GUILTY OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #65

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I agree. Angie must have spilled the beans on someone or something else.
I don't know if the other two armored men were US Marshals, but if they were,
It would mean she is under federal protection. She would not get that kind of
attention for a state crime situation. What jail is she currently housed in?
My thoughts exactly …
 
So you think they talked about moving the bodies before they left the house..or maybe she was on the phone with them when they committed the crimes
Wasn't it some kind of thing off a game? Odin or something. @rsd1200 knows way more about it than I do for sure. Where is @rsd1200 anyway? Come back RSD, we miss you.

JMO
I could be wrong, but seems like I remember a Scorpio, as in large spider…
 
And there’s the guy beaten and strangled that was found underneath his car. Killer or killers made it look like the jacks gave way. First case where Junk had a body exhumed.

I have always said this is not the Wagners first rodeo, at the very least not Billy's. It's harder to kill someone than people think it is, especially if they are sleeping and not a threat to you. This was not a spur of the moment, crime of passion. They had months to back out of their plan. No one goes in cold and kills 8 people without blinking an eye. They have killed before and I think we are about to find out who and where.

jmo
 
It looks to me that the Wagners are receiving serious credible threats against them because they are apparently arriving to and from court with higher security details, plus, the Dockets for all 3 lists Warrants for their removal from jail suggesting tighter security.

Angela left court with Deputies in bullet proof vests and she was escorted into a white van surrounded by other white vans. This suggests to me a convoy. A convoy is when the defendant is transported in one van sandwiched in between 2 other vans. All the vans look the same.

George came in and out of court with Deputies wearing bullet proof vests and security ear pieces.

Normally the Wagners are escorted to and from the Courthouse by Sheriff's Deputies wearing regular uniforms and driving a regular Sheriff's car and there is no convoy of sheriff's cars.

I predict that, if Billy comes to court today, that he will have the same heightened security as seen with his son and wife.

So if I'm right then why the threats to the Wagner's now? What is different?

I'll answer that question. There is a huge difference now and it doesn't bode well for the Wagners when they go to prison.

Jake confessed and there is no more presumed innocence. No "Cartel" no
"drug gang" no "disgruntled business partners" no "other families out for revenge" etc... No one else at all, just the Wagners.

Now that this truth has seeped in alot of people - who held their judgement - are hopping mad! Mob justice so to speak. This is why I believe there are threats on their lives coming in.

Could be written and called-in threats to both the Courthouse and the jails. I wouldn't be surprised if the Wagners themselves get letters sent to them personally with threats made.

The jury has spoken so to speak.

...2 Cents...
 
They are huge targets for anyone wanting their 15 minutes. Every single day, for the rest of their lives, they'll wonder if today is the day. JMO

I'm wondering, now, if the surviving family shot callers want to wrap this up so as not to go thru a lengthy trial. I'm sure they had a say in aw receiving 30yrs. I can't blame them if so. 5 yrs is a very long time to have an anchor weighing you down. I hope they find peace in their remaining yrs. Speculation, jmo
 
They are huge targets for anyone wanting their 15 minutes. Every single day, for the rest of their lives, they'll wonder if today is the day. JMO

I'm wondering, now, if the surviving family shot callers want to wrap this up so as not to go thru a lengthy trial. I'm sure they had a say in aw receiving 30yrs. I can't blame them if so. 5 yrs is a very long time to have an anchor weighing you down. I hope they find peace in their remaining yrs. Speculation, jmo

Canepa has said the families approve the plea deals.

The families are nicer than me. They all deserve LWOP. They all should be charged with 8 muders.
 
And there’s the guy beaten and strangled that was found underneath his car. Killer or killers made it look like the jacks gave way. First case where Junk had a body exhumed.

Someone should look into doing a Netflix series based on murder cases in Pike County. You could add Scioto, too.
Aside from the Rhoden Massacre, Pike County actually has a fairly low murder rate. Most years, its zero.

Table 10 - Ohio
 
"The defendant engaged in a pattern of corrupt activity by as a criminal with her immediate and some extended family members".
Sounds like the perfect opening for a Federal RICO (Racketeering Influenced Corrupt Organizations) case.
Goodbye FWF.


Also, Which court reporter didn't show up?
Prosecution or Defense?
 
I have always said this is not the Wagners first rodeo, at the very least not Billy's. It's harder to kill someone than people think it is, especially if they are sleeping and not a threat to you. This was not a spur of the moment, crime of passion. They had months to back out of their plan. No one goes in cold and kills 8 people without blinking an eye. They have killed before and I think we are about to find out who and where.

jmo
This statement from BW's other acts evidence, page 4, item 4, has eaten at me ever since it was made public: "Allegations that defendant has killed/plotted/threatened to kill others before." Links to other acts evidence in BW's case can be found in thread 60, page 10, post 186. JMO
 
It looks to me that the Wagners are receiving serious credible threats against them because they are apparently arriving to and from court with higher security details, plus, the Dockets for all 3 lists Warrants for their removal from jail suggesting tighter security.

Angela left court with Deputies in bullet proof vests and she was escorted into a white van surrounded by other white vans. This suggests to me a convoy. A convoy is when the defendant is transported in one van sandwiched in between 2 other vans. All the vans look the same.

George came in and out of court with Deputies wearing bullet proof vests and security ear pieces.

Normally the Wagners are escorted to and from the Courthouse by Sheriff's Deputies wearing regular uniforms and driving a regular Sheriff's car and there is no convoy of sheriff's cars.

I predict that, if Billy comes to court today, that he will have the same heightened security as seen with his son and wife.

So if I'm right then why the threats to the Wagner's now? What is different?

I'll answer that question. There is a huge difference now and it doesn't bode well for the Wagners when they go to prison.

Jake confessed and there is no more presumed innocence. No "Cartel" no
"drug gang" no "disgruntled business partners" no "other families out for revenge" etc... No one else at all, just the Wagners.

Now that this truth has seeped in alot of people - who held their judgement - are hopping mad! Mob justice so to speak. This is why I believe there are threats on their lives coming in.

Could be written and called-in threats to both the Courthouse and the jails. I wouldn't be surprised if the Wagners themselves get letters sent to them personally with threats made.

The jury has spoken so to speak.

...2 Cents...

Billy has a hearing today? I thought it was tomorrow 9/16.
 
BW's event list says "09/16/2021 11:00 AM MOTION HEARING", but a new post to his docket dated Monday 9/13/21 says: "09/13/2021(AMENDED) WARRANT FOR REMOVAL FROM BUTLER CO JAIL ON SEPTEMBER 16, 2021 AT 11:00AM FOR HEARING ON PENDING MOTIONS FILED"

Would they be picking him up at 11 a.m. if his hearing is scheduled for 11 a.m.?

ETA link: https://pikecountycpcourt.org/eserv...nscGT6SGzAVXvWOG*sa8Jz6*ptrouZohLLL3eierc8YMg
 
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Posting to GW4's docket on CourtView:

"09/13/2021ORDER SEALING TWO MOTONS AND TWO ENTRIES FILED SIMULTANEOUSLY; ALL FILED UNDER SEAL"
https://pikecountycpcourt.org/eserv...nscGT6SGzAVXse6MGtiDEVBrufCUJDOlN5ZvbuFuSNO-Q

My guess is the two motions sealed are MOTION NO. 72 TO COMPEL DISCOVERY AND FOR SANCTIONS and MOTION TO ADVANCE SEPTEMBER 13TH PRE-TRIAL HEARING CONCERNING DISCOVERY VIOLATIONS FILED since JW's (and now also AW's) proffer has been turned over to GW4's attorneys. JMO
 
IIRC, in the Engaging in a pattern of corrupt activity charge, Fredericka Wagner was also named. Wasn't that also the charge that named a John Doe?
Yes, that's correct. FW and the mysterious John Doe both mentioned in count 22, engaging in a pattern of corrupt activity. But, I wonder, is John Doe an extended family member????
 
Yes, that's correct. FW and the mysterious John Doe both mentioned in count 22, engaging in a pattern of corrupt activity. But, I wonder, is John Doe an extended family member????

John Doe is normally used in indictments and it is used to get around the statute of limitations. If someone is arrested for a crime - years after the crime - they become the John Doe, or you could say their name replaces the John Doe.

Say some years from now someone is arrested for helping to hide Wagner evidence after the fact.

The statute of limitations could technically be up for that specific crime but because John Doe was named in the indictment it covers the person arrested and voids the statute of limitations.

Very common standard procedure to add in John Does.


‘John Doe’ indictment leads to conviction in 18-year-old rape case

Killing Time: The Application of John Doe Indictments to Keep Cases Warm | Office of Justice Programs
 
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