Found Deceased TX - PFC Vanessa Guillen, 20, Fort Hood military base, items left behind, 22 Apr 2020 *arrests* #3

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Boxer said:
CA can say what she says AR said. Even if semi truthful, its a game of telephone.

MOO all her assertions should be prefaced with "alleged."
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Yes, that was the story she reportedly told to investigators.

She first claimed that AR was with her throughout the night on the 22nd and early in the morning on the 23rd. When investigators asked why there were so many phone calls from him while he was in the residence with her she claimed he called her phone because she had lost it and they were trying to locate it.

She then admitted during another interview that they went for a drive to clear her head and look at the stars.

I don't think we will ever get the true story but I still think she may have known he had made advances towards Vanessa and may have been jealous.

I would also like to know what conversations she had with him throughout the day on the 22nd and what time the phone calls were. Maybe she lied about him cleaning the crime scene between 10:13 and 11:30 am, or whatever the timeframe was, because she was hiding what she knew about the circumstances before and after the murder.

I'm sure there is a lot more to the story than what is in the affidavit.
 
Boxer said:
If the Army would clarify ARs rank it would help.
Why did Robinson meet with the family?
Because he was the person she was on the way to seeing when she disappeared?
Or because he was her supervisor.

MOO think he may have had a set of temp stripes, if not and he was doing E5 duties without authority, that is a command problem.

The Army for obvious reasons does not want this to be sergeant on private crime, so they are working to get them percieved as peer E4s.
The 2 star self-servingly at the PC called VG a "Specialist" in his rambling press conference.
MOO that's step one of the same old game plan, minimize, delay, distract and deny.

MOO based on the skillful story AR gave CA, that he killed VG "for their love," and how hard it was to solve due to ARs assertive actions, to me it appears that AR was very smart and able to work people's perceptions, AKA a skillful and confident liar.

MOO since AR ended up a murderer, it would not be a stretch to say he almost certainly very creepy before hand, but given his people skills was able to hide it from everyone except his target.
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CA has a criminal history in both Jackson Michigan and Texas. I wonder if AR does. I remember squirming in my seat during in processing because the guy next to me confided his criminal history. Military has no problem taking in some criminals. Had a neighbor where it was either join the military or go to jail.

Yes, I do see CA wishing to be a part of ARs attention however she is twisted and sadistic so it could go beyond AR manipulating her perceptions but playing on her dark side, she talks about in"love" on social media. Some stuff there, a normal person wouldn't say. I don't think either one of them is "normal", but I don't know if it is because of sociopathic tendencies, an abusive upbringing or culture.

Unfortunately sometimes people skills and hiding creepiness inside some military cultures isn't necessary but creepiness can become acceptable, even the status quo. I just don't know the particular situation, only possibilities. There are some outstanding groups in the military and there are some very sick ones also. It's a leadership and accountability thing. I agree with you 100 percent on leadership being lacking here. Twisting things. Hiding things. Not coming out with the complete truth and perpetuating the problem.
They need to come out with why Robinson met the family and what everyone's real rank was. Delay? You say. Delay and repeat. They don't deal with this now, they will have to deal with it later again and again. A fools errand.
 
Satchie said:
I am not certain, but I think if you called 911 and said, oh no, I knocked over a bookcase and I think she's dead, I didn't mean to, I feel so guilty, then maybe prosecutors might look at involuntary manslaughter.

Whereas if you used a hammer, when you are not a carpenter and have no reason to have a hammer, and then secretly remove and cut up her body into pieces and bury it, denying you know anything about it while everyone is in anguish about her being missing, then no one is going to let you claim involuntary manslaughter.

MOO
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Yes, it would only apply if the perpetrator was under extreme emotional or mental distress, was not in control of their actions, and there is no "cooling off" period.

The typical example is of a man coming home to find his wife with someone else. Jmo

In this case there is the suspicious phone call requesting that Vanessa go the arms room under Robinson's control. We still don't know what time the phone calls from Aguilar occurred.

He apparently happened to have a hammer and cleaning supplies on hand since he was able to clean up the crime scene and hide her body in a container in 43 minutes. Allegedly.

He must have been pretty confident that her body would be undiscovered until around 6:00 when he went back to move the pelican case. Was he normally the only person with a key?
 
AmandaReckonwith said:
Updated a lot.
Vanessa Guillen Case Archive:
Vanessa Guillen -TX- by amanda reckonwith

Cell phone users may have trouble with that link, so try this and scroll:
7/3/20 site where Vanessa was found

For those who are new to "Case Archives" it is simply a photobucket account. I pay for it, it doesn't give me income. It is a safe link.
I save everything I can about a particular case (there are over 150 cases in my files, and Vanessa is one of them). I do the case from beginning to end,
even it takes years, I try to keep them current. You can click on "Library" to find other cases as well. Well-known like Caylee Anthony to obscure like
Charles Geurts.

Give them a click. I want to get to ten million views. Just for the heck of it. I don't get paid, I just do this because I know a lot of you are best following
a case with visuals as I am. Plus when the case does come to trial, you don't have to follow a hundred links, it is all in 1 place!

Library: amanda reckonwith's Library
Drop-down list at left contains cases in alphabetical order by first name.
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What a wonderful person you are , thank you for all you do.
 
CronesEye said:
You make an excellent point. I would love to know how they handled his detention, how he got out. And why he was only held in the barracks. I think you are right. If the culture is to be changed those incidents are intolerable and anyone aiding him in leaving needs to be held accountable. As well as those suppressing the truth.
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According to another poster that during an NG interview it was said AR escaped from the MP building during some questioning. Haven't seen that interview.

Ft. Hood. Wow.
Do they never follow procedures there?
 
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MsBetsy said:
Yes, that was the story she reportedly told to investigators.
She first claimed that AR was with her throughout the night on the 22nd and early in the morning on the 23rd. When investigators asked why there were so many phone calls from him while he was in the residence with her she claimed he called her phone because she had lost it and they were trying to locate it.

She then admitted during another interview that they went for a drive to clear her head and look at the stars.

I don't think we will ever get the true story but I still think she may have known he had made advances towards Vanessa and may have been jealous.

I would also like to know what conversations she had with him throughout the day on the 22nd and what time the phone calls were. Maybe she lied about him cleaning the crime scene between 10:13 and 11:30 am, or whatever the timeframe was, because she was hiding what she knew about the circumstances before and after the murder.

I'm sure there is a lot more to the story than what is in the affidavit.
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So agree.
If that is her horrible story, told to minimize her crime, the real story may be way worse, such as VG was not yet dead when taken to the river.
 
MsBetsy said:
Yes, it would only apply if the perpetrator was under extreme emotional or mental distress, was not in control of their actions, and there is no "cooling off" period.

The typical example is of a man coming home to find his wife with someone else. Jmo

In this case there is the suspicious phone call requesting that Vanessa go the arms room under Robinson's control. We still don't know what time the phone calls from Aguilar occurred.

He apparently happened to have a hammer and cleaning supplies on hand since he was able to clean up the crime scene and hide her body in a container in 43 minutes. Allegedly.

He must have been pretty confident that her body would be undiscovered until around 6:00 when he went back to move the pelican case. Was he normally the only person with a key?
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The military does debriefings after operations to figure out how to better improve outcomes. Likewise, there never should have been a risk to VG, preventative measures should have been in place, a video camera, a buddy system, communications with 3rd party verification, there are many possibilities but there seems to be a huge failure here.

Hammer and cleaning supplies readily on hand suggests premeditation or assistance.

It just appears AR was his own command free to come and go at will and do whatever he wanted undetected. In that I wouldn't call him E-4, Sarg, or anything similar but perhaps Commander General. And yes, that is an intentional burn.
 
Boxer said:
Hours of concentrated labor chopping, burning her parts, digging graves, mixing cement, and watching the family in agony on TV. Cant they add decades qfor "aggravated


According to another poster that during an NG interview it was said AR escaped from the MP building during some questioning. Haven't seen that interview.

Ft. Hood. Wow.
Do they never follow procedures there?
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I thought I read a post where he was wearing women's clothing during the escape, so I hope they weren't questioning him during his escape.

How many times have we seen complete lockdowns of bases lately when something off happens or a threat occurs? So I have a hard time accepting his escape wasn't allowed or even preferred, someone knowing that he would commit suicide if caught and better if that happened off base than on.
 
CronesEye said:
I thought I read a post where he was wearing women's clothing during the escape, so I hope they weren't questioning him during his escape.

How many times have we seen complete lockdowns of bases lately when something off happens or a threat occurs? So I have a hard time accepting his escape wasn't allowed or even preferred, someone knowing that he would commit suicide if caught and better if that happened off base than on.
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Yes. His escape and suicide is very suspicious.
They knew he was at the River location where her items were found. That should have had him securely locked up.
 
CronesEye said:
The military does debriefings after operations to figure out how to better improve outcomes. Likewise, there never should have been a risk to VG, preventative measures should have been in place, a video camera, a buddy system, communications with 3rd party verification, there are many possibilities but there seems to be a huge failure here.

Hammer and cleaning supplies readily on hand suggests premeditation or assistance.

It just appears AR was his own command free to come and go at will and do whatever he wanted undetected. In that I wouldn't call him E-4, Sarg, or anything similar but perhaps Commander General. And yes, that is an intentional burn.
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It does seem unusual that he was trusted with having the responsibility and control of an arms room.

If he was twenty then he was likely in the army for two years? Three years at the most?

Is this unusual to you and is it common for someone of his rank to have control of an arms room?

Others with experience have mentioned the buddy system as well. Is that something that is required or suggested?

It will be interesting to know what the FBI finds in their investigation of Fort Hood. I hope it will bring about some changes.
 
Boxer said:
Yes. His escape and suicide is very suspicious.
They knew he was at the River location where her items were found. That should have had him securely locked up.
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"They knew he was at the River location where her items were found. That should have had him securely locked"

I'm having a real hard time with this case. It is shocking and demoralizing. This is my military? Or some foreign, oppressive, corrupt governments? How can this kind of failure exist in this civilized country. In an organization that was purposed to protect us? It makes me sick.

Sometimes I think we are going backwards instead of forwards.
 
CronesEye said:
"They knew he was at the River location where her items were found. That should have had him securely locked"

I'm having a real hard time with this case. It is shocking and demoralizing. This is my military? Or some foreign, oppressive, corrupt governments? How can this kind of failure exist in this civilized country. In an organization that was purposed to protect us? It makes me sick.

Sometimes I think we are going backwards instead of forwards.
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Investigators were also told a week after she went missing that he was seen that day struggling with the pelican case and lifting it onto his car.

They must have known he was the last person to see her and that he was alone with her.

I don't know if they secured a warrant for his car or when they searched the arms room but I would think there would have been blood evidence left behind.
 
Questions I would love answers to (forgive me if they've already been asked here, I'm new and a little confused as to which threads I've read all the way through but I could have missed something)

VG's Sister said cell last pinged 20m from base

Lawyer said she didn’t get off base alive

If Lawyer is right why DIDN’T anyone see crime scene? where she was killed? Who is authorized to enter armory rooms besides the people who work in them?

Can someone elaborate on what transpired during sister’s run in with ADR. What did she say to him and what was his reaction. Laughing sarcastically? Laughing for what reason? Why would he laugh? Besides the laughing what gave her the feeling he had something to do with it? Had Vanessa described them to her family?

What is ADR’s background where is his family and what do they have to say about this? Did he have any friends on base who have stated anything about his character? There doesn't seem to be much about him or his life besides being from Chicago.

Thanks so much for any insight!
 
MsBetsy said:
It does seem unusual that he was trusted with having the responsibility and control of an arms room.

If he was twenty then he was likely in the army for two years? Three years at the most?

Is this unusual to you and is it common for someone of his rank to have control of an arms room?

Others with experience have mentioned the buddy system as well. Is that something that is required or suggested?

It will be interesting to know what the FBI finds in their investigation of Fort Hood. I hope it will bring about some changes.
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There are different levels of security clearances and that would be a factor in arms supply,I would hope. While I learned how to shoot weapons, I never had experience with their inventory. From what I saw with government inventory you had to be somewhat trustworthy, but I am sure that varies.Personally, I maintained tows for submarines and my CPO would put a knife up to my face and arm and threaten my life while I was on the main tow controls, endangering both vessels should my arm possibly move and the consequent line slag cause the hulls to come into contact and puncture each other possibly bringing both vessels down being connected by multiple lines. That is my experience and why I am so adamant about change in military culture so women are not harassed and never have their lives at risk for simply existing in the military. It doesn't seem like much has changed. I served decades ago. You sought out your own protection back then. Changes were supposed to have been made. It has in word, but not in practice and there is much variation in different groups, it is a leadership thing, a culture and subculture thing. Some are more advanced than others, some do more than just lip service. I think a troop looks at what leadership will tolerate and look away from, then goes on from there. Your problem troops will go the limit with what they can get away with and influence others with borderline behavior. If one sees another getting away with it, they will be pressed to follow suit. Some troops come from bad childhood experiences where boundaries and rules didn't exist or protect them, so they are inclined to test limits and repeat abuses. That is why the military needs to have uniform rules, regulations and enforcement and above all absolutely the best leadership possible because that it where it begins and ends. Good leadership really isn't that hard, it's out there, there are just no consequences when it isn't.

All the protections in the world can be put down on a piece of paper but if leadership wants to ignore it, it's worthless.
 
MsBetsy said:
Investigators were also told a week after she went missing that he was seen that day struggling with the pelican case and lifting it onto his car.

They must have known he was the last person to see her and that he was alone with her.

I don't know if they secured a warrant for his car or when they searched the arms room but I would think there would have been blood evidence left behind.
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Even evidence of deep cleaning by bleach etc. is evidence of concealment.
 
Lemonslush said:
Questions I would love answers to (forgive me if they've already been asked here, I'm new and a little confused as to which threads I've read all the way through but I could have missed something)

VG's Sister said cell last pinged 20m from base

Lawyer said she didn’t get off base alive

If Lawyer is right why DIDN’T anyone see crime scene? where she was killed? Who is authorized to enter armory rooms besides the people who work in them?

Can someone elaborate on what transpired during sister’s run in with ADR. What did she say to him and what was his reaction. Laughing sarcastically? Laughing for what reason? Why would he laugh? Besides the laughing what gave her the feeling he had something to do with it? Had Vanessa described them to her family?

What is ADR’s background where is his family and what do they have to say about this? Did he have any friends on base who have stated anything about his character? There doesn't seem to be much about him or his life besides being from Chicago.

Thanks so much for any insight!
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"If Lawyer is right why DIDN’T anyone see crime scene? where she was killed? Who is authorized to enter armory rooms besides the people who work in them?"

Thank YOU for the insight!

Your post just made me aware it would be impossible for a weapons room to NOT be monitored, to NOT have a camera on it, considering the risk and fundamental mission capability element.

There has got to be code and regulations somewhere on the management and monitoring of weapons storage. And I bet they are supposed to be under video camera, under multiple layers of accountability.

On ARs background I was wondering if he had some connections, a father or uncle with rank. But oops. I don't think we are allowed to sleuth family. I am newer too. People other than suspects can be discussed indepth in websleuth inbox messaging though but I would get clarification on that from experienced members, not me.

I don't know anything about ARs background but was also wondering.

VGs sister had a gut or visceral reaction that something wasn't right about Robinson; VGs family knew she was being harassed and I think even stalked during her jogs.
 
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