Found Deceased TX - PFC Vanessa Guillen, 20, Fort Hood military base, items left behind, 22 Apr 2020 *arrests* #3

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I don't know where you were a prosecutor, but where I live, killing someone in a rage would still be murder, not manslaughter. It might even be 1st degree, which only requires a moment's premeditation.

Agreed. (Hopefully it was obvious that I was being sarcastic in my previous post.)
Voluntary manslaughter is still a homicide. It is sometimes termed a "crime of passion," when a person acts suddenly in a fit of jealousy or rage. Imo

I doubt it will influence the charges against CA, although we don't know the whole story yet. We probably never will.
 
I was there in the thread in real time interacting with her. I have a few screenshots. When specifically asked, she said her post was not sarcasm (I have a screenshot of this) and said this is the reality of the culture we live in if we want to serve our country. I don’t know if I’m allowed to comment further on her other comments in that thread but let’s just say she made a very bad impression on me. I don’t think she’s a good person. I wouldn’t want her to teach my child in college or command my child in the military. I think she’s very much part of the problem.

Horrific, but thank you!

Any of us pay taxes in Wisconsin? Curators of that university & the state legislature need to know what your tax dollars are funding with this B.S. person.

JMHO YMMV LRR

Thank you Ms. Guillen, for your service!!!

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Yup, and if my interpretation is correct, he was being held at the barracks and not allowed to leave? Then someone definitely turn the other way and let him leave, MOO.
AR is the killer but the culture there certainly made it easier for her death..
In the interview with Nancy Grace, the attorney said he was being questioned and was asked to take a lie detector test. She said CID told her the questions were in regard to the adultery, not the murder.

As I understood it he didn't run from the barracks, but the building where he was being questioned. I don't remember what it's called, but it was something like the MP headquarters. He was told to stay there. A BOLO was issued after he managed to get away.

But before that he was told to stay in the barracks. He had apparently been living with Aguilar off base.

Imo
 
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According to his girlfriend, Vanessa saw pictures of CA on his phone and threatened to report him for adultery. He told her he wasn't going to let her ruin his career and struck her repeatedly in the head with a hammer.

There was allegedly blood all over the armory room but he managed to clean up the crime scene in 43 minutes without anybody ever noticing a thing. Either he didn't leave behind a trace of blood, or they never looked for it.
Gruesome, gruesome murder that Vanessa Guillen's family will have to absorb, process, and try to heal from. CA could get 20 years and a second chance. I think it should be life with no chance of ever getting out.
 
Sadly, I can put together a similar list with a completely different set of names.

CID had to put the account relayed by CA, into the affidavit. It does not mean they believe it, and I certainly do not.

This isn’t guns, adultery, or Vanessa knowing some big secret. Just a sicko, doing what countless others have done before, and countless others will do in the future.

One man, one accomplice, and questions that will forever remain unanswered.

Morning!

Ita with you once again.

Cases like this are never as complex as many think or make them out to be.

In the end, most all murder cases are pretty straightforward, and aren't complex at all including the motives.

As you posted you could put or list another murdered victim, and another murderer who has done the same for the same motives.

It's just a different victim this time with a different named murderer... sad to say. :(

Jmho
 
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I saw a couple of posts describing the Army arranging a meeting between VG's family & AR (and him laughing in their faces). Does anyone have a link that describes this meeting?

Suspect connected to missing Fort Hood soldier Vanessa Guillen dies by suicide

"He had the nerve to laugh in my face and apparently now he kills himself. Why? I don't know, but whoever is responsible has to pay," said Mayra Guillen.

Missing Soldier Vanessa Guillén's Family Claims Coverup: 'Fort Hood Lied To Us, She Didn't Deserve This'

That man, fatally shot himself when authorities approached him this week. One of Guillén’s sisters spoke to him before his death, and said he was dismissive and “laughed in her face.”

1 suspect dead, 1 arrested in disappearance of Fort Hood soldier Vanessa Guillen

A sister of Vanessa Guillen said a suspect who is now dead laughed in her face the day she met him

Haven't found an article with more details about it yet but only searched very briefly...
 
Yes, Mayra mentioned it during the Press Conference but did not go into much detail. She said when the family went to the base for an update, she spoke to Robinson and he laughed in her face.
 

Thank you. Yes, I had watched the press conference where the sister said AR had laughed in her face. I guess i was just curious about how the family came into contact with him. I wonder if he approached them? I haven't seen an article stating the Army arranged a meeting between them as some have stated here.

Either way, it is clear AR felt no remorse. So sad, VG deserved so much more than this, not only as a fellow solider, but as a human being.
 
Morning!

Ita with you once again.

Cases like this are never as complex as many think or make them out to be.

In the end, most all murder cases are pretty straightforward, and aren't complex at all including the motives.

As you posted you could put or list another murdered victim, and another murderer who has done the same for the same motives.

It's just a different victim this time with a different named murderer... sad to say. :(

Jmho

I understand and agree with you that when we hear hoof-beats we should think of horses, not zebras.

How do you think the reports by Vanessa to her family and others about harassment (walking in on her showering, following her and making inappropriate comments, etc.) fit into this?

MOO.
 
Voluntary manslaughter is still a homicide. It is sometimes termed a "crime of passion," when a person acts suddenly in a fit of jealousy or rage. Imo

I doubt it will influence the charges against CA, although we don't know the whole story yet. We probably never will.
I'm familiar with the differences between murder and manslaughter. I used the term murder, not homicide.

Raping a woman and then bludgeoning her to death with a hammer in order to prevent her from reporting the rape would be murder, not manslaughter—felony murder because of the accompanying sexual assault.

Even if you believe that he killed her in a rage because she said she was going to report him for sexual harrassment, that would still be 2nd-degree murder here in Michigan. For it to be 1st-degree manslaughter, you would have to believe that the rage was provoked by the victim. No jury is going to buy that a sexual harasser was provoked by a victim who stood up for herself against the harassment. It would be an easy 2nd-degree murder conviction.
 
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Updated a lot.
Vanessa Guillen Case Archive:
Vanessa Guillen -TX- by amanda reckonwith

Cell phone users may have trouble with that link, so try this and scroll:
7/3/20 site where Vanessa was found

For those who are new to "Case Archives" it is simply a photobucket account. I pay for it, it doesn't give me income. It is a safe link.
I save everything I can about a particular case (there are over 150 cases in my files, and Vanessa is one of them). I do the case from beginning to end,
even it takes years, I try to keep them current. You can click on "Library" to find other cases as well. Well-known like Caylee Anthony to obscure like
Charles Geurts.

Give them a click. I want to get to ten million views. Just for the heck of it. I don't get paid, I just do this because I know a lot of you are best following
a case with visuals as I am. Plus when the case does come to trial, you don't have to follow a hundred links, it is all in 1 place!

Library: amanda reckonwith's Library
Drop-down list at left contains cases in alphabetical order by first name.
 

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I hate to say this, because it's been awhile since I was active duty, but some officers have little respect for enlisted personnel's moral character. Sort of like pre civil war when slave 'owners' had no respect for the personal body of the slaves. (I'm not agreeing, I'm explaining.) The slave owners didn't consider the slaves as 'humans' and treated them like (sorry) ****. So, many officers don't think highly of or have respect for enlisted personnel, considering them too inferior to have morals. (Did I explain this clearly?)
I don't want to get deleted for speaking what I understood as the truth.
Male enlisted, in particular, usually seemed to believe females were there for one reason only. (You don't get a prize for guessing correctly the first time.) I hated the way I was treated on base by a lot of the other units when I got to my first permanent party assignment. I had to take a guy with me to the mess hall.
Any questions?

"I had to take a guy with me to the mess hall. "

Memories come flooding back with this case. I have forgot. It's been a long time. With your statement, I clearly recall the feeling of stepping into the mess hall and having so many eyes turn on me because I was one of the only women there. It was absolutely freaky. Had to find someone safe to sit with. Many women wouldn't go to the mess hall. I only did a few times, ate in my room instead. More comfortable.

You are correct, humans can easily objectify other humans in particular scenarios, that is why we have governments, constitutions and visions, to create a sane and functional civilization and standards that keep us "human"and not animal.

With the military it is a particular challenge but one that must be overcome, it is paramount.

My mentor, a Woman's Studies professor provided me with a reading by Carolyn Gage years ago. The chain of oppression - pass it back or pass it on. Pass it back by confronting the tyrant and if the tyrant is dead one must tell the story so the pain is not buried in the subconscious left to seek closure and repeat or act out the story again passing it on.
Emily Bronte said the tyrant grinds down on his slaves and they don't turn against them, they crush those beneath them. So it is in the military, or can be.

In the military, through objectification, it is easier to pass on the pain of tyranny and that is why this story must be told and military culture must be improved. VGs case must come out with the full truth, the story must be told so the pain is not buried for all the troops. I've been out a long time. This brings me pain, but I speak when so many others remained silent in supposed protection, but perhaps only to pass onthe pain, the inhuman culture.

Change. It's a thing. It's survival and institutions that can't change self destruct.
 
I understand and agree with you that when we hear hoof-beats we should think of horses, not zebras.

How do you think the reports by Vanessa to her family and others about harassment (walking in on her showering, following her and making inappropriate comments, etc.) fit into this?

MOO.

If the Army would clarify ARs rank it would help.
Why did Robinson meet with the family?
Because he was the person she was on the way to seeing when she disappeared?
Or because he was her supervisor.

MOO think he may have had a set of temp stripes, if not and he was doing E5 duties without authority, that is a command problem.

The Army for obvious reasons does not want this to be sergeant on private crime, so they are working to get them percieved as peer E4s.
The 2 star self-servingly at the PC called VG a "Specialist" in his rambling press conference.
MOO that's step one of the same old game plan, minimize, delay, distract and deny.

MOO based on the skillful story AR gave CA, that he killed VG "for their love," and how hard it was to solve due to ARs assertive actions, to me it appears that AR was very smart and able to work people's perceptions, AKA a skillful and confident liar.

MOO since AR ended up a murderer, it would not be a stretch to say he almost certainly very creepy before hand, but given his people skills was able to hide it from everyone except his target.
 
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According to his girlfriend, Vanessa saw pictures of CA on his phone and threatened to report him for adultery. He told her he wasn't going to let her ruin his career and struck her repeatedly in the head with a hammer.

There was allegedly blood all over the armory room but he managed to clean up the crime scene in 43 minutes without anybody ever noticing a thing. Either he didn't leave behind a trace of blood, or they never looked for it.

CA can say what she says AR said. Even if semi truthful, its a game of telephone.

MOO all her assertions should be prefaced with "alleged."
 
Yup, and if my interpretation is correct, he was being held at the barracks and not allowed to leave? Then someone definitely turn the other way and let him leave, MOO.
AR is the killer but the culture there certainly made it easier for her death..

You make an excellent point. I would love to know how they handled his detention, how he got out. And why he was only held in the barracks. I think you are right. If the culture is to be changed those incidents are intolerable and anyone aiding him in leaving needs to be held accountable. As well as those suppressing the truth.
 
I'm familiar with the differences between murder and manslaughter. I used the term murder, not homicide.

Raping a woman a then bludgeoning her to death with a hammer in order to prevent her from reporting the rape would be murder, not manslaughter—felony murder because of the accompanying sexual assault.

Even if you believe that he killed her in a rage because she said she was going to report him for sexual harrassment, that would still be 2nd-degree murder here in Michigan. For it to be 1st-degree manslaughter, you would have to believe that the rage was provoked by the victim. No jury is going to buy that a sexual harasser was provoked by a victim who stood up for herself against the harassment. It would be an easy 2nd-degree murder conviction.
Yes, I was referring to the statement that if someone kills someone in a rage they will be charged with murder. In some states, such as New York, that's not always the case.

Texas does not distinguish between voluntary and involuntary manslaughter so the charge would have been murder either way.

Imo
 
Voluntary manslaughter is still a homicide. It is sometimes termed a "crime of passion," when a person acts suddenly in a fit of jealousy or rage. Imo

I doubt it will influence the charges against CA, although we don't know the whole story yet. We probably never will.
I am not certain, but I think if you called 911 and said, oh no, I knocked over a bookcase and I think she's dead, I didn't mean to, I feel so guilty, then maybe prosecutors might look at involuntary manslaughter.

Whereas if you used a hammer, when you are not a carpenter and have no reason to have a hammer, and then secretly remove and cut up her body into pieces and bury it, denying you know anything about it while everyone is in anguish about her being missing, then no one is going to let you claim involuntary manslaughter.

MOO
 
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