AZ AZ - Robert William "Bobby" Fisher, Scottsdale, Apr 2001 *FBI Ten Most Wanted*

I don't think he stayed there. I think he walked out and caught a ride somewhere and disappeared, but who am I??? Could be totally wrong.

The only issue with this theory is that Blue stayed with the car. I'm pretty sure he wasn't tied up. Apparently that dog would have followed Fisher anywhere, so that's why investigators think that it's probable that he was picked up, rather than walking out to get a ride. But as far as getting a ride out somehow I totally agree with you.
 
Warning...wild speculation!

On page 250 of the police report a close friend of RF's said that RF started swimming frequently at El Dorado Park.

In addition to the water purification tablets, RF bought waterproof matches. (See store receipt on previous page.) Why waterproof matches?

The thought crossed my mind that maybe he planned to swim across the Rio Grande into Mexico??? :oops:

Swimmers Frequently Cross Rio Grande From Mexico Into Texas, Border Town Mayor Says | KTLA

She Swam Across The Rio Grande Into The U.S. When She Was 8 Years Old | Here & Now (wbur.org)
 
Warning...wild speculation!

On page 250 of the police report a close friend of RF's said that RF started swimming frequently at El Dorado Park.

In addition to the water purification tablets, RF bought waterproof matches. (See store receipt on previous page.) Why waterproof matches?

The thought crossed my mind that maybe he planned to swim across the Rio Grande into Mexico??? :oops:

Swimmers Frequently Cross Rio Grande From Mexico Into Texas, Border Town Mayor Says | KTLA

She Swam Across The Rio Grande Into The U.S. When She Was 8 Years Old | Here & Now (wbur.org)
WOW that never even occurred to me, thats a really interesting theory...now to figure out how far away the car was from the Rio Grande.

It looks unlikely since the Rio Grande borders Mexico and Texas; he'd be better off just walking across the border which was presumably easier then than now, but regardless swimming is good exercise and probably(?) makes it harder for tracking dogs. It was also very cold and snowing, and I am very unsure what the water situation around there is as far as depth of bodies of water if any.

Bodies sink much more readily in cold water (although I am not sure why) and are more likely to stay submerged for longer (slowed decomp, bacteria less able to replicate, etc) and it seems possible he would be overconfident in his swimming ability. But this is some level of wild speculation.

One thing I haven't been able to find any info on is what shape was the dog in? Hungry, dehydrated, and how easily could he have taken care of himself out there and for how long?
 
Rather than putting everything in one very long post, it made sense to me to split it up into multiple as they are different topics.

I keep hearing that he took "all his clothes" but how do they know and even if they can prove he did, why would he and why is it relevant? As the detectives point out, he is very regular looking with no really distinct features aside from the tooth which can be altered, and unless they know every single article of clothing he owned and they were all unique, blue jeans and t-shirt are not gonna stand out, but I keep coming back to 'how do they know?'
 
I keep hearing that he took "all his clothes" but how do they know and even if they can prove he did, why would he and why is it relevant? As the detectives point out, he is very regular looking with no really distinct features aside from the tooth which can be altered, and unless they know every single article of clothing he owned and they were all unique, blue jeans and t-shirt are not gonna stand out, but I keep coming back to 'how do they know?'

Agreed. There are a number of claims that commonly get repeated about the case that I find factually questionable, and "he took all this clothes" is at the top of that list.
The Where is Robert Fisher? documentary includes some photos of the interior of the house after the fire, and it's hard to recognize much of anyting. I suppose they could be basing the assertion on comparing the debris found in Fisher's room to other rooms in the house, but it seems like a dubious claim to say "all."

Another assertion about the case that I'm skeptical about is the claim that they "only fingerprint" they found in the SUV was on a coffee mug. That doesn't make logical sense to me. Mary usually drove the SUV used it to take the kids to school/church, so their fingerprints should have been all over it. Does LE really mean that the vehicle was devoid of all fingerprints, like someone had wiped it down? Or do they simply mean that of all the fingerprints they recovered from the scene, the only one clearly placing Robert Fisher there was on the coffee mug? The latter scenario seems way more plausible to me. I grant the former scenario isn't impossible, but again, I really wish LE would say what they mean.
 
In the police report, they list 9 fingerprints as being lifted, including one from the coffee mug. I agree, the way it is portrayed is that the car was wiped down BUT they also said it was clean as a whistle, and both of those are refuted on p 58 of the police report. It is not stated who the prints belong to in the reports. I can understand if fingerprints can't be traced to the kids or Mary but they can indicate that the prints are 'likely' from a kid based on size. It is also reported in interview(s) that he was fanatical about the vehicles being kept clean, (and my car is desperately in need of being cleaned, I fully admit) but there was still the detritus of normal life; report card, toys, wrapper, etc and "dried pine needles throughout" (p58 or so) and a "moderate coating of dirt"

I found in an article Report portrays suspect in family killing as cruel, controlling that 1,300 pages of police reports had been released to them but the reports @PommyMommy found (again TYVM!!!) has like 500.

The documentary also came out a decade after the event, so memories are likely fading and we don't know what access they had or took, plus there is evidence that they aren't giving us (and rightfully so, they have to be able to keep some things back cause active case, etc.)

I do wish they would clarify even if not directly, that they "have strong evidence" that he didn't commit suicide.

Also don't get me wrong, he is a monster, but it seems like there are worse people out there than him who should be on the FBI's 'top ten' most wanted... somewhat unrelated, but does the 'top ten' have unknown killers, such as the Zodiac? Not him specifically, just one that springs to mind given the recent news about him.

Also, and this is WILD speculation/curiosity and in NO WAY has any evidence to back it up, but does anyone feel like his family might not inform if they knew his location? That is entirely my unverified, biased personal opinion.
 
William Robert Fisher
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FBI

From the FBI's list of 10 Most Wanted:

After Bishop, Fisher stands accused of one of the most gruesome crimes of all the Most Wanted criminals — killing his wife and two children.

In April 2001, neighbors heard Fisher and his wife, Mary, fighting after she discovered he'd been having a second affair... Investigators speculated his wife planned to leave him, and that he'd rather kill than see his family destroyed.

Fisher's children, Brittney, 12, and Bobby, 10, were also at home that night.

The next day, he allegedly shot his wife and chased down his children to slit their throats. Then, he allegedly lit a match in front of the open gas stove, effectively blowing up their house in Scottsdale, Ariz.

And then Fisher disappeared. Ten days later, authorities found the family vehicle in the mountains near Payson, Ariz. with the family dog and a Raiders hat inside.

Fisher made the Most Wanted list in 2002. The FBI continues to receive thousands of tips, both nationally and internationally...

The bureau believes Fisher, now 52, has likely changed his appearance to avoid capture.

LINK:

Meet The 10 Most Wanted Fugitives In America
 
WOW that never even occurred to me, thats a really interesting theory...now to figure out how far away the car was from the Rio Grande.

It looks unlikely since the Rio Grande borders Mexico and Texas; he'd be better off just walking across the border which was presumably easier then than now, but regardless swimming is good exercise and probably(?) makes it harder for tracking dogs. It was also very cold and snowing, and I am very unsure what the water situation around there is as far as depth of bodies of water if any.

Bodies sink much more readily in cold water (although I am not sure why) and are more likely to stay submerged for longer (slowed decomp, bacteria less able to replicate, etc) and it seems possible he would be overconfident in his swimming ability. But this is some level of wild speculation.

One thing I haven't been able to find any info on is what shape was the dog in? Hungry, dehydrated, and how easily could he have taken care of himself out there and for how long?
It was cold and snowing where the vehicle was found but not down on the border. I just picked El Paso (out of the clear blue sky :p ) as a reference and the average temps in April 2001 were mid-80's. El Paso, TX Weather Calendar | Weather Underground (wunderground.com)

About the dog...

Tip on Robert Fisher in Colorado results in arrest of 2 (azcentral.com)
The family dog, Blue, was found in the area, alive but apprehensive. A veterinarian would confirm that he had not recently been fed, leading authorities to believe Fisher had arrived days earlier.

Have you seen the documentary below? If you start at about the 48 min mark, investigators discuss finding the car. Hugh Lockerby, Lead Detective, says they didn't find anything in the car except DNA on a hat and one of RF's fingerprints on a coffee cup. But after that, there is discussion about the dog.

 
Rather than putting everything in one very long post, it made sense to me to split it up into multiple as they are different topics.

I keep hearing that he took "all his clothes" but how do they know and even if they can prove he did, why would he and why is it relevant? As the detectives point out, he is very regular looking with no really distinct features aside from the tooth which can be altered, and unless they know every single article of clothing he owned and they were all unique, blue jeans and t-shirt are not gonna stand out, but I keep coming back to 'how do they know?'
A shot from inside the home (56:15 mark in the same documentary video).

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Also see photo 6 at the link below - buckets of partially burned items.

Robert Fisher among FBI tweets on anniversary of most wanted list (azcentral.com)
 
@MM&M, thank you for clarifying about the prints found in the SUV! That’s different than how I’ve seen it reported elsewhere, but that makes a lot more sense.

As for your other thought, I would certainly hope that people would have reported subsequent contact with him, but I don’t know for sure. If he did leave Gila County alive, I feel like someone had to assist him with getting out.
 
@PommyMommy ty for the article about the dog. I did watch the documentary but I didn't feel that they detailed what condition the dog was in so far as food/water.
@retrometro I agree, it seems the chance of him getting out alone are very slim. I was gonna say "who would help someone like that?" but then I remembered all the serial killer groupies, the ones who fall in love with them :/

So informal poll, who thinks he killed himself/died shortly after the murders, or who thinks he got out of the area with or without assistance and is living somewhere under an assumed identity? I'm just curious
 
So informal poll, who thinks he killed himself/died shortly after the murders, or who thinks he got out of the area with or without assistance and is living somewhere under an assumed identity? I'm just curious

I lean slightly in the direction of thinking he killed himself in the wilderness not long after the murders. It fits Occam’s Razor based on publicly-known evidence.

That having been said, I understand why people speculate about the possibility that he’s still alive, and I’ve previously engaged in such speculation myself. I would also like to think that LE has good reasons for keeping him on the FBI Most Wanted list that are more specific than “he’s a monster.”
 
If BF is still alive, wondering if he might try to put his experience as a respiratory specialist to work, given that there may be a shortage of them during the pandemic.
Wondering if he might be in NY, where "it all began"?
speculation, imo.
Robert William Fisher - Wikipedia

''He has worked as a surgical catheter technician, respiratory therapist, and firefighter, and was an avid outdoorsman, hunter, and fisherman.[1]''

''Robert William Fisher was born on April 13, 1961 in Brooklyn, New York.[2] His parents were William Fisher, a banker, and Jan Howell. He has two sisters with whom he attended Sahuaro High School in Tuscon, Arizona. Fisher's parents divorced in 1976, when he was 15. According to friends and relatives, the divorce was very turbulent and unsettling, leaving long-lasting effects on Fisher. He reportedly spoke of it with co-workers at Mayo Clinic Hospital and once confided to an associate that his life would have been different had Jan not left the family.[3]''
 
If BF is still alive, wondering if he might try to put his experience as a respiratory specialist to work, given that there may be a shortage of them during the pandemic.
Wondering if he might be in NY, where "it all began"?
speculation, imo.

That's an interesting thing to ponder. I think if he did, it would not be from a place of altruism, but rather seeking validation as being a "healthcare hero." That seems so strange to me, knowing the hearts of the medical workers that I know, but seems like a much better reason for Fisher to show himself.

The big obstacle would be licensing though. He'd have to sit for exams and likely do practicum hours in order to get his (presumably lapsed) license back. It's not unheard of to see imposters in the healthcare field but it just seems like it would be way too risky at this point for him to even try. But if he really needed a big ego stroke, who knows? His mind obviously works very differently than yours and mine!
 
The most dangerous time to be involved with a paranoid controlling individual is when they fear they're losing control.

In abusive relationships the most dangerous time is when the abused attempts to leave, or end the relationship. that is why Battered women's shelters operate covertly to get victims out of the dangerous situation they are in

To a insignificant control freak something like his wife taking charge and possibly ending their marriage, against his desires would superseded his controlling way, that could be enough to push such an individual to act violently.

Though there was no evidence he was outwardly physically abusive there was evidence of emotional and psychological abuse.

In MANY cases, there's little outward sign of any trouble, until you look a little deeper into the relationship and if you know what your looking for you can often spot even potentially fatal red flags on the horizon. Since this is all hindsight, its 20/20

What you see is an individual who attempted to control all of those around him from his sisters love life to his own wife and children, in some cases, its not at all uncommon the following a divorce, male child starts to feel he is the man of the house.

Arrogance sometimes develops to compensate for inadequacy in adolescence m however in some individuals they lack the social skills to have a group of friends around them therefore its not until they meet someone willing to listen to their boasts that they feel they can say what they want.

In many cases, a woman looking for a guy who doesn't party much (because he doesn't have a large circle of friends) sticks to himself, likes, to hunt and fish, has served in the military , is in good shape and makes a decent wage is a catch, she's not asking for much is willing to deal with his controlling ways, accepts him both physically and emotionally (at first) therefore she becomes the perfect victim in their eyes.

And I mean "victim"

Individuals like this will often overcompensate for their inadequacies by a sometimes muted bravado, sometimes its not so muted and outright horrible , but something like trophy hunting or survivalism, and bragging about their abilities, bragging about how many sexual partners they had, would be examples, but that's not limited to just "manly" type activities, those who are religious devotees, they may claim to be more religious than others...they have few real friends or even emotional bonds , they want to be viewed as virile in some cases, macho but only where it counts to those close to him.

They tend to be reclusive in nature, which adds to the difficulty in apprehending them as they are completely fine out of the way, and can often find means on their own.

When they get into a relationship they often want to move quickly from dating to marriage to children, they invest everything in this little world they created, though it may be pure hell for everyone else in it, its their way or no way. they can be insanely jealous, at times, they tend to want to control all aspects of the marriage, money etc, they are often paranoid of outside influence, will do everything in their power to limit it, sometimes making them cut off friends and associates, making them account for their time and expenses, they control it its theirs, and so are the unlucky people in it .

They view the situation as a whole, everything in it is theirs, however, when that world is threatened as w whole they have zero issue disposing of it , including those in it. His wife , his children, their home ... At that point its an affront to his entire personna, one he will do away with because if he cant have it (the control, the false images, he created as a loving father and a good guy, the strong , hunter who can survive anything) none else will have it either.

Though there may not be these extremes in this case, those are common factors.

The victim taking control over a situation like that is him losing everything in his mind, and he wasn't going to have that . Especially if through infidelity they can mar his image and reputation.

The method of killing his wife and children is cold and efficient, the knife was most likely used because its silent compared to a gun, its also a means to prevent cry out. Its also very messy, he hoped the explosion and fire would destroy and scatter evidence enough that it would take long enough to find out what happened that he could be far away.

People don't pack all their clothes and take out money to go kill themselves.

Id think it was premeditated to the point that he had enough accelerant in the house to burn it down almost completely but I cant be certain what was used.

Did he have an accomplice? maybe, im not 100% certain he'd be living off the land for years now, I think he may've met someone who gave him a ride out of the area , possibly to the border where it wasnt as hard to cross back then .

The old adage is that people disappear south of the border, i think that's a likely scenario whether or not hell ever be apprehended or is even still alive is up for debate .
 
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If BF is still alive, wondering if he might try to put his experience as a respiratory specialist to work, given that there may be a shortage of them during the pandemic.
Wondering if he might be in NY, where "it all began"?

Maybe not as a respiratory specialist, but I could envision RF working in a low-level medical job that doesn't require credentialing or that has a fairly easy credential to obtain (like a medical assistant or unit clerk). The more I think about it, the more I have difficulty imagining him in a patient-facing role. It doesn't seem to fit with what we know about his personality to begin with, and I can't imagine that it would be a wise choice for a fugitive.

The New York idea is interesting. Supposedly he didn't like to travel to unfamiliar areas, but there was that phone tip from Chester, Virginia in August 2001 that would have placed him in the eastern United States. (Side note: I've always found it interesting that Detective Kirkham made a statement about that particular lead, which doesn't seem very strong to me. I wonder if Kirkham really believed Fisher was in Virginia, or if he was trying to trick Fisher into letting his guard down somewhere else).
 
I just don’t think he could be invisible in Mexico this long.
He was seen leaving a nearby cafe with a woman around the time his vehicle and dog were found. I don’t believe he is or was ever in the area after that. My mind keeps going back to that guy in Canada. I know the LE said it wasn’t him, but I can’t get past it. I wish I knew more about that guy.
 

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