “Crimestopper†alerts and is offering a cash reward of up to $1,000 for any information that leads to an arrest (800-220-TIPS). Beyond that, they have essentially thrown up their hands (although Fitzpatrick is still withholding the image of a tattoo located on the female victim for verification purposes if they ever get a call through Crimestoppers). When asked if they have sought assistance through the Doe Network, a volunteer organization dedicated to unidentified victims’ cases, Fitzpatrick said, “We do that on occasion, but I think there’s less possibility here of success. It’s a time-consuming process. Usually, we just send them to the FBI.â€
Todd Matthews, media director for the Doe Network, seemed a bit skeptical of this assertion, stating, “If the police want something left unexplained, then that’s fine. [But] we work with them. We could have it done this afternoon.†As long as the police provide a reconstructed image or picture of the victim, the Network’s Project EDAN (Everyone Deserves a Name) can create free facial reconstructions by professional forensic artists who donate their services to this cause (private investigators, medical examiners, journalists and police officers also donate their time). These images can be found on their website, www.doenetwork.org, which offers a worldwide forum to expand the search for anonymous victims. The Doe Network has had a hand in identifying three previously unidentified victims and has a database of more than 700 potential matches.
Granted, in instances such as the two in question, especially when a decapitation is involved (as with the female), that may be easier said than done. But within the cavalcade of cases that come into any police department, there is bound to be a constant re-prioritizing, with older, yet-unsolved cases probably finding their way to the bottom of the pile quick.
This is fairly alarming, considering that New York has the third-largest number of unidentified remains next to California and Florida. In fact, Matthews admitted that the Doe Network has “really not gotten a good response from New York,†adding that, “they’re telling me these cases are impossible, but they’re not. If they don’t have the resources, we’ll do it out of our pockets.
****so basically Suffolk Cty has had a tattoo of Jane Doe 6 But instead of alerting the public to id her they thought it was more important to withhold info to confirm if someone called in with a Crimestoppers tip?!?!?
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I hated to even give Kolker the viewership by watching that trash. He's a snake that weaseled his way into the lives of these families and looked to profit off their grief. There was nearly NO truth to that movie whatsoever and it's sad he's making money and people that weren't there, and don't know actually believe the portrayal.
Lie #9999999999 from Suffolk Cty Police
In 2002, Detective/Lieutenant Jack Fitzpatrick told a reporter “usually, we just send these {cases} to the FBI.”
No Fitzpatrick, In 2002, you did not “just send these cases to the FBI”....the department you work(ed) for just recently started to involve the FBI on these matters!
In 2002, Detective/Lieutenant Jack Fitzpatrick told a reporter “usually, we just send these {cases} to the FBI.”
No Fitzpatrick, In 2002, you did not “just send these cases to the FBI”....the department you work(ed) for just recently started to involve the FBI on these matters!