Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #34

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

So you don't believe that they were in the house when he was shot that morning. Or do you believe he was shot earlier and the others weren't in the home and then returned to the home after someone else shot CV.

I am not following this at all... and can you help with your logical potential scenario to support saying that they didn't witness (earwitness/eyewitness) the violence of his death as if they were in the home, I can't fathom how they didn't at least earwitness. . (which to me means they weren't in the home)

Imo I took it to mean it’s possible Lori pulled the trigger. But not sure where this thought was going for them.

 

[longtimereader]

So you don't believe that they were in the house when he was shot that morning. Or do you believe he was shot earlier and the others weren't in the home and then returned to the home after someone else shot CV.

I am not following this at all... and can you help with your logical potential scenario to support saying that they didn't witness (earwitness/eyewitness) the violence of his death as if they were in the home, I can't fathom how they didn't at least earwitness. . (which to me means they weren't in the home)

Yes. They arrived after the fact maybe. They were all outside on the body cam including AC. They describe it as if they didn't actually witness it. Maybe AC opened the door and let CV in? He was ambushed maybe by another party.? If it was surprising turn of events as they described, they would still be witnessing a horrible violent death and have adrenalin going due to the group fight. Someone died. Just something I would investigate if I were a detective.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I am getting the thought that this will just end up as material for another book and podcast or series of books and podcasts for MG. Sort of "my best friend was a SK" type of thing and how I overcame the repercussions.

or "love in the time of covid and coveting"

 

[Anonymous91]

What did I miss...?? How do we know this??

I think this was mostly a joke. If I recall correctly, someone in their group stated that ZP could control the weather.

MOO

 

[indicolite22]

Were there two versions of the list of dark and light people? An early 2019 one and a later November 2019 one that had the Rexburg detectives on it? It would be interesting to compare them to see how someone changed in the eyes of Chad and Lori.

Dark translated beings were mentioned in IP's document describing Chad's doctrine. There was no reference to family members. Translated beings were immortal, so they weren't zombies.

 

[155etta]

I'm not sure what 'more info' means but I can point you to IP's document which states as follows:

"Al and Zulema had stayed in Las Vegas and were "preparing earthquakes" at the time I spoke with the police."

Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix

Initial discovery disclosure records that his meeting with police was on 5th Dec 2019.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR33-20-0302/Initial Discovery Disclosure.pdf

AC and ZP were married in Las Vegas on 29th Nov 2019.



Now, I don't want to start a rumor here, because I may be misremembering, so I won't name names, but does anyone else remember something being said on the first Dateline, about someone who claimed to be able to change the weather?

It was on the first Dateline. Lori told her friend in Hawaii (can't remember her name, but she is the one that Lori and Tylee stayed with and the one that she tried to recruit as a gatherer) that ZP had amazing powers and could control the weather.

Edit: friend's name is April.

 

[indicolite22]

What did I miss...?? How do we know this??

In one of IP's documents it was stated that Alex and ZP were in Vegas "preparing earthquakes".

 

[indicolite22]

Me too!! It really put me off. Plus, she never uttered the words, "killed" or "murdered" in relation to the dead. They all just passed away...

Is it true that she could get in legal trouble if she said they were killed/murdered?

 

[Anonymom]

MOO. These interviews are primarily as messages to Chad and Lori. It is always easier for LE to gain knowledge about a crime from a truthful confession.

While watching the video, there were numerous times where the interview seemed clipped and inelegantly edited. We have Nate telling us that the interview lasted 4 hours, but we don’t have any where near 4 hours of interviews that have been posted. I suspect LE may have advised EIN what information could be allowed and what might have to be removed to not jeopardize the investigation. Hence, all of the sympathy for Chad and Lori and hardly any for the victims. If MG is seen being too sympathetic towards the victims it might cause Chad and Lori to hold back on a confession. Perhaps MG did speak more sympathetically about the kids and deceased spouses but they were edited out. MG is speaking to Chad and Lori in language they will understand about repentance, forgiveness while giving them the option to separate themselves from committing a horrible crime because they were deceived by a the most powerful adversary: Satan.

If we truly want to find out what has happened to JJ and Tylee, these interviews are a powerful step in that direction. Chad is out of jail and free to watch. I am assuming that Lori will also be able to watch these as LE, jailers and the prosecution allows. Her attorney will have to agree, too, I presume.

 

[Gigi3]

Is it true that she could get in legal trouble if she said they were killed/murdered?

Could be? Or maybe she just can’t bring herself to say that. I don’t know, but I think MG has a lot of deprogramming to do. It’s not an excuse for her because I think she could’ve prevented some things, but I believe she bought in to some of these beliefs and hopefully now, she is receiving some therapy.

 

[tresir2012]

I feel bad for Colby...he will never see his siblings again...too bad Lori didn’t just leave the kids with him when she moved to Rexburg...

I do too. He has lost all his family basically.

Dark translated beings were mentioned in IP's document describing Chad's doctrine. There was no reference to family members. Translated beings were immortal, so they weren't zombies.

There is an email from Chad from 2018 that lists everyone as dark or light and their level and previous lives. This is before Ian's document. I need to re look at this. Had Melanie seen this in 2018 also?

See attached.

‘Doomsday mom’ Lori Vallow’s fifth husband Chad Daybell had cult-like belief he could detect if people were ‘light’ or ‘dark’ spirits and ‘graded’ Lori’s family members

 

[indicolite22]

MOO. These interviews are primarily as messages to Chad and Lori. It is always easier for LE to gain knowledge about a crime from a truthful confession.

While watching the video, there were numerous times where the interview seemed clipped and inelegantly edited. We have Nate telling us that the interview lasted 4 hours, but we don’t have any where near 4 hours of interviews that have been posted. I suspect LE may have advised EIN what information could be allowed and what might have to be removed to not jeopardize the investigation. Hence, all of the sympathy for Chad and Lori and hardly any for the victims. If MG is seen being too sympathetic towards the victims it might cause Chad and Lori to hold back on a confession. Perhaps MG did speak more sympathetically about the kids and deceased spouses but they were edited out. MG is speaking to Chad and Lori in language they will understand about repentance, forgiveness while giving them the option to separate themselves from committing a horrible crime because they were deceived by a the most powerful adversary: Satan.

If we truly want to find out what has happened to JJ and Tylee, these interviews are a powerful step in that direction. Chad is out of jail and free to watch. I am assuming that Lori will also be able to watch these as LE, jailers and the prosecution allows. Her attorney will have to agree, too, I presume.

Too bad "the adversary" can't be put in jail instead of Lori and Chad.

 

[tresir2012]

I am curious if there is any evidence that AC was declared dark or a zombie before he died.

Also because of the behavior of LV, AC and TR on the body cam footage, I still believe some else shot CV. They were all too casual and physically calm to have witnessed the violence of his death. I don't believe they can act that well. So that makes me wonder that someone else had a hand in any other deaths. MG mentions other followers. She may be calling them out to not just to stop believing but to come forward with info.

Have you read the statements of Lori, Alex and Tylee? They describe what happened.

 

[tresir2012]

Too bad "the adversary" can't be put in jail instead of Lori and Chad.

Why instead of? Surely as well as?

 

[indicolite22]

There is an email from Chad from early in the year 2019 that lists everyone as dark or light and there level and previous lives. This is before Ian's document.

It's from October 30 2018 actually.

 

[Diddian]

Yes. They arrived after the fact maybe. They were all outside on the body cam including AC. They describe it as if they didn't actually witness it. Maybe AC opened the door and let CV in? He was ambushed maybe by another party.? If it was surprising turn of events as they described, they would still be witnessing a horrible violent death and have adrenalin going due to the group fight. Someone died. Just something I would investigate if I were a detective.

I think the shooting of CV was a planned ambush by LV and AxC and they created a narrative in advance to support an "it was done in self-defense" story that they believed would remove them from suspicion of criminality. They gave TR a starring role in that narrative by having her - a minor child (NOT either of the adults) be the one who first introduced a weapon (the bat) into the scene. IMO, they did that because they thought police would surely believe an innocent, scared teen, even if they had suspicions about the estranged wife and her brother (who'd previously criminally attacked his sister's ex-husband and had done time for the offense).

There were inconsistencies between the evidence and the various stories told by LVD, TR, and AxC about timing of who was there when the shots were fired and how many shots were fired. AxC's story had LVD and the kids leaving before the SHOTS (multiple) were fired; LVD's story had LVD seeing CV after the SHOT (singular) was fired. TR's story had TR going in to get LVD's purse after TR had heard a single loud noise. ETA: CV was shot twice in the chest.

There were things that just didn't make sense: why invite an estranged husband who you are telling police you believe to be mean, nasty, and occasionally violent to the home rather than meet at a neutral location; if he is so mean and potentially violent that you invite your brother to stay so he'll be on scene, why take his phone - HIS private property with HIS private communications - and provoke his anger; why continue to withhold his phone and further escalate his anger; once you flee the scene in HIS car with the two children for their safety, why not go to police; once you leave the home in HIS car and know that the situation has become intense and potentially violent and that your brother is still there, why not call police to the scene from the safety of the car; if the shooting has already occurred and you know someone's life is endangered, why not call for police PLUS emergency medical care?

Beyond those rational questions, how to explain that AxC feared he was in such imminent danger that he'd be beaten to death with him having the time to get himself to a separate room, collect his gun, and turn around and shoot CV multiple times in the chest? Did CV just stand there, twiddling his thumbs, and wait for AxC to do all that? Are we to believe that CV secured JJ and Bailey in the car, left it running, and then forgot he'd done so and that he had limited time to get JJ fed and off to school as he engaged in a dispute with LVD, AxC, and TR? The minor wounds on AxC's head sure don't attest to a serious attack. The care and concern CV generally showed for JJ don't support the idea that he'd advance an attack upon all of them while JJ and the dog are out there waiting to be taken to school. At most, CV went in to retrieve his phone and expected that to be a quick trip inside and back out again.

What we know from MG's recent interviews is that LVD is a crafty liar and she is perfectly capable of creating a narrative that is not true, but that paints herself as an innocent person when she is not, and that she will orchestrate events that involve others in her lie to support her created narrative. LVD did so with TR with the supposed bat that CV supposedly took away and wielded himself as a dangerous weapon on July 11, 2019. LVD attempted to do so again when she instructed MG to lie to police and to take photos of random children that MG was supposedly to have taken while out with JJ to see Frozen 2 in November 2019 (as LVD had lied to police that JJ was staying with MG and they were currently out seeing that movie).

ETA: CV didn't wield a bat. There was one planted nearby him after he was dead to support the created narrative. None of MG's photos (had she obeyed LVD's instructions to take them) would have featured JJ and we all know why.

 

[indicolite22]

Could be? Or maybe she just can’t bring herself to say that. I don’t know, but I think MG has a lot of deprogramming to do. It’s not an excuse for her because I think she could’ve prevented some things, but I believe she bought in to some of these beliefs and hopefully now, she is receiving some therapy.

She mentioned talking to her Bishop. Maybe that is her deprogramming.

 

[OGDiva]

I think Chad and his doctrine weaved back and forth within what we actually believe in the LDS Church. I still wonder how big this community is as they are sitting around dissecting scripture and interpreting it to fit Chad as a visionary man with a gift. This is all so bizarre and more than that...EVIL

I believe MG referred to the community in the 2nd video? She stated that it is much bigger than we realize. IMO- I think this group may be primarily located in Utah, Arizona, and Idaho. I think we would be shocked at the real numbers. This in no way is limited to a group of 10 or so.

 

[DI_Isokawa]

Any guesses as to who Chad's "Dream Girls" (note the plural) were? I have a supposition about who the one referenced was but I want to see if anybody has encountered that phrase somewhere I might have missed.

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

Any guesses as to who Chad's "Dream Girls" (note the plural) were? I have a supposition about who the one referenced was but I want to see if anybody has encountered that phrase somewhere I might have missed.

Honestly, every time I read this it sounds like a cast of characters from a book. Ian's outline too, sounds like the details from an elaborate storyline for a book series. Chad even allegedly told a fellow passenger that he was not writing the same kind of fiction and was going in another direction. Except they really believe they are living in this altered reality, and have these special powers, and have now justified killing people because of Chad's bizarre overactive imagination. Moo.