Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #25

[Tekno]

I did write to him, to Olive press and all major papers where he did promote his book. I pay the amazon the $50 in stuff that i didn't need to be able to left my comment on his book (yet they are still reviewing it), so yes, i did go to the lengh of trouble to do so because i was trully annoyed at some of the stuff that he wrote that I do know as 100% fact to be bul*** simply added to make his story more credible.

Please enlighten us as to what you regard as 100% ‘bul***’.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

That's not true. People can easily review a product on Amazon that they never purchased. Their review won't say they purchased the item, but they are still allowed to leave the review. There are many articles out there discussing fake reviews on Amazon and ways to recognize them, because anyone can review any item.
If your review of this book wasn't approved, I assume it either violated TOS or wasn't written in the expected language.
IMO.

That is correct, you can review the item that you didn't buy but the reviews on the JC book that are at the amazon by the time i'm posting this are ALL from verifyed purchases. You still need to have made $50 or more on amazon purchases for the year to review items.
Meaning the "Trolls" that JC talks about are people who did buy the book.

You can't for example create a free accout and place there lots of bull*** on a fake review. If you want to "troll" you need to spend with amazon $50 for each account you will use to write a review. Also as all reviews are from verifyed purchase of the book one can assume that the TROLLs JC talks about are the ones who gave $$$ to him.

I didn't buy the book for the obviouse reasons but i did went to the trouble of making a $70 purchase of other stuff (that i don't even need) on amazon just to be able to review that book. If they allow my review later it will be marked as someone who didn't buy the book.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Please enlighten us as to what you regard as 100% ‘bul***’.

Stuff that I know for fact to be 100% lies/false. But let's move on ... you stated this :

3. Let’s engage in what Clarke’s book reveals.

So go ahead. If you find something on the book worth discussing or that you feel to add something to the current MM/CB investigation please do let us know !

 

[Betty_Boop88]

Stuff that I know for fact to be 100% lies/false. But let's move on ... you stated this :

3. Let’s engage in what Clarke’s book reveals.

So go ahead. If you find something on the book worth discussing or that you feel to add something to the current MM/CB investigation please do let us know !

Naw, here. That’s not how it works. You answer Tekno’s question first then Tekno answers you.
Stating you know something “for fact” (in bold and all) but not backing it up doesn’t do much for your street cred ‘round these parts, Gajo.
Folk’s’ll start thinking you’re baiting for attention… Ye wouldn’t want that.

 

[Dlk79]

I did write to him, to Olive press and all major papers where he did promote his book. I pay the amazon the $50 in stuff that i didn't need to be able to left my comment on his book

Don't you think that seems a little excessive, just to complain about the content of a book, that you haven't read, that is all about a case you claim to have little interest in?

 

[snowpea666]

That is correct, you can review the item that you didn't buy but the reviews on the JC book that are at the amazon by the time i'm posting this are ALL from verifyed purchases. You still need to have made $50 or more on amazon purchases for the year to review items.
Meaning the "Trolls" that JC talks about are people who did buy the book.

You can't for example create a free accout and place there lots of bull*** on a fake review. If you want to "troll" you need to spend with amazon $50 for each account you will use to write a review. Also as all reviews are from verifyed purchase of the book one can assume that the TROLLs JC talks about are the ones who gave $$$ to him.

I didn't buy the book for the obviouse reasons but i did went to the trouble of making a $70 purchase of other stuff (that i don't even need) on amazon just to be able to review that book. If they allow my review later it will be marked as someone who didn't buy the book.

So you never read the book but spent money to review it ? Something you have no idea what is really in it !

 

[Integrity123]

Excuse my ignorance please, I've been off WS'S for about a year...@vermisstekindersuche you seem very knowledgeable and genuine, but, how can you know these facts 100%? Perhaps you just dislike JC and his "values", or you are being accurate and do actually know factually "false"
I mean no disrespect at all honestly, just confused at how passionate you are about JC theory/ethics (or his lack of )

 

[mrjitty]

Please enlighten us as to what you regard as 100% ‘bul***’.

It's not my preferred phrasing but from the extracts for example, i found the stuff about the factory to be very poor quality. Shallow grave, graffiti, alcohol bottles etc - hyping up stuff which is common at abandoned structures where kids will party - you can find this anywhere.

His efforts to make it all very sinister lost any trust with me.

As for the rest, it seemed to have no new information, apart from him claiming responsibility for trying to fit up Murat based on no evidence.

02c

If you have any quality angle you want to discuss from it, I am all ears.

 

[mrjitty]

Don't you think that seems a little excessive, just to complain about the content of a book, that you haven't read, that is all about a case you claim to have little interest in?

Something that is interesting, having delved into a few cases in excruciating detail (mainly on this site) is how bad most documentaries and books really are.

Especially on Pistorius and Knox, i am amazed how many promote basic factual errors.

This cases has not been much different, to be fair, which is why I doubt there will be anything of value come from such boxes, accept maybe to pull a lot of stuff together in one place.

My own gradually formed opinion, is that access style content tends to be quite low quality compared to forensic review of known evidence.

The problem is in this case, beyond the PJ dump, we haven't had a trial where we can access the evidence very well.

What I'd really like, is for Amaral's book to focus in on Lisbon, because that is the only time evidence was actually tested in Court.

 

[Lilly b]

One thing we do know is CB likes photos, the CB fb picture from 2011, if it is THE CB, is quite random, in 2013 had child pictures on his camera, that landed him in jail, the reason I mentioned the first pic, is it seems innocent. Now if there is an innocent picture of MM, is that enough then to know that he had her, but doesn't prove anything bad, and is that enough for HCW to take it to trial,,, probably not.
But factor in HB, who CB supposed confessed to in 2008. And other things that we don't know
Also totally different case, but a case involving a picture, without naming names they are/were friends with GM and JE (nothing do with the McCanns) and so does this picture prove someone is guilty just by knowing a person?

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

3. We don't actually know what the parents have been told. They have been remarkably quiet though, which is unlike them. My peronal opinion is they have been told more details of the BKA evidence than we (the public) have. Apart from that initial clarification around the "letter", there's been no real comment from them directly about this running investigation, which is odd given what's gone on so far. The same applies to the radio silence from many other key people involved in the original timeline.

Maybe they were simply adviced to disregard the CB "suspect" at least up untill HCW/BKA reveals something that can be of use ?

You see what is the difference from now and the time prior CB to be announced as a MM "killer" ? In legal terms should be none. No charge, no evidences, nothing, just HCW word and BKA public inquire. Why would MM parents comment on that ? If we were sure that HCW were to reveal what he does have this would be one thing but since he just "draggs" this over time what are the odds of the sittuation to change ? Can we be sure that he will reveal something other than keep this suttuation forever ?

So untill he does reveal "something" what is there for MM parents to comment/judge ?

Also officers supporting/working directly with MM parents will have access to extra info that can clarify stuff even when HCW keeps silent.

For example, when he talks about "secret evidences" the first thing it will come intro investigators mind will be photos/videos of MM so those investigators check with ICSE find nothing of relevance there (unless maybe some "fakes" entered by other people, not the BKA, not the HCW), what are going those investigators to think/use to advise the MM parents ? What will change in legal terms if they don't press charge and don't present their evidence ?

So why would MM parents risk to comment on something that they don't know ?

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Excuse my ignorance please, I've been off WS'S for about a year...@vermisstekindersuche you seem very knowledgeable and genuine, but, how can you know these facts 100%? Perhaps you just dislike JC and his "values", or you are being accurate and do actually know factually "false"
I mean no disrespect at all honestly, just confused at how passionate you are about JC theory/ethics (or his lack of )

I'm being accurate. I'm in no way an expert on MM case and I don't know allot as I stated many times, any of you guys should know way more than me, so I can't directly judge what JC thinks about MM but JC do write lot of stuff, for example the first part of JC book is about other cases and his search. Many other cases are mentioned. I do have deep knowledge and access to internal data like case files, etc on some of the cases he mention like I know family members on others, etc... I'm judging JC book over the extracts that he did publish for free + the way the book is advertized.

Also way in the past JC attempted to link his theories on another case that was completly un-related to MM so I do already know JC for a long time and I do already know his way of "everything goes" to what it states to appear to be truth and for people to buy what he does write ... Really sad person indeed....

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

(...)Shallow grave, graffiti, alcohol bottles etc - hyping up stuff which is common at abandoned structures where kids will party - you can find this anywhere.

His efforts to make it all very sinister lost any trust with me.

Fully agree. For example the graffiti is indeed a very popular German "meme", the car riddle with bullets that are in fact no bullet holes at all when you check the car photo, the medical scissor that should be part of any car first aid kit that JC make us to beleive that could be used to kill/torture MM (or have MM DNA), etc ... All very sinister and not realistic even more when LEA did check the factory already and didn't bother for example to take scissor to check DNA, etc ... If there were bullets on the car they would have taken in to forensic/balistic for check, etc ...

JC creates a "horror movie" for the ones that are willing/wishing to believe that MM was killed on horror type / hurtcor / snuff style.

JC adds stuff like place on the factory where CB would chain children/or adults, etc ... where in reality they didn't found anything on the factory to suggest that and goes without saying that to be truth there would be evidences left ...

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Now if there is an innocent picture of MM, is that enough then to know that he had her, but doesn't prove anything bad, and is that enough for HCW to take it to trial,,, probably not.

If they did found any picture of MM taken after the disapearance or if CB were in possession of ANY picture of MM that is NOT of public domain (like existing picture that only parents have) that would be enough for questioning at least to know from where the picture did came from. He could even provide any "stupid" excude and the child could even be someone else but because of that LEA would have to question him without fail. If CB were to say "this is not MM this is daughter of x" police would check "x" to see if it was truth or not. They wouldn't blindly accept the girl as MM without checking true identity first and in doubth they would question CB for sure (at least all the LEA forces that i do know would act that way, i don't know how HCW would react). So maybe you are correct and they have a picture of CB with MM and HCW didn't follow the "normal procedures" and on the meanwhile didn't add that info to databases, etc ... Don't think to be very likely but who knows ....

That is why if HCW doesn't make a move we can't go any further with this, and if he doesn't make a move all will be exactly like it was prior for him to blame in public CB for MM killing with exception that now many people will think that CB did do the crime even if he doesn't end up charged or even questioned.

 

[worldwatcher]

A lot of ongoing meaningless discussions here about reviews.
It is not the first time here on WS, that a writer promotes a book and some were WSmembers or (by) readers here.

Social media is a powerful tool, and I read a book about a case, that brought me here, also sadly enough, a case about kidnapping and child abuse.
Many sad story's - out there..
It left me sleepless, still does!

However, if/when CB will be charged with the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann, I do think more cases will be in the spotlight,

Parents do have the right to know, what happened with their child and who took it, away from their protection.
In a parent's life, the nightmare already exists 24/7.

I hope these monsters rot in hell, so get over these books/reviews.
I can even read the reviews, without a logg in!

There has been written enough about the parents, and that is bad enough for them to endure, beside the fact, that they lost their daughter/child!

BTW, just want to say that I appreciate the most members in this thread are still posting and others who are keeping an eye on it!

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Another thing that I don't like about JC book it's the cover. IF MM was indeed killed (or even abused/tortured) by CB it's very poor taste to place the face of the murder on the side of the face of the child/victim on the cover of the book, it's like "perpetuating" the "link" of the 2. If it were my child or someone related to me or someone that I would care for I would really be upset by it.

 

[Dlk79]

If they did found any picture of MM taken after the disapearance or if CB were in possession of ANY picture of MM that is NOT of public domain (like existing picture that only parents have) that would be enough for questioning at least to know from where the picture did came from.

So? They suspect CB of MM's murder based on their evidence, so why bother asking where it came from? That seems a rather naiive approach given that once they begin questioning they also have to grant the defence access to all their other evidence. What if the vid shows an unknown man, it's easy enough for CB to deny being that person, he could come up with any number of stories. But then, what if someone has captured a pic of him somewhere earlier that day wearing the same clothes? A lot harder to convince a judge of it being a coincidence then, and from what HCW has said, it seems like it might be something as simple as that is what they need to have confidence the charge will result in a prosecution.

He could even provide any "stupid" excude and the child could even be someone else but because of that LEA would have to question him without fail.

Rubbish. Why would they HAVE to? You're just making stuff up, there's no law that says that's what they have to do.

If CB were to say "this is not MM this is daughter of x" police would check "x" to see if it was truth or not. They wouldn't blindly accept the girl as MM without checking true identity first and in doubth they would question CB for sure

And how do they check the true identity when there's no body? It doesn't need the McCanns to identify MM in a video or picture, anyone who knows what MM looks like could confirm that (as much as they could). But again, it's all hypothetical because even if there IS a video, you have no idea what it shows in order to be making assertions that the BKA would have had to told the parents about it.

 

[Lilly b]

So? They suspect CB of MM's murder based on their evidence, so why bother asking where it came from? That seems a rather naiive approach given that once they begin questioning they also have to grant the defence access to all their other evidence. What if the vid shows an unknown man, it's easy enough for CB to deny being that person, he could come up with any number of stories. But then, what if someone has captured a pic of him somewhere earlier that day wearing the same clothes? A lot harder to convince a judge of it being a coincidence then, and from what HCW has said, it seems like it might be something as simple as that is what they need to have confidence the charge will result in a prosecution.

Rubbish. Why would they HAVE to? You're just making stuff up, there's no law that says that's what they have to do.

And how do they check the true identity when there's no body? It doesn't need the McCanns to identify MM in a video or picture, anyone who knows what MM looks like could confirm that (as much as they could). But again, it's all hypothetical because even if there IS a video, you have no idea what it shows in order to be making assertions that the BKA would have had to told the parents about it.

Would I be right in saying that if they say charged him tomorrow, that would mean they would have to share the evidence they have? And so that's why they won't charge him yet, imo

 

[Betty_Boop88]

For example, when he talks about "secret evidences" the first thing it will come intro investigators mind will be photos/videos of MM so those investigators check with ICSE find nothing of relevance there (unless maybe some "fakes" entered by other people, not the BKA, not the HCW), what are going those investigators to think/use to advise the MM parents ? What will change in legal terms if they don't press charge and don't present their evidence ?

I just want to know who in the under Jesus would be uploading fake CP media to ICSE? The specialist child exploitation investigators that have access to it? Is that what you’re trying to imply?

 

[tedtink]

Fully agree. For example the graffiti is indeed a very popular German "meme", the car riddle with bullets that are in fact no bullet holes at all when you check the car photo, the medical scissor that should be part of any car first aid kit that JC make us to beleive that could be used to kill/torture MM (or have MM DNA), etc ... All very sinister and not realistic even more when LEA did check the factory already and didn't bother for example to take scissor to check DNA, etc ... If there were bullets on the car they would have taken in to forensic/balistic for check, etc ...

JC creates a "horror movie" for the ones that are willing/wishing to believe that MM was killed on horror type / hurtcor / snuff style.

JC adds stuff like place on the factory where CB would chain children/or adults, etc ... where in reality they didn't found anything on the factory to suggest that and goes without saying that to be truth there would be evidences left ...

There really is no need to go to such great lengths to debunk all this silly stuff in the book, really!.
This is stuff we laugh about, we don't have an axe to grind with JC.
What you said has already been posted, (nearly word for word) on CMOMM.