Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #131

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First photo the lowest blue dot, in the center closest to the water. That is the approximate location, although slightly further right of that.

An easy way to remember this and quickly find the area is that the bodies location was almost exactly perpendicular left from the end of the bridge. Then across Deer Creek and 50-60 feet up from the bank. It will look too far upstream at first glance but it really isn't. Most maps if they err tend to have the site too far downstream.

Is that flash necessarily the place where the bodies were located? Or just something of interest at the overall crime scene? We don't know. Its probably just the photographer shooting the general area.
 
then why the heck mention it , very odd, I'm sure the killer doesn't give two hoots about it :eek:

I bet if the killer had never heard of The Shack previously, he'd have gone out to get a copy pretty fast after hearing that press conference! Gotta wonder if LE was looking to find someone getting a copy of it? LOL. Far fetched I know. They have enough to do without staking out the libraries. Take it for what it is guys, a small poke of fun at a horrible subject overall.
 
It's a rural midwestern accent IMO, so the trouble is that it's shared across a wide swath of the country. It's not confined to Delphi specifically or Carroll County or even that exact part of Indiana. Drop down in parts of southern Ohio and you will find men talking exactly like that IMO, and it's the same in many other places.

One of the reporters from the podcast Down the Hill said that they wanted to have a former FBI linguistic specialist on to talk about the accent but that ended up not happening because the expert told them that in his opinion there was not enough in those four words to pinpoint an exact area of the country or say much of anything about it.
MOO the experts have sets of words and expressions to compare against.

I hope the FBI also take the spoken words they have, develop sample text that includes all the sounds the suspect made and then compares with a new specialized samples made for the sounds the suspect made.

In other words don't think the FBI has the limitations of sampling that professional linguists have, of relying on "standard" academic samples.
 
Did both Libby and Abby have phones that day or was it just Libby?

In this youtube video, Abby's mother says Abby wasn't allowed to have FB (but she did have a secret account mom didn't know about, not allowed to date, not allowed to have a cell phone). LE have never said whether or not they found a device belonging to Abby at the scene or elsewhere. If she did have one though it would certainly beg the questions, who gave it to her, when and why?
 
MOO the experts have sets of words and expressions to compare against.

I hope the FBI also take the spoken words they have, develop sample text that includes all the sounds the suspect made and then compares with a new specialized samples made for the sounds the suspect made.

In other words don't think the FBI has the limitations of sampling that professional linguists have, of relying on "standard" academic samples.

The reporters were trying to consult an FBI expert, not an academic expert, so hopefully so.

I'm not an expert (other than taking one linguistics course in grad school) but IMO of those four words his pronunciation of "hill" has the most info to work with.
 
If I remember correctly, some of the reward, the smaller part, was put up by local banks and businesses. The biggest part was donated by the owner of the Indianapolis Colts and a former Colts player.

WHHHHAT? O_O off to google. Thanks for taking the time clarify and help me better understand!
 
I bet if the killer had never heard of The Shack previously, he'd have gone out to get a copy pretty fast after hearing that press conference! Gotta wonder if LE was looking to find someone getting a copy of it? LOL. Far fetched I know. They have enough to do without staking out the libraries. Take it for what it is guys, a small poke of fun at a horrible subject overall.

You know, if he lived in my area, then, yes. (He probably never finished it, but left no reviews on Amazon or Goodreads, because he doesn't like to stand out).

But in Indiana, you bet he saw the movie already, and probably, read the book. The movie was released in 2017, they all watched it.

I personally can't imagine him being religious. Zero morals, zero compassion, sadistic nature, what does one see to think he is religious? MOO. He is cynical and quasi-religious, if that. But I think "mimicry" is what we all do to survive, so you bet he saw the movie and read the book with the rest of Indiana's inhabitants.
 
If you look back over the Carrol County Court Records, you'll see a lot of times when Robert Ives pops up as the Prosecuting Attorney. I wonder if the reason why he feels LE should release more information is because of his experience in prosecuting various offences / criminals around the area? Indiana Supreme Court public access case search - MyCase
 
MOO the experts have sets of words and expressions to compare against.

I hope the FBI also take the spoken words they have, develop sample text that includes all the sounds the suspect made and then compares with a new specialized samples made for the sounds the suspect made.

In other words don't think the FBI has the limitations of sampling that professional linguists have, of relying on "standard" academic samples.

Is it limiting the case, to assume he is local, based on the accent? I always assumed that, yes. MOO.

(Bruno Hauptmann's case comes to mind - while we shall never know the truth, either Bruno didn't work alone, or, it was not Bruno who abducted the child. And half of FBI's circumstantial evidence was based on the fact that the ransom note was written by someone whose first language was German. Now, of course, technology is not the same today, but I just want to know).
 
Also of note, I don't recall any cases that have been solved as a result of reward money being put up. Do you?

Solved, no. I think these days, there are much better ways to investigate.

Also, in Delphi case, the people who might have evidence would step forward for a different reason, and if they are silent, they, probably, have a good reason as well.
 
If you look back over the Carrol County Court Records, you'll see a lot of times when Robert Ives pops up as the Prosecuting Attorney. I wonder if the reason why he feels LE should release more information is because of his experience in prosecuting various offences / criminals around the area? Indiana Supreme Court public access case search - MyCase

He had been the chief prosecutor for Carroll county on and off from the eighties until 2018 or whenever he stepped down...so, yeah. He would be the most experienced prosecutor in that local area, for sure.

Some terms he would win election and in other years a different prosecutor would win. The man he usually traded off terms with passed away in 2010.

However, even he has admitted that he only dealt with one other murder in his whole tenure where it was not quickly apparent who the person responsible was.
 
I bet if the killer had never heard of The Shack previously, he'd have gone out to get a copy pretty fast after hearing that press conference! Gotta wonder if LE was looking to find someone getting a copy of it? LOL. Far fetched I know. They have enough to do without staking out the libraries. Take it for what it is guys, a small poke of fun at a horrible subject overall.

Problem is, it's become a bit of a red herring, at least among us online sleuths.

I also think it represents the culture of the town and region, which perhaps influences the killer's worldview whether consciously or unconsciously, in a way that may seem odd to those of a more secular bent. I never even heard of this movie until I started reading these threads, but it seems as though it was quite popular in more religious/evangelical areas of the US, and was widely promoted in some churches. JMO.
 
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I don't recall one, but often the reward money is a way to keep the story in the news cycle.

jmo

Well, in this case, it says a lot of positive things about the owner, too. Also, I didn't even pay attention to the sum, except for googling "Indiana Colts", to find out whether it was football or baseball. So, it also spreads the word about the company.
 
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