Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #37

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Does anyone remember a video from earlier today (yesterday now) where it was being explained by some official why they sealed the probable cause affidavit of Chad's arrest warrant? Something about it caught my attention and I wanted to comment on it but I didn't at that point because I was trying to get caught up in the thread. Now, going back, I can't find it.

Basically, from what I remember, it was explained that the affidavit needed to be sealed for the safety and protection of officers who are working on this or other closely related cases. I found that odd as both Chad and Lori were in custody at this point, which seemed to insinuate that there was another potential threat/POI out there and therefore they couldn't release the probable cause affidavit publicly.

Doing a google search the only thing I could find is this, which says nearly the same thing, but it's not an exact quote from the speaker (whom appears to have been Rob Wood) and is equally strange since it talks about the scene of the crime specifically, which I don't remember from the video I now can't find (emphasis mine):

Wood named special Fremont County prosecutor, seals investigation documents - Local News 8

"Wood also received approval of a motion sealing documents and other information contained in the probable cause documents. He said the affidavit and warrant contains facts or statements which could compromise the integrity of ongoing criminal investigation or jeopardize the safety of officers or individuals currently investigating the scene in search of physical evidence."

Thoughts?


Oooooo. Good thinking skills. Hummm

My first guess is there is something that the officers are specialists in that there are very few of and if criminals or the prosecutions knew about the specialisation this could harm investigations or put their lives a risk.

My second thought was that they have undercover cops in some group. Two groups we know of. But could be another too.

My third thought is I am looking at this wrong and it's something else. Any lawyers about?
 
They can blame Alex all they want. They will then be charged with conspiracy to commit murder. Finding these children, literally, buried in Chad's backyard is so incriminating, it's frankly hard to believe.

I posted on my theory of conspiracy in March - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #27

The jist:
Source:What Do the Courts Consider in a Conspiracy Case? - FindLaw
A criminal conspiracy exists when two or more people agree to commit almost any unlawful act, then take some action toward its completion. The action taken need not itself be a crime, but it must indicate that those involved in the conspiracy knew of the plan and intended to break the law. A person may be convicted of conspiracy even if the actual crime was never committed.

Agreement Requirement
  • Lori, Alex, Chad agree that Charles is a non-believer, has been taken over by (Nick Schneider or Nick Snyder) must now be eliminated to further the mission of Chad’s “Gathering”, using insurance money to fund the cause. Unfortunately, plan goes skiwampus when Kay gets the money.
  • Lori, Alex, Chad, Melani agree that next up for elimination is Brandon. Fortunately, plan goes skiwampus as bullet misses target.
  • Lori, Alex, Chad agree, Tammy must go. Chad had a vision of her dying. October 9, “Paintball” gunman misses target. October 19, murder succeeds. Chad collects insurance money to further the mission.
  • December 12 - unclear if Lori, Chad and Alex agree that Alex must die or Lori, Chad and as yet unnamed suspects decide this. At any rate - Alex is dead.
Intent Requirement
Intention is key to prove conspiracy. This speaks to the mental state of those involved. All involved in the conspiracy must agree on the intended outcome. The players seem to have agreed that the outcome of this idiotic plan is the end of the world in July 2020.

Potential Evidence:
  • Documented evidence via Charles Vallow divorce papers that there is an end of times mission in play.
  • Documented evidence via Charles Vallow email to Adam Cox of falsified letter to Chad Daybell
  • IP statements to LE as reported in Brandon’s response to Melani’s custody case.
  • Finding the children buried in Chad's backyard. (updated)
  • What has been discovered behind the paywall at AVOW?
  • What has been discovered in the records of the group that cannot be named?
  • What has been discovered on Lori, Chad, Alex and Melani’s phones?
Overt Act Requirement
In most jurisdictions, at least one co-conspirator must take some concrete step in furtherance of the plan.
  • Alex
  • Lori, Chad, Alex or other unnamed POI at storage unit
  • Calling Melani Gibb to lie about the whereabouts of Tylee and JJ.
  • Finding the children buried in Chad's backyard. (updated)

Idaho Law Regarding Conspiracy
BBM
TITLE 18
CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS
CHAPTER 17
CONSPIRACIES
18-1701. CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY DEFINED. If two (2) or more persons combine or conspire to commit any crime or offense prescribed by the laws of the state of Idaho, and one (1) or more of such persons does any act to effect the object of the combination or conspiracy, each shall be punishable upon conviction in the same manner and to the same extent as is provided under the laws of the state of Idaho for the punishment of the crime or offenses that each combined to commit.

The crime is murder.

Idaho Law Regarding Homicide
TITLE 18
CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS
CHAPTER 40
HOMICIDE
18-4004. PUNISHMENT FOR MURDER. Subject to the provisions of sections 19-2515 and 19-2515A, Idaho Code, every person guilty of murder of the first degree shall be punished by death or by imprisonment for life, provided that a sentence of death shall not be imposed unless the prosecuting attorney filed written notice of intent to seek the death penalty as required under the provisions of section 18-4004A, Idaho Code, and provided further that whenever the death penalty is not imposed the court shall impose a sentence. If a jury, or the court if a jury is waived, finds a statutory aggravating circumstance beyond a reasonable doubt but finds that the imposition of the death penalty would be unjust, the court shall impose a fixed life sentence. If a jury, or the court if a jury is waived, does not find a statutory aggravating circumstance beyond a reasonable doubt or if the death penalty is not sought, the court shall impose a life sentence with a minimum period of confinement of not less than ten (10) years during which period of confinement the offender shall not be eligible for parole or discharge or credit or reduction of sentence for good conduct, except for meritorious service. Every person guilty of murder of the second degree is punishable by imprisonment not less than ten (10) years and the imprisonment may extend to life.

Thanks for this as that answers what I was asking @gitana1 previously. i'm hopelessly behind on the thread.
 
This! Thank you for reminding us of this. So this leads me to believe Tylee and JJ were buried there by October 24th. So I think Chad either buried them there when Tammy went to visit her family , or someone, maybe Alex buried them there while Chad and his kids were in Utah for Tammy’s funeral. MOO
I think Chad had to have been there. There were adult children living in the house. I can't imagine that Alex could have been burying or partially burning bodies while they were living there.
 
Does anyone remember a video from earlier today (yesterday now) where it was being explained by some official why they sealed the probable cause affidavit of Chad's arrest warrant? Something about it caught my attention and I wanted to comment on it but I didn't at that point because I was trying to get caught up in the thread. Now, going back, I can't find it.

Basically, from what I remember, it was explained that the affidavit needed to be sealed for the safety and protection of officers who are working on this or other closely related cases. I found that odd as both Chad and Lori were in custody at this point, which seemed to insinuate that there was another potential threat/POI out there and therefore they couldn't release the probable cause affidavit publicly.

Doing a google search the only thing I could find is this, which says nearly the same thing, but it's not an exact quote from the speaker (whom appears to have been Rob Wood) and is equally strange since it talks about the scene of the crime specifically, which I don't remember from the video I now can't find (emphasis mine):

Wood named special Fremont County prosecutor, seals investigation documents - Local News 8

"Wood also received approval of a motion sealing documents and other information contained in the probable cause documents. He said the affidavit and warrant contains facts or statements which could compromise the integrity of ongoing criminal investigation or jeopardize the safety of officers or individuals currently investigating the scene in search of physical evidence."

Thoughts?
Perhaps it is an abundance of caution due to the general atmosphere lately re the nationwide protests against LE.
 
I think Chad had to have been there. There were adult children living in the house. I can't imagine that Alex could have been burying or partially burning bodies while they were living there.
Add to that Alex wasn't going to show up and have large bonfires at the area of Chad's backyard. And of course Alex was dead already in the spring.
 
So I don't think police needed a special tip from someone in the "know." If Chad was having bonfires in his back yard, it was kind of obvious where to dig. The only surprise is that police waited that long to dig.
 

Great find.

They have a good "hunch" IMO to look there after yesterday's developments. Wouldn't that be something if he had helped others hide a body way back in 1995 because of his grave digging experience.

"Friday was their inaugural test. They focused on searching for Kiplyn Davis who disappeared in 1995."

"Jason Jensen with the coalition said Kiplyn Davis’ family knew of Daybell."

"In 2011, Timmy Olsen pleaded guilty to manslaughter and was sentenced to 15 years in prison. But he claimed someone else killed her and he helped move her body"

"Olsen did tell investigators Davis was buried in Spanish Fork Canyon, but she was never found despite numerous searches."


Friday, the coalition focused on a new search location at a cemetery in Springville. They chose that location based on a hunch. Chad Daybell who is involved in a missing children’s case in Idaho once was a gravedigger at the same cemetery."


The Justice Files: In search of bodies of the deceased
 
So, Lori and her atty want to know what gave probable cause (or who squealed?)

Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix
14 hrs ·
Meanwhile in Madison County, Mark Means - attorney for Lori Vallow is requesting records/documents in the Chad Daybell case including the search warrant. Means is not asking for affidavit to be unsealed, but wants the records for his client.
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Why would a criminal try to destroy the body of one vicitm and bury the body of the other? My mind wont let this go.

Don't even try to make sense of the entire situation, that makes zero sense to begin with. LVD is truly evil. And the fact that she had her children's birth certificates with her, and was planning to continue to collect their Social Security benefits, means that she KNEW exactly where they were. Safe? As in, "Safely buried"?

LVD is completely implicated here, as is CD. CD KNEW that the bodies were on his property. He can't get away with, "Alex did it, I had nothing to do with it.".

Who would even visit CD in jail? I have no doubt that his kids are still reeling from this new information.
 
Why would a criminal try to destroy the body of one vicitm and bury the body of the other? My mind wont let this go.

If we even are talking about bodies. They specifically said remains. So the remains that were buried could be just charred pieces of bone. And the other remains were maybe not destroyed enough. It takes some skill to burn a body for it to end up with just some remains left.

This tells you this group of people is and was completely removed from society. They literally felt untouchable.
 
So, Lori and her atty want to know what gave probable cause (or who squealed?)

Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix
14 hrs ·
Meanwhile in Madison County, Mark Means - attorney for Lori Vallow is requesting records/documents in the Chad Daybell case including the search warrant. Means is not asking for affidavit to be unsealed, but wants the records for his client.
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Lori's children are found in her new husband's backyard and her first statement is: 'why did they search there?'. No expression of horror or shock that her children who were allegedly kept safe by her faith and trust are now found to be dead and buried!
 
Why would a criminal try to destroy the body of one vicitm and bury the body of the other? My mind wont let this go.

JMO
It would take a lot of time to build a large enough fire to try to burn up a body. If they were killed at different times then maybe for one of them there was simply not enough time to start a huge barnfire to try to burn up the body if someone else was due to come home.

I have shared in other cases that I do a lot of burning of old trees and tree limbs that have fallen down and a good large sized fire can stay hot for literally days. When I have a good size brush wood pile burning, I can go out the next day and give it a stir and it fires right back up. So maybe there simply was not enough time for him to burn up one of the bodies if someone else was coming home soon.

Or one of them wasnt burned up as well as the other if done at different times.
 
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Does anyone remember a video from earlier today (yesterday now) where it was being explained by some official why they sealed the probable cause affidavit of Chad's arrest warrant? Something about it caught my attention and I wanted to comment on it but I didn't at that point because I was trying to get caught up in the thread. Now, going back, I can't find it.

Basically, from what I remember, it was explained that the affidavit needed to be sealed for the safety and protection of officers who are working on this or other closely related cases. I found that odd as both Chad and Lori were in custody at this point, which seemed to insinuate that there was another potential threat/POI out there and therefore they couldn't release the probable cause affidavit publicly.

Doing a google search the only thing I could find is this, which says nearly the same thing, but it's not an exact quote from the speaker (whom appears to have been Rob Wood) and is equally strange since it talks about the scene of the crime specifically, which I don't remember from the video I now can't find (emphasis mine):

Wood named special Fremont County prosecutor, seals investigation documents - Local News 8

"Wood also received approval of a motion sealing documents and other information contained in the probable cause documents. He said the affidavit and warrant contains facts or statements which could compromise the integrity of ongoing criminal investigation or jeopardize the safety of officers or individuals currently investigating the scene in search of physical evidence."

Thoughts?
Reprisal from a Daybell follower?
 
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