Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #137

[keep-it-real]

why is it important to know how he left or how he got there? I don't get the fascination over how he comes and goes from the park..people come and go from the park all the time..he had to get there somehow and leave somehow..there are several choices..maybe he borrowed a car that day..maybe he left on a spaceship..maybe he walked ..so much emphasis on which path..etc..I just don't get it...mOO

If you want to build a case that stands up in court you will need to produce evidence to prove how they got there and left.
Other than that its circumstantial.

 

[Slawsb]

sex crimes are always about power..and these kinds of murders are always about sex.

mOO

So TRUE!!!

 

[Thelastleg]

re the car and the sketch of the younger male if it comes to that are product of intellignce gathered LE didnt have details of these beforehand, someone offered up this information, someone under pressure and was either facing jail time or their partner/wife was and they did a deal.
Did one or more of the group arrive in the car, most likely, was it abandoned on purpose most likely... time will tell.

Was it a sexually motivated crime?.. No this wasnt a crime based on sexual pleasure at the press conference Doug Carter addresses the murderer and says this is all about 'POWER' to you! This crime was committed to publicly show the 'POWER' the murderer is able exert over someone. Wether that was power over the victim or power over someone connected to the victim is yet to be determind. My opinion is that this crime was videoed by the person/s involved and it was most likely videod using Libbys phone or a phone left at the scene.
Its not enough these days for criminals competing for status or revenge to verbally threaten or physically beat people up or shoot them outright, real power comes from fear, fear that reaches new depths of humiliation torture and suffering and showing this in real time. This visual impact leaves the deepest and most profound effect on the lives of people wether they know the victim or not.

The use of hard drugs have played a part in the acceleration of such crimes.

These are my opinions only

Delphi murders update 2019: New suspect sketch, video released not sure if I have attached this correctly. Doug carter was asking for information about the driver of the car parked at the abandoned cps building. I don't believe he meant the car was abandoned. Makes me think of a works/company/family/shared car where the owner or driver has an alibi that LE are trying to disprove

 

[JnRyan]

why is it important to know how he left or how he got there? I don't get the fascination over how he comes and goes from the park..people come and go from the park all the time..he had to get there somehow and leave somehow..there are several choices..maybe he borrowed a car that day..maybe he left on a spaceship..maybe he walked ..so much emphasis on which path..etc..I just don't get it...mOO

I don't know if it is so much how he got there or left as it might lead to more valuable info. For example, if he parked at the cemetery, then someone coming forward that was visiting a grave site might be able to provide at least make, approximate year and color of such a vehicle. If such a vehicle can not be identified to someone who was at the trails that day it is POTENTIALLY the killer's vehicle. If a suspect is found LE might want to know what kind of vehicle they have or had in the past. By itself, is it solid evidence? I can't say it would be, by itself, but with other evidence - DNA, cell phone ping history, etc. - it might help. Even if a prosecutor deems unusable for trial, it may still help an investigator know they are on the right track.

Other than that, can a behavioral specialist use it? Can where they parked lead one to believe it was premeditated prior to the killer's arrival? I don't know as it is all guesses on my part. I do know that Sheriff Leazenby regrets cancelling the tracking dogs, possibly because they might have been able to trace his exit from the area.

 

[keep-it-real]

Delphi murders update 2019: New suspect sketch, video released not sure if I have attached this correctly. Doug carter was asking for information about the driver of the car parked at the abandoned cps building. I don't believe he meant the car was abandoned. Makes me think of a works/company/family/shared car where the owner or driver has an alibi that LE are trying to disprove

Sorry I forgot to add the link to the article mentioning the abandoned car. Its towards the end of the article.
https://www.wxhc.com/mystery-deepens-in-delphi-girls-double-murder/

 

[Ravenmoon]

re the car and the sketch of the younger male if it comes to that are product of intellignce gathered LE didnt have details of these beforehand, someone offered up this information, someone under pressure and was either facing jail time or their partner/wife was and they did a deal.
Did one or more of the group arrive in the car, most likely, was it abandoned on purpose most likely... time will tell.

Was it a sexually motivated crime?.. No this wasnt a crime based on sexual pleasure at the press conference Doug Carter addresses the murderer and says this is all about 'POWER' to you! This crime was committed to publicly show the 'POWER' the murderer is able exert over someone. Wether that was power over the victim or power over someone connected to the victim is yet to be determind. My opinion is that this crime was videoed by the person/s involved and it was most likely videod using Libbys phone or a phone left at the scene.
Its not enough these days for criminals competing for status or revenge to verbally threaten or physically beat people up or shoot them outright, real power comes from fear, fear that reaches new depths of humiliation torture and suffering and showing this in real time. This visual impact leaves the deepest and most profound effect on the lives of people wether they know the victim or not.

The use of hard drugs have played a part in the acceleration of such crimes.

These are my opinions only

Sexual Assault is about power.
It is about doing what you want to someone that is resisting and probably powerless to stop what is happening.
Sexual assault is volatile and controlling- it really isn't about sex.

AMOO MOO JMO

 

[keep-it-real]

Sexual Assault is about power.
It is about doing what you want to someone that is resisting and probably powerless to stop what is happening.
Sexual assault is volatile and controlling- it really isn't about sex.

AMOO MOO JMO

I completely agree.. The point I was making was its not about 'sexual pleasure' its the feeling of power the perpertrator exerts over the victim that fufills his needs.

I should add every case is different. Im referring to the Delphi case.

JMO

 

[JnRyan]

Sorry I forgot to add the link to the article mentioning the abandoned car. Its towards the end of the article.
https://www.wxhc.com/mystery-deepens-in-delphi-girls-double-murder/

After the conference, LE clarified that statement. They meant to say a vehicle was parked near the abandoned CPS building, not an abandoned vehicle near the CPS building. (ISP Superintendent at the PC also stated the date the vehicle was parked was 14 Feb, when he meant to say 13 Feb, also clarified after the conference.)
Multi-Agency Taskforce Clarifies Points about the Delphi Murder Suspect Sketches ·

 

[BNA]

why is it important to know how he left or how he got there? I don't get the fascination over how he comes and goes from the park..people come and go from the park all the time..he had to get there somehow and leave somehow..there are several choices..maybe he borrowed a car that day..maybe he left on a spaceship..maybe he walked ..so much emphasis on which path..etc..I just don't get it...mOO

If he borrowed a car, then the lender is the potential one tip needed.

I have long thought this might be what happened.

 

[minazoe]

If he borrowed a car, then the lender is the potential one tip needed.

I have long thought this might be what happened.

yes! and that person would have no idea of possible evidence in that car ...what a nightmare! maybe the person who loaned that car out has a garage space just nearby..maybe he doesn't even know someone used it that day..so many variables could happen this way...
what if the killer took one of the girls to a garage space and then brought her back and killed her? if it was close by how long could that take..? The police say it all happened very fast..but I wonder what could have been accomplished in 1.5 hours or so...honestly how would we know? there's that TOD discrepancy too...

I think JBC killed the girls. But I don't rule out him having a car somehow because some trusting person let him use a vehicle..
He also has had quite a few vehicles according to his Facebook..he gets rid of cars pretty frequently and sometimes it looks as though he used a bike to get around.

Both girls were killed at the same spot, but that doesn't mean it was at the same time. I know they say it was over quickly so it's hard to ascertain what is meant by that statement . if the whole thing was over in 1.5 hours , that is quite lot of time, actually..

also I liked the suggestion that someone made saying he may have actually passed the girls and then come back..maybe he did not follow them or scope them out from the parking lot at all..

because of everything I have seen on JBC's Facebook, and I'm no shrink..I really believe he fits into this case organically...

mOO

 

[FrostedGlass]

Kelsi German Tweeted just out the wanted poster

https://twitter.com/libertyg_sister/status/1428696097929715713

 

[I wonder]

I have read so much over the years that it's all tangled up. Do we know who the witnesses were whose descriptions led to the sketches of BG?

It occurred to me that the ages of these witnesses may be significant in the way they saw BG. A young witness is likely to view a man anything from 10+ years older as much older that a witness who is 10+ years older than BG.

I'm in my late 40's and someone who is say 30 can seem very young to me. A 15 year old may think someone who's 30 is significantly older.

A younger witness will see people who aren't dressing fashionably as older than they may be, too. If a younger witness saw someone dressed in clothes they connect with an older person, that could influence them too. Likewise, I think a younger person who sees someone who isn't attractive to them, may again view them as being older.

Could this at least partially explain why the 2 sketches show men with a significant age gap?

 

[TTF14]

I have read so much over the years that it's all tangled up. Do we know who the witnesses were whose descriptions led to the sketches of BG?

It occurred to me that the ages of these witnesses may be significant in the way they saw BG. A young witness is likely to view a man anything from 10+ years older as much older that a witness who is 10+ years older than BG.

I'm in my late 40's and someone who is say 30 can seem very young to me. A 15 year old may think someone who's 30 is significantly older.

A younger witness will see people who aren't dressing fashionably as older than they may be, too. If a younger witness saw someone dressed in clothes they connect with an older person, that could influence them too. Likewise, I think a younger person who sees someone who isn't attractive to them, may again view them as being older.

Could this at least partially explain why the 2 sketches show men with a significant age gap?

Possible. I've seen this very thing theorized before and it makes sense.

 

[sunshineray]

I think he got away with it for a few reasons---

---It was an opportunity attack---he had no known connection to the girls.
---I don't think there was a sexual assault---so he left no DNA of that type.
---I think the 'killings' were what gives him that kind of pleasure--not SA.
---He was just moving through the area---no connections to reveal or point to
---He left the area and didn't leave a 'footprint'---no job or home in the area
---He didn't tell anyone what he did---he is a lone wolf
---He didn't park nearby---was able to slip away quietly on foot
---He is an experienced criminal
---He knows how to be charming and act normal enough to 'pass.'

Snipped and BBM

---He was just moving through the area---no connections to reveal or point to
---He left the area and didn't leave a 'footprint'---no job or home in the area

How do you view what ISP Carter said and how he came across at the April 2019 PC when he said things like, "could be in this room", killer has "been hiding in plain sight", "we have a witness" or the new and younger BG sketch taking center stage?

To me all those things tend to point to someone more local (another thing said by LE) and living close, not just a passer-through kind of thing.

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

I’d be curious why someone who witnessed the murder of two teens would stay silent and sit back and allow the families and searchers to look for two lost girls that night and following day, rather than report the crime to LE, not even anonymously? I don’t think such a witness would carry much credibility, especially four or more years later.

Dominant & Submissive? But idk, it’s just the first thing that came to mind. MOo

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

Why didn’t BG kill the witness? I mean if he’d just killed Libby & Abby, why not get rid of the witness?

Bc moo they are a couple.

 

[keep-it-real]

I’d be curious why someone who witnessed the murder of two teens would stay silent and sit back and allow the families and searchers to look for two lost girls that night and following day, rather than report the crime to LE, not even anonymously? I don’t think such a witness would carry much credibility, especially four or more years later.

Can I ask your opinion on the sketch of the younger man. LE say this is the man that killed those two girls. The sketch was presented to the public some 2 years after the crime if this sketch was not from a witness what other proof would LE have to be able to present a visual sketch stating that he is the actual killer.
They must trust their source as credible regardless of them not coming forward at the time of the crime?

just curious too

 

[sunshineray]

why is it important to know how he left or how he got there? I don't get the fascination over how he comes and goes from the park..people come and go from the park all the time..he had to get there somehow and leave somehow..there are several choices..maybe he borrowed a car that day..maybe he left on a spaceship..maybe he walked ..so much emphasis on which path..etc..I just don't get it...mOO

I think it might have to do with who was seen where, what they looked like and by whom they were seen. Having the video Libby took gives us a very fuzzy and covered up look at who the LE believes is the killer. Witnesses may have seen others who did not have those clothes on (jacket, hat, scarf removed) which I believe is why the second sketch looks so different. AJMO

 

[keep-it-real]

What specifically makes LE confident enough to say the younger male sketch 'is' the killer.
Unless this male was seen by someone in the act of murder by a witness or has confessed to someone I struggle how LE can declare he is the killer.

They have a sketch but no name does that suggest a witness who did not know or would not give up his name.

If the witness saw him removing an item of his own clothing jacket, mask, eyewear during or after the murder and was able to provide an acurate description of his face for the sketch it would make the the sketch a credible piece of evidence.

What if he has confessed to someone or the person he has told has in turn told of his confession to them.

In what circumstances would a confession given be kept in secrecy or confidence... Could it be that there has been confession within the Sacrament of Confession. Under Roman Catholic law, it is forbidden for a priest to disclose information — under any circumstances — obtained in the form of religious confession. ... If a priest breaks what's called "the sacred seal of confession," he will be subject to excommunication from the church.

 

[Ravenmoon]

What specifically makes LE confident enough to say the younger male sketch 'is' the killer.
Unless this male was seen by someone in the act of murder by a witness or has confessed to someone I struggle how LE can declare he is the killer.

They have a sketch but no name does that suggest a witness who did not know or would not give up his name.

If the witness saw him removing an item of his own clothing jacket, mask, eyewear during or after the murder and was able to provide an acurate description of his face for the sketch it would make the the sketch a credible piece of evidence.

What if he has confessed to someone or the person he has told has in turn told of his confession to them.

In what circumstances would a confession given be kept in secrecy or confidence... Could it be that there has been confession within the Sacrament of Confession. Under Roman Catholic law, it is forbidden for a priest to disclose information — under any circumstances — obtained in the form of religious confession. ... If a priest breaks what's called "the sacred seal of confession," he will be subject to excommunication from the church.

The following is strictly my opinion:

I believe the individual in sketch 1 was either
A) identified and ruled out as a suspect.
or
B) LE originally knew who sketch 2 (which ironically was done long before sketch 1 was released) was and dismissed this person because of an alibi that checked out. It could be that since then the alibi has become unraveled and it is putting sketch 2 in a place that is close to , near or at the crime scene.

AMOO JMO MOO