They have two vans. A black van that was [apparently] converted to a camper, and it seems this van was their "home" and was still parked where friends knew to look for it.
And a silver Kia van which is what they were driving on this camping trip.
Source: the first couple of posts in the thread
I don't see anything in the first few posts about the model of the Kia, but it is consistently described as a Kia
car and not a second van.
I'll keep looking. Have you not read how hard it was for the one woman (I believe a manager at the Coop) to find them. The van was parked at McDonald's, for sure.
It was not a "camping trip." They lived there. That's where their rabbit was, that was their home. Hundreds of Moab residents live in this way and have been really vocal on SM about how difficult it is. They are mostly seasonal workers who take the minimum wage jobs. They worry about the coldest part of the winter and I think some of them head elsewhere - but this year it's hard, as so many national forests are closed or limited in access.
I believe the victims stated, or implied that "creepy guy" was camping in the area. That would seem to rule out a member of a compound group as he would either live in the compound, or have a home nearby. Likewise somebody with an individual invitation would probably be put up in the compound as a show of hospitality.
But.... I wonder if any of the compounds had hosted training sessions, talks, presentations, or other activities for larger numbers of people?
Such presentations or training sessions can attract relatively large number of sympathizers or "dabbling" type people. The host group might not be able to house all attendees- and some attendees could be weird even by host group standards (pretty hard but possible) and make them not want to house them.
As a result, either by simple lack of room or other reasons, attendees could be required to take rooms at local motels- or camp from either personal preference or being destitute.
I'm probably not allowed to discuss some of the aspects of some of those compounds that might make it so that a man might be living outside, having been a part of the compound at some time. I wish that Ky and Crystal had given more information - his age, his general build.
Hmm. Wonder what they know in either case that they can say this with certainty? I didn’t think they were connected, but it’s something else to be able to rule it out.
I think it would derail this thread entirely to discuss how they know this, but you can look at the timeline on page 1 of every Gabby Petito thread and, combine that with LE taking BL to a safe place in Moab (without any transportation), and you'll see why BL (Gabby's boyfriend) has been ruled out.
A Kia Sorrento is not a van, it's a compact SUV, roughly the same size as my 4Runner. Not a van. You could probably sleep (uncomfortably) in one. They were sleeping in a tent.
I wish people would stop calling this a "campground." It was, at best, dispersed camping, far from any sort of actual campground with any kind of amenity. It's known mostly or only to locals and at first, neither the locals nor LE was certain it was public land (it is, they're saying now). But their camp was barely visible from the road, it was not a designated campsite (it's all dispersed camping, which comes with inherent problems - in designated campsites, there are campsite boundaries and in all the BLM campgrounds in that area, there is at least some oversight by BLM-employed camp hosts - where Ky and Crystal camped was not patrolled by any BLM people nor considered a campground. Dispersed camping specifically means "not in a campground," which means that
