George Floyd death / Derek Chauvin trial - Sidebar week 2

[kittythehare]

Thank you, that's exactly what I was seeking.

I’m a little shocked the Prosecution didn’t strike her.

Why would that shock you?

 

[Simply Southern]

It is curious that the state did have as their expert witnesses, a Pulmonologist , but not a Cardiologist. I anticipate a Cardiologist on the stand for the defense, no doubt.

And, I can imagine that GF was not so compliant to go follow up with requested and suggested appointments with doctors after his discharge from the hospital.

I agree.

Moo... the defense ask many questions of the pulmonologist, who deferred to other medically specialists.
Moo

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I still am concerned that MANY do not still understand the term asphxia. Many still believe it is shutting of airways. Vs. no oxygen in blood for the heart and brain to function.... due to positional and compression.... of even more than airways including knee on neck etc etc... (RIP Kyle on another thread who just yesterday won a lawsuit for positional aspyxia.. OH - Kyle Plush, 16, dies after being crushed by minivan seat & two 911 calls, Cincinnati, Apr 2018 )

After so long, still appears confusion even with WS folks.

I hope the last two days of prosecution experts DRILL THIS INTO FOLKS moo. (as expected defense may start on Tuesday/Wednesday from comments made.. MOO)


Hopefully, the deliberations will have more success in educating folks.

MOO

 

[kittythehare]

I still am concerned that MANY do not still understand the term asphxia. Many still believe it is shutting of airways. Vs. no oxygen in blood for the heart and brain to function.... due to positional and compression.... of even more than airways including knee on neck etc etc... (RIP Kyle on another thread who just yesterday won a lawsuit for positional aspyxia.. OH - Kyle Plush, 16, dies after being crushed by minivan seat & two 911 calls, Cincinnati, Apr 2018 )

After so long, still appears confusion even with WS folks.

I hope the last two days of prosecution experts DRILL THIS INTO FOLKS moo. (as expected defense may start on Tuesday/Wednesday from comments made.. MOO)


Hopefully, the deliberations will have more success in educating folks.

MOO

Truth1.
Asphyxia is asphyxia;
Overdose is overdose.
And medical homicide is simply medical homicide.
Anatomy remains unchanged since time immortal.
So does physiology.
The experts have spoken.
They're either all lying or they're accurate.
Which is it, folks?

 

[Cubby]

I had to go back and listen to Dr. Baker both direct and cross again given many commentators thought that Nelson did so well. After re-listening Dr. Baker is inconsistent ...one minute pressure on back and yet cause of death compression on neck? Re-listening also pointed out to me that his basic heart condition was challenged by the interaction beyond its capacity...Dr. Baker is not going with asphyxia as the state wants. I have to think about this now.

My impression of Dr. Baker was his top priority at the time of autopsy was to save the county money from a ginormous law suit.

His face is so red when he testifies, he has that oh crap, I'm caught look.

Based on what I was able to watch, I don't know why the neck obstruction information is such a big deal. There is a HUGE difference between obstruction and compression. Obstruction is irrelevant. His airway didn't need to be obstructed for him to have his lungs compressed to the point he could not expand them to effectively breathe.

I don't think anyone on the jury is dumb enough to confuse obstruction and compression.

Nelson knows his client is fu**ed. The best he can hope for is the lesser of the charges.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I think the Cardiologist (Dr. Rich ) will testify on Monday.

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It may be posted here somewhere, but would you be so kind as to let me know how to watch Lane’s BCA interview please? TIA.

It is in the media thread MN - George Floyd, 46, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 **Media & Timeline - NO DISCUSSION

If you cannot find, perhaps someone can drill down to do an ETA. Most info on interviews is there.

 

[Simply Southern]

No. That is not the way "emergency care" works. You get treatment for the ICD diagnosis that got you admitted. Not comprehensive medical treatment or diagnostic tests. That is the way Medicaid works, if Floyd was even eligible for anything.

A five day ICU or non acute hospitalization is considered lengthy. Insurance or not,
Moo...

 

[Cubby]

I still am concerned that MANY do not still understand the term asphxia. Many still believe it is shutting of airways. Vs. no oxygen in blood for the heart and brain to function.... due to positional and compression.... of even more than airways including knee on neck etc etc... (RIP Kyle on another thread who just yesterday won a lawsuit for positional aspyxia.. OH - Kyle Plush, 16, dies after being crushed by minivan seat & two 911 calls, Cincinnati, Apr 2018 )

After so long, still appears confusion even with WS folks.

I hope the last two days of prosecution experts DRILL THIS INTO FOLKS moo. (as expected defense may start on Tuesday/Wednesday from comments made.. MOO)


Hopefully, the deliberations will have more success in educating folks.

MOO

Harley Dilly case explains it as well. It's compressive asphyxia. And its no where near as complicated of an answer in GF's case as people would like to make it.

Asphyxiation ruled cause of death for 14-year-old Harley Dilly | Fox 8 Cleveland WJW

 

[dixiegirl1035]

It may be posted here somewhere, but would you be so kind as to let me know how to watch Lane’s BCA interview please? TIA.

@Boodles, I think I posted uptrhead, headed to garden.. quick repost if I didn't..Thomas Lane BCA interview in George Floyd death

 

[margarita25]

Speaking for myself of course, I’ve made up my mind. I could care less what the defense has to say. JMO. MOO.

Was DC’s knee on GF’s neck a “substantial causal factor“ in his death? Yes, I do believe so.

 

[Simply Southern]

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The defense has not presented their case. DC has a legal right to present his side.

I certainly want to hear the entire case. I would think/hope each juror would NOT make a decision without hearing all evidence. The judge questioned the jurors on this.
Moo...

 

[dixiegirl1035]

My impression of Dr. Baker was his top priority at the time of autopsy was to save the county money from a ginormous law suit.

His face is so red when he testifies, he has that oh crap, I'm caught look.

Based on what I was able to watch, I don't know why the neck obstruction information is such a big deal. There is a HUGE difference between obstruction and compression. Obstruction is irrelevant. His airway didn't need to be obstructed for him to have his lungs compressed to the point he could not expand them to effectively breathe.

I don't think anyone on the jury is dumb enough to confuse obstruction and compression.

Nelson knows his client is fu**ed. The best he can hope for is the lesser of the charges.

.. and yet his autopsy did say along the lines of complicating / untoward event due to LE.

 

[RANCH]

The defense has not presented their case. DC has a legal right to present his side.

I certainly want to hear the entire case. I would think/hope each juror would NOT make a decision without hearing all evidence. The judge questioned the jurors on this.
Moo...

I'm with you. I want to see what the defense comes up with in this case. It may not be enough for reasonable doubt but we will see. JMO

 

[Cubby]

I bet Baker wishes he could plead the 5th. I don't think he expected the video evidence to lead to the outcry for justice that it did.

I think its possible he may be disciplined by whatever medical board oversees his area of medicine. And I expect he will quietly disappear in order to prevent a more expansive look at his work in police brutality cases. I do not see him as unbiased in his work.

 

[MsBetsy]

True, unless the heart stopped pumping. Then there isn't any blood going anywhere

Yes, that's exactly what happened. He stopped breathing about five minutes after they started kneeling on his neck and back, and after that they couldn't find a pulse. CPR wasn't started until about five minutes later when he was in the ambulance. That's about 4 or 5 minutes of potentially no oxygen getting to the brain.

If they had revived him and he had lived but suffered minimal brain damage, Chauvin still could have been charged with felony assault.

 

[kittythehare]

Yes, that's exactly what happened. He stopped breathing about five minutes after they started kneeling on his neck and back, and after that they couldn't find a pulse. CPR wasn't started until about five minutes later when he was in the ambulance. That's about 4 or 5 minutes of potentially no oxygen getting to the brain.

If they had revived him and he had lived but suffered minimal brain damage, Chauvin still could have been charged with felony assault.

Video: Pulmonologist Says George Floyd Died From a ‘Low Level of Oxygen’

 

[missy1974]

I had to go back and listen to Dr. Baker both direct and cross again given many commentators thought that Nelson did so well. After re-listening Dr. Baker is inconsistent ...one minute pressure on back and yet cause of death compression on neck? Re-listening also pointed out to me that his basic heart condition was challenged by the interaction beyond its capacity...Dr. Baker is not going with asphyxia as the state wants. I have to think about this now.

I'm trying to catch up. I have to go back and watch all of his testimony again since I watched it while being preoccupied. Late last night, I was reading a very different opinion of Bakers testimony then what I was thinking after reading the last thread. ( I was wondering if the juror's MIL text her to say 'not a good day for the prosecution')

I couldn't figure out why they had all these other doctors testifying before Baker. I was shocked when direct ended so quickly, but by the end of the cross, I understood I want to go back and listen to catch all the little details.

 

[missy1974]

That’s a great thought! Wonder if we will hear anything from that hospital stay.

I want to know what his toxicology report said when he overdosed. JMO

 

[Sleuther12345]

edited didn't quote the original post.

 

[Sleuther12345]

I bet Baker wishes he could plead the 5th. I don't think he expected the video evidence to lead to the outcry for justice that it did.

I think its possible he may be disciplined by whatever medical board oversees his area of medicine. And I expect he will quietly disappear in order to prevent a more expansive look at his work in police brutality cases. I do not see him as unbiased in his work.

Do you really think that? I was wondering about him but thought he was good in his testimony - mind you I'm not used to watching real live trials.