GUILTY UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, found deceased, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #25

[astheworldfallsdown]

Here's hoping they can reach a verdict quickly now and PR doesn't see the outside of prison walls for a very very long time JMO

 

[Officer Dibble]

I will also be checking in here regularly and was a bit wide eyed reading what the Judge will accept.

 

[havntgotaclue]

Also got

I think Sophie got her sums wrong ..... Day Six in my calendar

Judges directions to jury wrong as well how can you have a majority of 11 to 2 with a jury of 12. very slack reporting

 

[Skigh]

Also got

Judges directions to jury wrong as well how can you have a majority of 11 to 2 with a jury of 12. very slack reporting

A reporting error quickly rectified. I imagine the reporter wanted to quickly send the information and pressed the wrong number on their phone and then saw the mistake after the message was sent.Easily done.

 

[Newthoughts]

For me PRs defence is full of lies so all I can really tell from that is he is lying ..in this case where 3 different ( all serious) crimes are involved his lies and behaviour could be down to either of the possible crimes.
His defence being worthless other than that takes me to look at the prosecution case and what parts have been proven.
For me I'd be sure he took her to the back of the park and raped her ...so thats my starting point to the rest of what happened..not oak rd
Because the prosecution case have shown she was towards the river and Because the rape was only 15min after she seemed to walk to the car.. for me ..her having as much time as needed ..she could have managed to get up and no matter how awkwardly or slowly reached the rivers edge ...its possible as no piece of evidence tells us its not . There are some areas near the boathouse with no reeds and a direct drop into the river.
His actions on returning to Oak Road for the third time can be seen in different ways ..eg..knowing she would not be there , thinking it was ok because for his mind he'd done not much wrong , to remove evidence he had left, to hope to rape her again after his pornfest.
Too many possibilities for me to be sure

Sorry long post ...anyway all been said before so thats where I stand till we he hear more based on the little we know...fingers crossed for libbys family today

Interesting. For your first point all PRs lies are self serving and to protect himself - they're not random. They literally change to match evidence.

If I thought there was a remote chance of Libby being found I'll tailor my lies to account for the rape early on. I'd calculate at the point of arrest there would be a better than remote chance she'd be found. Unless I knew different. So I'd be introducing the sex defence early on.

I wouldn't return to the scene that night either. Too risky if she's reported it. Even if it was my thing. Plenty of time when the police had departed.

I wouldn't be out where police might be looking either. Girl raped - patrol cars would be out IMO

For your second point Libby was falling over a lot as per witnesses. On pavements. You've started from the point where PRs has taken her so you've made a very reasonable assumption of where misadventure starts.

But like PRs other lies I would have to interpret remaining outside the park as having some purpose to protect him.

Therefore I'd assume he didn't want to admit to being in the park. But the sex story remains the same. So why that lie?

I'd also think I could only interpret misadventure from outside the park because that's all he's given me to work with. I can't give him a benefit of the doubt he hasn't given himself for some reason. I can't place her starting point anywhere in that park without some guidance.

So I think it unlikely based on the experts accounts and the sheer ratio of dry land to river that she could do it. I can't conjure a starting point because PR hasn't. So his lie is suspicious. It's also removed misadventure

 

[Lyall0814]

Conan Doyle would be loving your work Newthoughts

 

[Cherwell]

Whatever else, they surely must find him guilty of rape. There can't be any doubt over that.

 

[jamjim]

No verdict update yet, just some info HDM has posted:

11:29
Why a judge can accept a majority verdict

Justice Lambert has told the jury she would accept a majority verdict as they reach a sixth day of deliberations.

To find out more about when and why a majority verdict can be accepted click here:

Libby Squire murder trial: Why jury can reach a majority verdict

 

[Blondiexoxo]

I’m starting to think it’s going to be manslaughter now. After the re read of Dr Lyall’s testimony yesterday, it was basically full of ‘could have’ ‘may have’ ‘cannot be sure’, I think they are wondering whether they can convict without a cause of death. The laceration on the inside of Libby’s lip was the only info to me that supports asphyxiation, all other injuries couldn’t be ruled out as having happened post mortem.

I’m getting nervous, I have no doubt he murdered Libby but the jury must go off what’s presented to them, although I believe his previous crimes point to him having progressed to murder when he encountered Libby that night.

Please let it be today! I think the majority verdict direction could possibly speed it up now.

 

[Blondiexoxo]

If Libby had been found buried in a shallow grave or concealed somewhere then it would have been slam dunk for murder. The fact she was found in the water let’s the defense throw up the possibility she died accidentally, but PR raping her caused her death whether it was accidental or not because he took her to that area instead of back home where she wanted to go! Testimony proves that Libby didn’t want to go to that park, she wanted to go home. So he kidnapped her, took her to that area and raped her, and she ultimately died as a result of him taking her to that area to attack her, he showed he meant serious harm by raping her so her death was atleast caused by his actions. Whether he meant to kill her or not the intent for serious harm was there.

 

[havntgotaclue]

Also got

I think Sophie got her sums wrong ..... Day Six in my calendar

Judges directions to jury wrong as well how can you have a majority of 11 to 2 with a jury of 12. very slack reporting

Whatever else, they surely must find him guilty of rape. There can't be any doubt over that.

My thoughts too over rape cherwell

 

[Tortoise]

I think I can hear the sound of heels being dug in.

 

[Newthoughts]

I hope Libby gets justice but I'm not hopeful. That's all her parents have left now - getting her justice. I have no reasonable doubts at all that it's murder

 

[jamjim]

No verdict update yet

11:51
No reaction from Pawel Relowicz

Pawel Relowicz did not react to the news a majority verdict will be accepted.

Our reporter at court Sophie Corcoran said: "He was just emotionless and stoic as he has been throughout much of the trial."

Libby Squire trial live as judge tells jury she will accept majority verdicts

 

[Chambo1994]

Does the ratio change as days go on for a verdict?

i.e. the judge has said this morning she’s happy to accept a 10-2, if that doesn’t get anywhere does she change to 8-4?

I guess that would be the final chance of reaching a verdict?

 

[Skigh]

No verdict update yet

11:51
No reaction from Pawel Relowicz

Pawel Relowicz did not react to the news a majority verdict will be accepted.

Our reporter at court Sophie Corcoran said: "He was just emotionless and stoic as he has been throughout much of the trial."

Libby Squire trial live as judge tells jury she will accept majority verdicts

I do not think stoic is a word I would use to describe his behaviour in court.

 

[Tortoise]

Does the ratio change as days go on for a verdict?

i.e. the judge has said this morning she’s happy to accept a 10-2, if that doesn’t get anywhere does she change to 8-4?

I guess that would be the final chance of reaching a verdict?

10 is the lowest, while there are 12 of them.

 

[Chambo1994]

10 is the lowest, while there are 12 of them.

So we are effectively now in the last stages of a verdict or hung jury.

That’s an awful situation for all involved, for all we know, it could be 6-6 in the room...

 

[Skigh]

I think I can hear the sound of heels being dug in.

For the want of something better to do whilst waiting to see if a verdict will come,
I am just trying to imagine what type of shoes the jury could be wearing and which are dug in.

 

[Alyce]

Does the ratio change as days go on for a verdict?

i.e. the judge has said this morning she’s happy to accept a 10-2, if that doesn’t get anywhere does she change to 8-4?

I guess that would be the final chance of reaching a verdict?

No it can only be 11-1 or 10 -2.
Am not sure how long Judge will wait before asking them if they are able to reach a verdict, but unlikely to let it go beyond tomorrow