Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #61

[jjenny]

I guess it depends on your style of cut. He just worked around it and mine was easy. I guess the only way I can describe mine is intricate with many layers and angles. If that makes any sense.

I guess it can be done with an ear loop style?

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Did you notice the BBC reported the 41k figure today but also had the " ONS death certificates with CV19 on them" 50k figure posted with it too? I think they are preparing us for that as a final figure. I think the difference is likely to be deaths in the home. MOO

Apparently the extra few thousand IS excess deaths at home, but not all are Covid deaths, for example some could be heart attack patients who didn't want to go to A&E, or cancer patients missing treatment.

It will work itself out and hopefully one day we'll have useful and comparable results. It's going to be an interesting study one day (if you're a numbers geek like me, anyway)

 

[justbeachy]

I guess it can be done with an ear loop style?

That is the style I had on. I would imagine the ones that tie behind the head would not work in this situation. I don't have any of that style, though, so I couldn't say for sure. My son likes the gaiter style but the amount of protection he gets from it is questionable in my opinion. He also has some ear loop ones but we have a hard time finding those to fit his face. I guess he has a big face?? LOL

 

[tresir2012]

It was only published on June 2. The pre-print has not been out for 3 months, but for about 6 weeks. The article was firmed up and finalized during May.

I edited and added the report I was talking about. It was dated March.

 

[COSCitizen]

Medical forums were already discussing it, but doctors whose hands are full treating CoVid (and every other disease that comes next) do not have time to do these studies. These are done by research specialists who know the statistical models and protocols to use (starting with ethically finding and informing patients). People do *not* like finding out there's something wrong with their body - half of people asked if they want free testing for, say, a genetic condition that could affect them later in life - say "Nope, rather not know."

My mother had breast cancer when she was 70. She had a lumpectomy and died 10 years later of something else. A few years afterward, I asked my gyn if I should get the genetic test for BRCA. She pointed out that a positive result might affect my ability to get health care coverage, so needless to say I did not get the test. I am careful to get my regularly scheduled screening mammogram and otherwise don't worry about it. I know ACA has cut down on some of the abuse of the concept of preexisting conditions by insurance companies, but no sane person who has to try to get health care coverage in the United States should take it for granted.

 

[10ofRods]

We have a large amount of care homes here, it will be very interesting to see the detailed stats when they're ready, the proper/final ones! I believe sending all the oldies back into carehomes from hospital when this all started, was our biggest mistake. That, and continuing to allow literally thousands of flights to land here for far too long.

It is no coincidence that in Europe it is generally the more wealthier and more travel-y nations who have been hit hardest. Millions of northern Europeans flitting about through hub airports, and the February school break during which thousands go skiing in Italy/France. Heathrow has well over 1000 flights per day - straight off the plane and onto public transport, no wonder London got battered. Same applies in the US of course - your busiest airport cities seem to have kickstarted things and taken the biggest hit.

Great analysis. I wish someone could write a longer article on this topic, as you're clearly on the right track.

If L.A. hadn't allowed its marathon to go on, L.A. would have seen far fewer cases. They did contact tracing back in those days, before it became impossible and that race spread so much CoVid (runners and spectators alike).

Now, it's gone beyond California's ability to contact trace whereas Spain and Italy are still very much on top of it. I worry about France. UK could start a successful contact tracing system, with mandatory quarantines for the infected, as its rates are falling low enough to do that. But in real life, it takes 1000's of contact tracers if not more, and it's hard work and the results have to be published or at least semi-public in order for all of us to learn the kinds of things you just said and have that supported with data.

San Francisco is much less of an international hub and has had its tourism shut to virtually zero, whereas Orange County has never fully shut down and remains a beach destination for worldwide travelers.

Cold dry weather on the ski slopes, even with some social distancing is going to transmit CV again next winter unless it's eradicated or there's a vaccine - hopefully everyone traveling will be traced as they go home. I can dream.

 

[10ofRods]

I edited and added the report I was talking about. It was dated March.

I'm talking about the juried publication in your first post. Do you have an actual academic citation for the claim in your post?

I can only find the one in the article you posted.

ETA - I found the article. And posted below why I think it didn't get much traction.

 

[Footwarrior]

Did you notice the BBC reported the 41k figure today but also had the " ONS death certificates with CV19 on them" 50k figure posted with it too? I think they are preparing us for that as a final figure. I think the difference is likely to be deaths in the home. MOO

The public heath authority in my state is also publishing two numbers. Deaths from COVID-19 and Deaths of persons with COVID-19. This is standard practice for epidemic statistics and the reason is fairly simple. It takes several weeks to process the death certificate and verify that COVID-19 contributed to the death. Simply counting deaths among persons with COVID-19 is slightly less accurate but that data is available weeks earlier.

 

[10ofRods]

@tresir2012 I found it from your link it was in this journal:

Radiology: Cardiothoracic Imaging

March 18..

I think the reason it didn't get a lot of publicity is that 1) it was mid-March and many people barely had a clue what CoVid was and newspapers weren't as eager to get into the details and

2) The researchers are Japanese. The patients were largely Asian. Sad to say, at that point in time, this was still the "China Flu" (there are still internet forums with that name or who are using that phrase to describe it),

The newspaper article doesn't name the pathology (GGOs) but of course it was also a new finding then. I can remember clearly that on March 13, it was announced that cruise ship passengers stranded in L.A. were to be sent throughout California (Sonoma County got a bunch; Monterey County got a bunch; L.A. County got hardly any; my county got a few). Supposedly, they were all symptomatic, but we know now that people caring for them...got CoVid.

Two in my county got very ill and had to go to an ICU about 10 miles from my house. And that's how CoVid came to my county.

I still think much more research needs to be done. I wish someone would go give x-rays or other scans to more asymptomatic people. I wish testing was high enough here in California that we had a large group of the asymptomatic (has to be antibody testing, obviously).

At any rate, not finding UK or US based research (aside from the prison study cited above, today - but that just shows asymptomatic transmission...I wish we knew whether they have organ damage and I wish it wasn't just lungs under study at this point).

 

[COSCitizen]

Fourth Judicial District to resume jury trials in El Paso County

(This is in Colorado, the county where the Gannon Stauch murder trial may happen someday.) Since I was in that courthouse as a juror on a civil trial last fall, I was particularly interested to read the precautions they plan to take to protect participants from COVID 19.

Colorado Judicial Branch - Media - Press Releases

 

[10ofRods]

I guess it depends on your style of cut. He just worked around it and mine was easy. I guess the only way I can describe mine is intricate with many layers and angles. If that makes any sense.

I'm jealous of your hairstyle and I can't even see it. I've tried that more layered look a couple of times, but my hair is so fine and lacking body (yet wavy) that it won't do anything but lie flat.

So all I have to do is take the scissors and trim the ends and have my DH do the back, where there is a small curve.

ETA: Someone would make a killing with disposable masks that had light adhesive and no loops, just for hair salons.

 

[Bravo]

My Hair is fine but I guess I have a lot of it. He uses all kinds of different scissors. I was afraid when I first went years ago my hair would lay flat. It's kinda short on one side, over the ear with hair coming forward toward my cheek. Other side longer on a really sharp angle, up over the ear but the length goes almost to my chin. Super easy to keep too. I never knew my hair could do that until I started going to him years back. So don't be afraid to give it a go.

 

[Bravo]

Great idea on the masks for Salons

 

[Bravo]

I guess it can be done with an ear loop style?

Yes I had a surgical mask on

 

[tresir2012]

I'm talking about the juried publication in your first post. Do you have an actual academic citation for the claim in your post?

I can only find the one in the article you posted.

ETA - I found the article. And posted below why I think it didn't get much traction.

I didn't post the original publication, another poster did. I only commented on it then searched for an earlier source, which I then added to my post. Not sure if you saw my edit.

Let me know if you want me to post anything else.

 

[tresir2012]

Dupe

 

[Bravo]

Thankfully my City has no Long Term Care Homes with an outbreak. At this point. All around us. Yes.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

2021 events being affected now:

Oscars 2021 ceremony postponed for two months

 

[tabitha111]

I am the original poster of that article. Here is the study:
ACP Journals

 

[LadyL]

I keep a bag of masks in the car. I have been working on making my own masks, but I am still working on it.

Old Navy is selling masks, they probably are not great, but I ordered 10 from their website.

And someone here was selling masks at the Farmers Market, I bought ten from her the other day.

Masks are here to stay for awhile. I have a stack at work, in the car, and at home.

my Amazon order of masks never came and I'm having trouble sourcing more
lots of cloth ones available but I want either the surgical or N95's if possible
I might get some cloth ones anyway