Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #136

[Tricia]

Welcome back to the Delphi Murders discussion thread.

On the afternoon of Feb. 13th, 2017, best friends Abigail Williams and Liberty German were dropped off at a bridge in the town of Delphi. On Feb 14th their bodies were discovered around noon about 50 feet from the north bank of Deer Creek which is about 0.5 miles from the bridge.
The Sheriff's office gave a press conference on 4/22/19 and we have some solid information. Please take a look below

HERE IS THE NEW SKETCH FROM THE PRESS CONFERENCE ON 4/22/19

HERE IS THE NEW AUDIO. IT'S-A BIT LONGER THAN THE FIRST AUDIO:
https://www.in.gov/isp/files/Delphi_Audio_Edited_2019x3.wav

Here is the old audio in a loop:
http://www.in.gov/isp/files/Delphi_male_voice_loop.mp3

LATEST PRESS CONFERENCE 4/22/19

FOR MORE CLICK HERE FOR THE CARROL COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FACEBOOK PAGE.

Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at(800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff's Department at (765) 564-2413.

Information can also be emailed to Abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com

video of press conference from 2017 02/22/17: https://www.facebook.com/NewsCenter1...4728963476130/

Let's do this. Let's commit to getting this killer's picture and voice out there any possible way we can.

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[Sillybilly]

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[Tiff23fr]

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For general JBC II discussions please use his thread. In Abby & Libby’s thread, JBC II should only be discussed in the context of a possible connection to Abby & Libby’s case.
Thanks Everyone!

JBC II Thread:
IN - James Chadwell II, 42, arrested after girl 9, found in his home, Lafayette, 19 Apr 2021 #3

 

[raja]

following...

 

[JnRyan]

I can imagine how hard it might be to get the evidence needed to charge BJC even if they’re sure he did it - how many times has he relocated in the years since? He’s been in & out of prison and his father’s house, sleeping under bridges, supposedly in a home of his own..... any possessions that might’ve tied him to the crime (a “trophy,” the clothes worn etc) is likely long gone. What could LE even search with the hope of finding something, beyond his recorded online activity & interview any alibi source?

I agree. LE may have just as difficult a time of ruling him out, too. LE doesn't know if they have the killer's DNA, so his DNA not matching the DNA at the crime scene doesn't necessarily rule him out depending on the method of killing. Even if JBC says he doesn't remember where he was 4+ years ago doesn't imply guilt if he doesn't have an alibi - absent any ties to crime scene evidence. If I was asked were I was on this date 4 years ago, I might have stated, "Well, if it was on a week day I MIGHT have been at work. My car is too old to have any kind of GPS, my cell phone from then has long since went belly up, my home computer from then is also toast with the hard drive demolished and in a trash dump and same with my work computer."

 

[JnRyan]

135 threads have come and gone and we're still kicking this around. With the Liberty's video and audio, I really thought LE would have had an arrest in short order back in 2017.

 

[SMK777]

135 threads have come and gone and we're still kicking this around. With the Liberty's video and audio, I really thought LE would have had an arrest in short order back in 2017.

Me, too.

 

[news buff]

This may be why people think there was a couple underneath the bridge......
"The started up towards the trailhead. He stood there for a little bit, he looked around and didn’t see anybody or anything so he thinks he started walking towards the High Bridge, he was just about to where it forks and he ran into an older gentleman that was coming from the High Bridge and he asks him ‘Did you see a couple of girls there?’ and he said ‘No, but there's a couple down underneath.’" - Becky Patty, Timestamp 22:47, Interview with Mike And Becky Patty by Gray Hughes

 

[Falling Down]

This may be why people think there was a couple underneath the bridge......
"The started up towards the trailhead. He stood there for a little bit, he looked around and didn’t see anybody or anything so he thinks he started walking towards the High Bridge, he was just about to where it forks and he ran into an older gentleman that was coming from the High Bridge and he asks him ‘Did you see a couple of girls there?’ and he said ‘No, but there's a couple down underneath.’" - Becky Patty, Timestamp 22:47, Interview with Mike And Becky Patty by Gray Hughes

I don't know if the two trail and bridge users who were there after the girls were on the bridge are what he was referring to, but that could be the case.

The only semi-safe way to "get under the bridge" is from the SE end. Which is 850 feet and difficult to see from the NW end.

JMO

 

[news buff]

I don't know if the two trail and bridge users who were there after the girls were on the bridge are what he was referring to, but that could be the case.

The only semi-safe way to "get under the bridge" is from the SE end. Which is 850 feet and difficult to see from the NW end.

JMO

With what happened that day why would it be strange that two people were under the bridge?

 

[Falling Down]

With what happened that day why would it be strange that two people were under the bridge?

It's never been really confirmed where these people were that day when the one witness saw them. We have a chain of conversations about the subject.

JMO

 

[Falling Down]

GH with his Crime Scene Flow from late 2017.

Simulated BG on the bridge and LE contact info:

 

[sleuther0192837465]

135 threads have come and gone and we're still kicking this around. With the Liberty's video and audio, I really thought LE would have had an arrest in short order back in 2017.

Me, too.

Me, three

 

[news buff]

It's never been really confirmed where these people were that day when the one witness saw them. We have a chain of conversations about the subject.

JMO

So we should ignore what BP said on the Hughes show? Mmmmm.

 

[sleuther0192837465]

This may be why people think there was a couple underneath the bridge......
"The started up towards the trailhead. He stood there for a little bit, he looked around and didn’t see anybody or anything so he thinks he started walking towards the High Bridge, he was just about to where it forks and he ran into an older gentleman that was coming from the High Bridge and he asks him ‘Did you see a couple of girls there?’ and he said ‘No, but there's a couple down underneath.’" - Becky Patty, Timestamp 22:47, Interview with Mike And Becky Patty by Gray Hughes

See, this has always been confusing to me. MP specifically asked this man about seeing “a couple of girls “. The man replies, “No, but I saw a couple down underneath.” The wording in this case baffles me A couple of what, exactly? He almost repeated MP’s question right back to him. It’s probably nothing at all, of course, just odd IMO. Idk it’s late and I’m probably just reading waaaay too much into this

 

[news buff]

See, this has always been confusing to me. MP specifically asked this man about seeing “a couple of girls “. The man replies, “No, but I saw a couple down underneath.” The wording in this case baffles me A couple of what, exactly? He almost repeated MP’s question right back to him. It’s probably nothing at all, of course, just odd IMO. Idk it’s late and I’m probably just reading waaaay too much into this

Yes, a couple of what? Girls? A man and a woman? It is odd.

 

[somequestions]

The April 2019 press conference left me with a different opinion about its effectiveness. It could end up having an undesired effect.

If LE is wrong about what they think, I think the April 2019 press conference would leave the killer realizing he got away with it. As long as he does not allow any other kids to record him on phone video, he is an unknown to LE. If the killer is in the local area, then there is always the possibility someone phones or emails the right tip. But if he is long gone from the area, then it becomes a much more difficult task to try to find someone when you do not know who you are looking for or where to start looking for them.

As the case dwindles from the public spotlight, memory will only serve to remind anyone who researches the Delphi case that LE is looking for someone who resembles the man in the second sketch between the ages of 18-40 who may appear younger than his true age. He either lives or lived, works or worked, visits or visited Delphi, Indiana in the past. This is how the case will be viewed by the public. And this is how the case investigation will progress from now on.

 

[MistyWaters]

See, this has always been confusing to me. MP specifically asked this man about seeing “a couple of girls “. The man replies, “No, but I saw a couple down underneath.” The wording in this case baffles me A couple of what, exactly? He almost repeated MP’s question right back to him. It’s probably nothing at all, of course, just odd IMO. Idk it’s late and I’m probably just reading waaaay too much into this

Somewhere within the Delphi threads IIRC this was debated around the time of BPs initial interview when she offered up this information. Then later she just happened to follow up on the topic during another interview and confirmed the couple was a male and female. But according to Word Search, it’s buried further in time beneath a multitude of other discussions about this couple so I’m unable to find the source.

The couple are a topic almost as popular as “shack” although I’m not sure why that is. LE would’ve been informed of their presence when DG and FSG was initially interviewed, long before BP repeated the story. I also believe all information revealed by the families is preapproved by LE to protect the investigation so what that means to me is any information revealed is not intended to be an important clue.. JMO

 

[news buff]

Somewhere within the Delphi threads IIRC this was debated around the time of BPs initial interview when she offered up this information. Then later she just happened to follow up on the topic during another interview and confirmed the couple was a male and female. But according to Word Search, it’s buried further in time beneath a multitude of other discussions about this couple so I’m unable to find the source.

The couple are a topic almost as popular as “shack” although I’m not sure why that is. LE would’ve been informed of their presence when DG and FSG was initially interviewed, long before BP repeated the story. I also believe all information revealed by the families is preapproved by LE to protect the investigation so what that means to me is any information revealed is not intended to be an important clue.. JMO

So what BP says is not important? You believe anything from the families is pre-approved by law enforcement and not intended to be important? Did I understand that correctly? That would change a lot of things that have been discussed here.

 

[Falling Down]

Somewhere within the Delphi threads IIRC this was debated around the time of BPs initial interview when she offered up this information. Then later she just happened to follow up on the topic during another interview and confirmed the couple was a male and female. But according to Word Search, it’s buried further in time beneath a multitude of other discussions about this couple so I’m unable to find the source.

The couple are a topic almost as popular as “shack” although I’m not sure why that is. LE would’ve been informed of their presence when DG and FSG was initially interviewed, long before BP repeated the story. I also believe all information revealed by the families is preapproved by LE to protect the investigation so what that means to me is any information revealed is not intended to be an important clue.. JMO

It's a very vague statement.

JMO