Identified! CA - Long Beach - WhtMale 15-19 - 1392UMCA - 'Paid' stamp on hand- Jun'78 - Kenneth Nevada Williams

@othram, you guys have done an amazing job in giving the UID their names back.

Amazing news that the Woodlawn JD got her identity yesterday.

I think that you guys can help with the Long Beach John Doe. I’m sure that the funding will be done pretty quickly.
 
@othram, you guys have done an amazing job in giving the UID their names back.

Amazing news that the Woodlawn JD got her identity yesterday.

I think that you guys can help with the Long Beach John Doe. I’m sure that the funding will be done pretty quickly.
I don’t think they have JD’s DNA unfortunately, but if they still have his personal items, they might be able to collect something from that.
 
I don’t think they have JD’s DNA unfortunately, but if they still have his personal items, they might be able to collect something from that.
I'm fairly certain they do have a DNA profile for this set of remains. Whether or not it's something which can be used for forensic genealogy, I don't know. But I believe his DNA is in CODIS.
 
I'm fairly certain they do have a DNA profile for this set of remains. Whether or not it's something which can be used for forensic genealogy, I don't know. But I believe his DNA is in CODIS.

Thanks for the info!
Do you know if the item or swab is preserved after the DNA is put on CODIS?
 
Thanks for the info!
Do you know if the item or swab is preserved after the DNA is put on CODIS?

That I wouldn't know, sorry. I'm hoping whatever ever they used to obtain the DNA sample was preserved. They had to have kept some bio material, because DNA wasn't really a thing when he died, and they obtained it somehow.
 
@othram, you guys have done an amazing job in giving the UID their names back.

Amazing news that the Woodlawn JD got her identity yesterday.

I think that you guys can help with the Long Beach John Doe. I’m sure that the funding will be done pretty quickly.
I think they were aware of both Long Beach Does from the 1970s. I know LA County was trying to test DNA on some socks found there.
 
Oh, I didn’t know that there were a pair of socks nearby.

As far as I’m aware, LBJD was found wearing dark blue socks.
Oh sorry, I forgot I was in this specific thread, not the Othram thread. There were clothes on this victim, yes. Another John Doe found a year later had a sock found with them. Clothes should probably be saved and could be tested for DNA.
 
Hello all, new to WS. Found this case via...ready for this lengthy explanation...another IG/blog I follow (nothing to do with sleuthing/unsolved crimes) and in her weekend reading included the article AARP had written about Carl and there 'found' this case.
  1. I was thinking the same thing when I saw his picture...he's a baby...more at the 15-17 age...those freckles disappear once you start hitting 20 or so.
  2. Re: PAID stamp. I know a lot of focus has been in Ripples/victim possibly gay. But, Elvis Costello and The Attractions performed at Millikan HS on June 1, 1978. Could he have attended that? Was he a lower classman? I know from attending concerts at high schools in the 1980's that they do stamp your hand to confirm you paid. So there's that thought. Concert 1978-06-01 Long Beach - The Elvis Costello Wiki
  3. The tennis shoes aren't 'RedWing' they are made by Pro Training. Could the word Pro Training on the side of the shoe been misread as 'Red Wing?' I could see a bit of that. The Deffest®. A vintage and retro sneaker blog. — Vintage four stripe sneakers by Pro Training
As with many/all of these cases, especially of super young people...why hasn't anybody come for them? That's what pains me is this boy (and mind you I was 10 at the time of his murder) died a painful, horrid death and nobody came for him. From what I've read elsewhere unclaimed bodies are kept for 4 years then cremated and placed in a mass grave somewhere in L.A. county.

I grew up in La Palma, and was born in Long Beach - so all of this was literally taking place in my backyard. I can now see, as an adult, my parents did a good job of shielding me and my sisters from all the serial killings that were going between 1970-1989. I remember living in fear the summer of 1985 due to Richard Ramirez.

I really hope this JD finds his family, or at least we can start calling him by his real name.

Thanks!
G
 
Welcome to websleuths. Interesting point about Elvis Costello.

From what I've read elsewhere unclaimed bodies are kept for 4 years then cremated and placed in a mass grave somewhere in L.A. county.

Yes, there is a county cemetery on the corner of 1st and Lorena in the Boyle Heights district of Los Angeles. For the past 100 years, all unidentifieds and indigents in Los Angeles county have been cremated and buried in that cemetery under markers indicating only the year of death.
 
Thanks for the welcome.

And in looking at a map and the lone crime scene photo I've seen, the car he was in more than likely came down the alley he was found next to. They pushed/dumped his body out to the right as they were making their left turn on Division, a one-way street.

Assuming those residents were interviewed? In the short time between his dumping and his body being found, you just know someone had to see something. I mean, it's 1978...cars are not quiet. They're still made of steel at this point. They squeak and make noise. It's a early June morning in a busy retail and residential area.
 
Hello all, new to WS. Found this case via...ready for this lengthy explanation...another IG/blog I follow (nothing to do with sleuthing/unsolved crimes) and in her weekend reading included the article AARP had written about Carl and there 'found' this case.
  1. I was thinking the same thing when I saw his picture...he's a baby...more at the 15-17 age...those freckles disappear once you start hitting 20 or so.
  2. Re: PAID stamp. I know a lot of focus has been in Ripples/victim possibly gay. But, Elvis Costello and The Attractions performed at Millikan HS on June 1, 1978. Could he have attended that? Was he a lower classman? I know from attending concerts at high schools in the 1980's that they do stamp your hand to confirm you paid. So there's that thought. Concert 1978-06-01 Long Beach - The Elvis Costello Wiki
  3. The tennis shoes aren't 'RedWing' they are made by Pro Training. Could the word Pro Training on the side of the shoe been misread as 'Red Wing?' I could see a bit of that. The Deffest®. A vintage and retro sneaker blog. — Vintage four stripe sneakers by Pro Training
As with many/all of these cases, especially of super young people...why hasn't anybody come for them? That's what pains me is this boy (and mind you I was 10 at the time of his murder) died a painful, horrid death and nobody came for him. From what I've read elsewhere unclaimed bodies are kept for 4 years then cremated and placed in a mass grave somewhere in L.A. county.

I grew up in La Palma, and was born in Long Beach - so all of this was literally taking place in my backyard. I can now see, as an adult, my parents did a good job of shielding me and my sisters from all the serial killings that were going between 1970-1989. I remember living in fear the summer of 1985 due to Richard Ramirez.

I really hope this JD finds his family, or at least we can start calling him by his real name.

Thanks!
G
Welcome to Websleuths HeeBeeGibi!

I'm going to look for a live video from the concert - people upload those a lot. Maybe I might be able to find him and my dad, who taped a bunch of bands at his venue during the 2000s, could possibly help me.
 
Back to the crime scene photo Long Beach John Doe 1978 body2 Stock Photo - Alamy...which was really a photo taken by a local/passerby. Let's focus in on the marks on his left wrist - looks like he was bound at some point. And the more I thought about it, I think he was placed on the street. Look at his positioning and his feet. If he was shoved out of a car, I don't believe he would have landed laid out like that. I could be wrong. What does the back of his t-shirt say? This could be a big clue. Also, in looking at the high res picture namus.gov posted, this boy never even had his first shave. Soft peach fuzz all along the sides of his face and a few longer hairs coming in over his top lip.

Once again, more questions than answers.

Thanks for listening to my stream of thoughts!
 
Welcome to Websleuths HeeBeeGibi!

I'm going to look for a live video from the concert - people upload those a lot. Maybe I might be able to find him and my dad, who taped a bunch of bands at his venue during the 2000s, could possibly help me.
The fan page I got the info from states it wasn't recorded...but you never know a bootlegger could have been there. Thanks!
 
This John Doe's NamUs profile was updated on 6/3/22.
He currently has 20 rule outs listed (with most recent rule out listed first)
MP76852
Randy
Doran
04/01/1978
Orleans
LA

MP14993
Harold
Covey
12/23/1976
Iosco
MI

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Jacques
Chaput
10/15/1977
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--
MP56768
Ralph
Miller
09/19/1970
Polk
FL

MP23609
Andrew
Mantheiy
05/19/1977
Shasta
CA

MP22913
Donald
Dumas
07/14/1971
Los Angeles
CA

MP1752
Christopher
King
08/02/1974
San Bernardino
CA

MP17622
Daniel
Hoffer
05/28/1975
Los Angeles
CA

MP30551
Patrick
Wright
12/08/1975
San Francisco
CA

MP17638
Jose
Espinoza
04/13/1977
Los Angeles
CA

MP17638
Jose
Espinoza
04/13/1977
Los Angeles
CA

MP30551
Patrick
Wright
12/08/1975
San Francisco
CA

MP17622
Daniel
Hoffer
05/28/1975
Los Angeles
CA

MP1752
Christopher
King
08/02/1974
San Bernardino
CA

MP22913
Donald
Dumas
07/14/1971
Los Angeles
CA

MP9222
Robert
Coe
03/12/1978
Travis
TX

MP9222
Robert
Coe
03/12/1978
Travis
TX

MP7666
John
Hundley
10/15/1964
Hamilton
OH

MP12064
David
Stack
06/01/1976
Broomfield
CO
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Jean
Vincent
--
--
CA
 

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