MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #12 - Chauvin Trial Day 9

[missy1974]

This testimony seems compelling. However, I have thought that before... so will just wait until it's over!

I need to go back and catch the first half hour of his testimony later.

 

[missy1974]

Pool reporter notes: Most jurors examined their necks when Dr. Tobin asked them to.
@LawCrimeNetwork

ok, so the million dollar question... which one's didn't and why????

 

[MsBetsy]

This witness is incredible, how can you argue with someone who has been studying this for 40 years?
It was the knee.

So much for the defense "establishing" that his knee was never on his neck the other day. No wonder the prosecution didn't object to those pictures.

 

[Niner]

Oops - I posted the throat picture in the wrong place!

Cathy Russon
@cathyrusson
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26m
#DerekChauvinTrial - Showing diagram of the Hypopharynx. Explaining how swallowing and breathing works.




After an objection by defense, the judge instructs the jury that they are not required to do these demonstrations on themselves as Dr. Tobin describes certain things.

Dr. Tobin described what #GeorgeFloyd was experiencing as trying to breathe through a drinking straw, "but it's much worse than that."



Diagram showing at this point Chauvin had not body weight on his heel, toe off the ground. Dr. Tobin says half his body weight was on #GeorgeFloyd's neck.




Even though we've seen this in the video, this animation is very powerful showing Chauvin's feet off the ground.





20 min morning recess.

link: https://twitter.com/cathyrusson

 

[missy1974]

If this witness holds up on cross, I think the State should have started with this guy!!! The jurors would be left with these images and explanations through all that other testimony and I think it would have diminshed some of the stings. JMO

 

[MsBetsy]

ok, so the million dollar question... which one's didn't and why????

Maybe the nurse didn't do it because she already knew. Or maybe some people felt awkward doing it.

 

[Breathe]

Chauvin’s defense lawyers are suggesting that drugs ― and not the 9 minutes and 29 seconds that Chauvin pressed his knee against Floyd’s neck ― caused Floyd’s death in May 2020.

“He says, ‘Attorney Crump, you should tell them that if Derek Chauvin feels so confident in that, he should volunteer during his case to get down on the floor in that courtroom and let somebody come and put their knee on his neck for 9 minutes and 29 seconds and be able to see if he can survive,’” Crump remembered Clooney writing to him.

“The experts will opine during this case that the average human being can go without oxygen from 30 seconds to 90 seconds — where George Floyd went without oxygen for over 429 seconds, and that’s why it was intentional what this officer did,” Crump added.

George Clooney Reportedly Offered Brutal Advice For The Derek Chauvin Trial | HuffPost

429 seconds. That is so powerful! Think of all the decisions we make in a split second.

429 seconds

429 seconds......... say it out loud and think about how long that is. Wow!

 

[MsBetsy]

If this witness holds up on cross, I think the State should have started with this guy!!! The jurors would be left with these images and explanations through all that other testimony and I think it would have diminshed some of the stings. JMO

I think it was the perfect time to have him testify. And he's only the first one of the medical experts.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Pool reporter notes that jurors were taking notes during Dr. Tobin's testimony this morning. Those that weren't "still appear to be listening intently."

When Dr. Tobin asked jurors to examine their necks, the pool reporter notes that "most do it" and that they seemed "attentive and engaged by the visual aids."

https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1380184664657248259?s=21

 

[Weki]

I’ve been only half listening to this witness while working. But it sounds pretty much like what many of us have been saying....sort of stating the obvious. Of course he’s very much needed with defense sowing confusion and misinformation on these events JMO

 

[MsBetsy]

429 seconds. That is so powerful! Think of all the decisions we make in a split second.

429 seconds

429 seconds......... say it out loud and think about how long that is. Wow!

Yes, and all that time they were torturing him and Floyd was begging them, they mocked him by saying he was the one taking up all the oxygen by talking. It should have been obvious to them that all the time he was saying, ah haa, or ahhh, he was trying to get air to his lungs. At least that what it seemed like to me.

I noticed Chauvin look at his face quite a few times when he leaned forward to increase the pressure on his neck and pushed on his wrist. He knew he was causing pain. Imo

 

[CrimeAway]

It also discounts Chauvin's claim that Floyd was "fighting them the whole time." He wasn't fighting the officers, he was fighting to breathe and to stay alive.

(respectfully snipped by me)

But, could the defense argue that the officers misinterpreted Mr Floyd's struggles to get into a better position for breathing, as resistance?
After all, (IMO) they are trained in detaining (often uncompliant) people, and not in respiratory physiology.

Also, the manipulating his wrist and pushing it down goes to intent.

I don't think that intent can be inferred from this (IMO), especially if the officers were not aware of the potential implications of this.

I am presenting another perspective, even though I may (or may not) personally support that.

After all, Graham vs Connor says that the reasonableness of force should be judged based not from the view of a lay person, or a respiratory specialist, but,
"from the perspective of a reasonable officer, on the scene, rather than with the 20/20 vision of hindsight."

Graham v. Connor - Wikipedia

Graham v. Connor, 490 U.S. 386 (1989)

 

[Niner]

Cathy Russon
@cathyrusson
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28m
#DerekChauvinTrial - Pool reporter notes: Most jurors examined their necks when Dr. Tobin asked them to.

He uses the 3 modalities of learning kinesthetic, visual, and auditory when explaining. We don't all learn the same way.

Video animation now being shown about lung volume




link: https://twitter.com/cathyrusson



Found this picture of Chauvin's boot....

Angenette Levy
@Angenette5
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39m
Dr. Martin Tobin showing pics that he says depict #DerekChauvin’s foot off the ground which means weight is off his foot and toe so it would be on #GeorgeFloyd @LawCrimeNetwork




link: https://twitter.com/Angenette5

 

[Algo214]

(respectfully snipped by me)


I am presenting another perspective, even though I may (or may not) personally support that.

After all, Graham vs Connor says that the reasonableness of force should be judged based not from the view of a lay person, or a respiratory specialist, but,
"from the perspective of a reasonable officer, on the scene, rather than with the 20/20 vision of hindsight."

Graham v. Connor - Wikipedia

Graham v. Connor, 490 U.S. 386 (1989)

Sniped by me.

From everything we've learned, Officers are trained to assess that kind of risk, a reasonable Officer should be able to know the possible implications of their actions but that's just MOO.

 

[BUF]

https://twitter.com/emilyhaavik/status/1380191504954761217

@LaurenKARE11
is in the courtroom and said the jury appears to be attentive to Dr. Tobin, who is speaking directly to them about how the lungs work. He told them he did not accept payment for his testimony, he just thought his knowledge could "be helpful."

 

[MadMcGoo]

This witness is great. I hope the jurors are paying close attention.

 

[Gibbo214]

Sniped by me.

From everything we've learned, Officers are trained to assess that kind of risk, a reasonable Officer should be able to know the possible implications of their actions but that's just MOO.

And if they are not, they should be.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Dr. Tobin says he's able to tell the precise time of where George Floyd lost consciousness.

He also notes "as an ICU doctor...we're always looking at facial features to be able to tell consciousness."

https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1380194677794689036?s=21

 

[Weki]

The medical testimony is what Nelson is banking on the most so it’ll be really interesting now that we’re getting away from police use of force and getting into cause of death. I suspect Nelson will try to get this witness to say how the drugs and GF’s heart conditions would have slowed down his breathing more than normal before Chauvin put his knee on him. But he still won’t get past the hurdle that but for Chauvin putting his knee on him he wouldn’t have died in that exact moment.

 

[BUF]

https://twitter.com/DannySpewak/status/1380196033075023876

Dr. Tobin says he was able to calculate that George Floyd lost all of his oxygen at 8:25:41 p.m. on May 25, 2020, but Chauvin's "knee remained on his neck for another three minutes and two seconds after we reach the point where there’s not one ounce of oxygen left in the body.”