GUILTY UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, found deceased, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #26

[C.greek]

The more I read on here, the more I learn, the more content I am that justice prevailed. He seemingly had one of the best defence barristers, CPS gave their best to convict him, the jury deliberated for what seemed like eternity, going over again and again apparently key evidence, the judge was completely impartial and to the point. Libby got justice and for this I am if I may say optimistic. I have faith in the state, the justice and the people asked to take part in such democratic processes. PR had a fair trial. Life was fairer for him than it was for Libby and for this I am deeply sad. At least, Libby can now fly high and when the time comes be reunited with her loved ones. Mixed bag of feelings. There, I got it off my chest

 

[Pinkizzy]

Do you mean that good lawyers should defend only wealthy and influential clients and ordinary people have no right to decent defence? I think it is offensive to Defence lawyers to imply this. *Another world* indeed! All people are equal and all deserve respectful treatment. Besides lawyers take oath to help their clients to the best of their ability. They chose their career as defence lawyers to help any accused. Did anybody force PR's lawyer to take this case?

Barristers follow the cab rank rule, don't they? A Solicitor approaches Chambers and the first available Barrister works on that case.

 

[Pinkizzy]

Duplicate post

 

[Ruthbullock]

Barristers follow the cab rank rule, don't they? A Solicitor approaches Chambers and the first available Barrister works on that case.

Never heard of that before, but they do follow cab rank rule (now I have read about it)- that doesn’t always mean the first available barrister works on the case.

 

[HongKongPhooey]

I think the defence barrister had his hands full with PR!

 

[Skigh]

I think the defence barrister had his hands full with PR!

Especially as he changed his story when standing in the dock.

Mr Saxby certainly earned his money defending PR.
I wonder how he felt seeing his client smirking and laughing in court and staring at Libby's parents.

 

[Dotta]

Barristers follow the cab rank rule, don't they? A Solicitor approaches Chambers and the first available Barrister works on that case.

I know - the same is in Poland. The closing question in my post was rhetorical one. Nobody *forced* the lawyer. He wanted to take this case although the client was an immigrant and certainly not wealthy one. I respect him.

 

[Dotta]

Especially as he changed his story when standing in the dock.

Mr Saxby certainly earned his money defending PR.
I wonder how he felt seeing his client smirking and laughing in court and staring at Libby's parents.

Job hazard?

 

[HongKongPhooey]

Job hazard?

When he took the case, he would also have known that it would be v high profile. Beautiful young girl, the circumstances, the other offences etc. What he cant have known is as Skigh said, how many times PR would change his story and even that he would take the stand.

 

[Dotta]

When he took the case, he would also have known that it would be v high profile. Beautiful young girl, the circumstances, the other offences etc. What he cant have known is as Skigh said, how many times PR would change his story and even that he would take the stand.

Touche! A tiny cynic in me agrees with you haha

 

[Kelly C]

Especially as he changed his story when standing in the dock.

Mr Saxby certainly earned his money defending PR.
I wonder how he felt seeing his client smirking and laughing in court and staring at Libby's parents.

This is going to sound really stupid but was he smirking in court? In all the court drawings he had a face mask on. Thank goodness! The less the parents saw of him and his expressions, the better IMO

 

[Marg from Oz]

Do men's prisons in England have female staff members? For someone who was so highly sexed, how is he coping these days? I am wondering if it continues with female staff. I wonder how often he has been written up. If he still persues his past time while in prison I can't see him ever getting out. MOO

 

[Cherwell]

I don't believe that's the case. If he had admitted to the rape he would still have been tried for murder.

“There was no doubt in my mind from the moment of Pawel Relowicz’s first arrest that he was responsible for Libby’s disappearance. Of course at that stage in the investigation, we didn’t know exactly what had happened to Libby, but it was clear to me and my team that our investigation would uncover the truth."
“On Thursday 24 October 2019, he was charged in connection with Libby’s rape and murder.

Pawel Relowicz convicted of the rape and murder of Libby Squire | Humberside Police

It's not up to the police though. I don't doubt for a moment that they wanted him tried for murder, but the decision lies with the CPS, and they won't prosecute unless they think there's enough evidence for a reasonable chance of a guilty verdict. It was quite a long tense wait before they charged him with murder. Even then they had to use his previous convictions as a main plank of evidence, and of course that usually isn't allowed.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Do men's prisons in England have female staff members? For someone who was so highly sexed, how is he coping these days? I am wondering if it continues with female staff. I wonder how often he has been written up. If he still persues his past time while in prison I can't see him ever getting out. MOO

I had a friend who was a probation officer at Wakefield years ago (around when Shipman hung himself there). Shame I lost touch with her really, could have tapped her up for some insider knowledge!

She was young and attractive and hard as nails, I remember her doing self defence courses. Her boyfriend hated her working there.

 

[Skigh]

Do men's prisons in England have female staff members? For someone who was so highly sexed, how is he coping these days? I am wondering if it continues with female staff. I wonder how often he has been written up. If he still persues his past time while in prison I can't see him ever getting out. MOO

I cannot see his fellow convicts taking kindly to him wanking in the corridors and leaving deposits on their cell doors.

 

[Inspector No Clueso]

It's been a long day but I for one will be hopefully sleeping a lot better than he is tonight. I hope that he is wanting his mother right now.
Before I conk out, I would like to thank those who have kept us updated on the progression of events, those who have educated me on points of law, forensics etc. but most of all, all of you for making me realise I wasn't crazy for spending so much time thinking about someone I never even knew.
I'll be going across to Hull at some point this coming week to clear out my son's place as the current situation has meant him moving back home for the foreseeable. I mention this because I will either be putting some flowers by her bench or scattering them in the park and, if that's okay, it will be on behalf of all of you.
However, I seem to remember from thread -107 or something, when I was lurking still (only on day 3 as member) that she liked white tulips??? If I have got that wrong and someone remembers exactly, could they please let me know - or confirm.

 

[HongKongPhooey]

I cannot see his fellow convicts taking kindly to him wanking in the corridors and leaving deposits on their cell doors.

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

I expect PR will get his own twisted fan mail. Probably including some ‘journalists’ out to provoke him into revealing his innermost whinges.

 

[Newthoughts]

This is going to sound really stupid but was he smirking in court? In all the court drawings he had a face mask on. Thank goodness! The less the parents saw of him and his expressions, the better IMO

I think his mask was off when he gave evidence and that seems to be when the smirking and laughing was noted

 

[Dotta]

I expect PR will get his own twisted fan mail. Probably including some ‘journalists’ out to provoke him into revealing his innermost whinges.

That's for sure! I once read about European women going to USA to meet pen pal prisoners on Death Row. Some even got married. Life is stranger than fiction.