Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *Arrests* #57

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Tortoise said:
@Spartygirl Mini Transcript (might contain errors) starts at 15:01 in Tricia's youtube below -



Q. Has he been sick lately?
ZP: No he's just been shortness of breath, um

Q: When he's walking or when he's sleeping, shortness of breath?
ZP: Um,

Q: Can he go for a walk without getting short of breath?
ZP: Like he'll go up the stairs and he will get short of breath going up the stairs, and then the last couple of days he's been, once he gets up, he's 'oh I feel so winded..'

Q: He hasn't gone to a doctor for that, nothing like that?
ZP: No we asked him for that...

Q: Does he see a doctor on a regular basis?
ZP: No he doesn't, I mean he's just the healthiest person that you can imagine (little laugh) I mean he's just so healthy!

Q: Okay. My name's Mike, this is Dave, I'm gonna get you some information, so I'm just going to be as honest as I want someone to be with my wife, I'm just going to get some information, do we have his license at all? Does he have a wallet anywhere?
ZP: (gasps of breath, tears)

Okay that's fine (whispers to colleague...go see if you can find that) ... I know this is a lot coming at y'all at once, you're doing good, just keep breathing, okay?
ZP: (crying...okay...)
...Mike is probably one of our best paramedics,
ZP: (mutters something)
Q: What's that?
ZP: He was blue when I walked in, and so I started doing compressions, (shouting) he was blue on the face...

Q: When was the last time you talked to him?
ZP: He was talking...I was at work and he was talking to one of my friends on the phone, because he said that he wasn't feeling well so my friends said that they would give him a blessing, so they were giving him a blessing over the phone and then my friends texted me and said 'you better get home now'

Q: They were giving him a blessing over the phone?
ZP: Giving him a blessing over the phone and then my friends texted me and said 'you need to get home now he's not doing well, he's on the ground in the bathroom', so I called my son and I said 'go over there and make sure he doesn't pass out, I'm on my way home. And then I just had the impression that he needed to call 911 so I just I said stay on the phone with me and then I said no, hang up and call 911 right now.

Q: Okay what time was the blessing over the phone? Do you know?
ZP: I have it right here. I can't guess right now. 3:18.
Q: 3:18?
ZP: Yep. And I called my son at, oh I called him at 3:15. So it was around, 3:15. (little cough) .

Q: Okay. And then what made them tell you to come home immediately?
ZP: They said that he wasn't, that he wasn't,

Q: Someone was here with him?
ZP: No, on the phone, they were on the phone.

Q: Okay. Was he talking to them?
ZP: coughing. He was talking when I called him. And he was talking to Joseph. He was talking to you right?
Joseph: No, when I walked in he was passed out Mom, and I called 911.
ZP: So what happened when you said don't get up? Remember you said don't get up?
Joseph: No he was trying to move and stuff, he was like trying to like, going 'haaaa'

Q: Did you guys ever do any chest compressions on him at all?
Joseph: No, no.
ZP: I did when I walked in,


Q: So when you got here you did CPR?
ZP: Yes. I started compressions as soon as I walked in.

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wow, thanks for the extra work to provide this............ very helpful
 
Lusitana said:
While I do think Alex’s death was caused by his health issues, his wife’s reaction is a bit weird. Why would she even feel threatened by taking to LE?

It was probably natural causes but I wouldn’t be exactly surprised if something else was about to happen to him or was already going on and that’s why she was so on edge.
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BBM. It could have been due to their line of questioning and the fact that her home was being searched. This could indicate suspicion of foul play. Who would be the first candidate for a suspect? Even if she didn't contribute to Alex's death, ZP likely knew that Lori and Chad were on the run from police and she had ties to them. She might have also known about Alex's involvement in the murder attempt on BB. ZP did not want to be part of any police probe.
 
Lusitana said:
While I do think Alex’s death was caused by his health issues, his wife’s reaction is a bit weird. Why would she even feel threatened by taking to LE?

It was probably natural causes but I wouldn’t be exactly surprised if something else was about to happen to him or was already going on and that’s why she was so on edge.
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Could depend on her immigration status. Do we know what it was?
 
DI_Isokawa said:
Could depend on her immigration status. Do we know what it was?
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Curious do we know she is an immigrant or are you basing this question because of her ethnicity?
I doubt she is an illegal immigrant, she was married and Alex took her name. She also held a legitimate job. Moo
 
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Maybe he was buying something he did not want traced? You do not need anactual prescription in Mexico do you? If so did he see a Doc there? Thanks
 
Deerrun said:
Curious do we know she is an immigrant or are you basing this question because of her ethnicity?
I doubt she is an illegal immigrant, she was married and Alex took her name. She also held a legitimate job. Moo
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Do we know what her ethnicity even is? Besides, I'm assuming, hispanic? Zulema sounds like a very brazilian name to me.
 
Deerrun said:
Curious do we know she is an immigrant or are you basing this question because of her ethnicity?
I doubt she is an illegal immigrant, she was married and Alex took her name. She also held a legitimate job. Moo
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I read somewhere (that I can't remember) that she was not born in the US, hence the question. I did not intend to imply there was any problem with her status, but if you have experience with any immigrant community you will know that they often fear the police, whether that fear is justified or not. Many times it comes from their experiences in their country of origin. What I was attempting to point out was that her nervousness around the police could have been a result of generic apprehension rather than something specific to the situation. Sorry for the confusion.
 
887sMtreme said:
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I agree that the Mexico Rx treks were odd, particularly in one who didn’t see a doctor, distrusted them, and was not on any prescribed medications that we know of. It was certainly mighty nice of him to go through all that to save a few bucks on other people’s medicines. Doesn’t it cost rather a lot to drive to Mexico and back, even from where he lived? What’s the net gain? It is intriguing to imagine the blowtorches and the Mexican treks were related, but nothing in AlC’s background suggests he was into illicit drugs.

Cialis is generally prescribed for Erectile Dysfunction, but where would he have gotten the prescription?
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IMO he and Lori and Chad were all hiding from police. They knew what they'd done, they didn't want to get caught and questioned, arrested, thrown in jail, charged with multiple counts of murder, potentially spend life in prison or possibly be executed, etc.

These people were not going about their ordinary lives without a care in the world.

IMO, going to an American doctor, who would order tests, possibly order him into the hospital, requiring heavy use of a credit card , etc, is not something someone on the run from police, and protecting two other people also on the run for multiple murders, would be eager to do. Harder to run away and hide when you're in hospital, for eg.

Being near Nogales, he could just chat to the doctor attached to the pharmacy, buy whatever prescriptions he wanted, pay in US dollars,, no questions asked, no passport required at the border, would be just waved through with a drivers license.
 
Lusitana said:
While I do think Alex’s death was caused by his health issues, his wife’s reaction is a bit weird. Why would she even feel threatened by taking to LE?

It was probably natural causes but I wouldn’t be exactly surprised if something else was about to happen to him or was already going on and that’s why she was so on edge.
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Just spitballing and maybe has been specced before, but is it possible that Alex's DL, etc. still read surname "Cox" and not "Pastenes"; and that's why Zulema freaked out at being asked to provide it?
 
Lusitana said:
Do we know what her ethnicity even is? Besides, I'm assuming, hispanic? Zulema sounds like a very brazilian name to me.
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For what it's worth, Zulema is a variation of the Arabic name Zulma, and is somewhat popular among Spanish speaking people. It means "peace". I had assumed ZP is of Hispanic heritage, regardless of whether she's an immigrant, because of her given name and her Spanish surname.
 
janewall said:
For what it's worth, Zulema is a variation of the Arabic name Zulma, and is somewhat popular among Spanish speaking people. It means "peace". I had assumed ZP is of Hispanic heritage, regardless of whether she's an immigrant, because of her given name and her Spanish surname.
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Nice, thanks for sharing!
 
Satchie said:
IMO he and Lori and Chad were all hiding from police. They knew what they'd done, they didn't want to get caught and questioned, arrested, thrown in jail, charged with multiple counts of murder, potentially spend life in prison or possibly be executed, etc.

These people were not going about their ordinary lives without a care in the world.

IMO, going to an American doctor, who would order tests, possibly order him into the hospital, requiring heavy use of a credit card , etc, is not something someone on the run from police, and protecting two other people also on the run for multiple murders, would be eager to do. Harder to run away and hide when you're in hospital, for eg.

Being near Nogales, he could just chat to the doctor attached to the pharmacy, buy whatever prescriptions he wanted, pay in US dollars,, no questions asked, no passport required at the border, would be just waved through with a drivers license.
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Interesting! My original post was deleted by Admin (because of “Broken quote” — I don’t know what I did wrong) so I’m glad you responded to it. Ours a different spin on everything.
 
Lusitana said:
Do we know what her ethnicity even is? Besides, I'm assuming, hispanic? Zulema sounds like a very brazilian name to me.
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Chili.

Montana, U.S., Marriage Records, 1943-1988
MARRIAGE & DIVORCE
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Record information.
Name
Zulema Ruth Pastenes
Birth
4 Mar 1964 Chuquicamata, Chili
Marriage
1 Sep 1984 Custer, Montana, USA
 
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