SaintGertrude
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I was wondering if there could be any connection with the Sabina Nessa murder and Leah Croucher being possibly abducted. Was Sabina originally from Milton Keynes?
My question has been answered now on the recently murdered Sabina Nessa post and she originally comes from Sandy, Bedfordshire so about 30 Miles away. I am still unsure if she was born in Milton Keynes as I first thought but seems unlikely there is any connection with the possible murder/abduction of Leah.I was wondering if there could be any connection with the Sabina Nessa murder and Leah Croucher being possibly abducted. Was Sabina originally from Milton Keynes?
I think we should all be mindful that Leah's family may well read this thread. And in my opinion we should be careful and considerate when suggesting her family could be involved with her disappearance. In my opinion and that of the Police as far as we are aware, Leah's family have never been under suspicion and are victims themselves. They have had a whole world of heartache to deal with over the last two and a half years.
If that's directed at me, I think I made every effort to explain that (while the police undoubtedly did regard them as potential suspects whether they - or you - are aware of it) any personal involvement in her disappearance is at the extreme end of a hypothetical spectrum of possibilities. Much more likely, as I think I made very clear, is the fact that the guilt, shame and sense of impotence that comes hand in hand with having a family member missing is apt to skew ones perception of how best to make sense of incomprehensible events. It is the perception (on this thread) that people are accusing them of lying that is a problem, not the acknowledgement that they are genuinely not the best people to be weighing up what they have come to see as evidence in Leah's case.
I am well placed to know how true that is as I come from a family that has been similarly affected.
And I think - or at least hope - that if Leah's parents are reading, they will appreciate the rigour that some of us are trying to bring to our analysis of the facts of the case.
JMO
I am also of the opinion that if they are reading this thread they probably don't appreciate some of the suggestions that have been made.
JMO
Might as well close down the forum then
There always the possibility of a family member of a victim reading a thread, likewise there is always the possibility criminals who are responsible for what happened to the subject of the thread read the thread too
I haven't read any suggestions that they are "lying". I interpret that to mean deliberately and knowingly making statements that are untrue.What I struggle with is insinuations or suggestions that Leah's family are lying.
I haven't read any suggestions that they are "lying". I interpret that to mean deliberately and knowingly making statements that are untrue.
I imagine if Mr. X has nothing to do with Leah's disappearance that he and his family probably don't appreciate some of the suggestions that have been made either.Not solely at you, no.
However I absolutely stand by what I previously said.
Having experienced my own fifteen year old Neice go missing and thankfully return home safely a number of weeks later, I can sympathise with some of what Leah's family and friends have been through. And I only had a glimmer of the heartache and worry they have been through. I can only imagine their despair if they feel the Police haven't looked into certain evidence they feel could help in finding Leah.
I am also of the opinion that if they are reading this thread they probably don't appreciate some of the suggestions that have been made.
JMO
Not necessarily. They may have put two and two together and made five. Or they may have been misled by someone, perhaps by Leah herself.Various posters have mentioned that 'we only have Leah's family's word for it that Leah and X were in a relationship' Amongst other comments. So what exactly is that implying to you? I would take that as a suggestion that they are making it up?
I dont believe she was having a go at anyone but quite rightly saying people should be mindful of leahs family when posting. If Mr X has nothing to hide and was only a "friend" of Leah like he claimed then any comments on an internet forum shouldn't bother him too much. Leah's family on the other hand have had to endure over 2 years of not knowing whether their daughter/sister/friend is alive or dead and still have no clue what on earth happened to her.
If she went missing of her own accord she may well have staged a "normal Day" and was happy being seen by CCTV.Interesting. Thank you .
Great username by the way
I think if she did make herself disappear she would of had needed help for sure. Would she of been that smart not to leave any clues at all? Miss all the CCTV? Let hardly noone see her ? Leave no trace what so ever. Would a young girl be able to just do this? How would you of been able to afford to hire someone to make her disappear? Surely young teenage friends wouldn't be able to help with something like this. It seems professionally done and plus you think they would say something to someone at some point they are all young teenage girls. I don't mean this in a bad or horrible way but you can tell alot by people's appearance sometimes , how they look, their photos. Etc. She looked to be a young naive girl. She wasn't ugly or anything. I do think she looked much more mature and pretty when she was all done up in the make up pics. But I feel she does not look like someone who would be able to get all the men. I could maybe understand it more if she was a super model who all the men adored. My point is I think it's likely she was used by a older man or someone. I think she would of had to pay someone for help. I don't mean that bit in a horrible way. I think it's a real possibility but I think it would be super super hard to just start a new life and the way she done it. It must of been so professional or lucky . I think it's professional. Sucicide is also very likely and body's can be found years later as I had a family member who found someone who hung thereselves , he had been missing for many years and they found his skeleton in a rural spot of the motorway somewhere..... So many possibilities I don't think we will know unless more people come forward.. Maybe AC helped her somehow ?
Look how easy it could be for someone in a position of trust to abduct someone
Sarah Everard murder: Wayne Couzens falsely arrested and handcuffed victim
Sarah Everard was falsely arrested and handcuffed by her killer before she was murdered, a court has heard.
Mr Little said Couzens must have taken Ms Everard's mobile phone from her and removed the Sim card, which he tried to destroy
Just got me thinking about this case and how easy it would be if someone planned to snatch someone.
@JuicyLucy I do agree, not only the police but anyone wanting to help should be seen as asking questions, sometimes awkward ones, in the spirit of being helpful.If that's directed at me, I think I made every effort to explain that (while the police undoubtedly did regard them as potential suspects whether they - or you - are aware of it) any personal involvement in her disappearance is at the extreme end of a hypothetical spectrum of possibilities. Much more likely, as I think I made very clear, is the fact that the guilt, shame and sense of impotence that comes hand in hand with having a family member missing is apt to skew ones perception of how best to make sense of incomprehensible events. It is the perception (on this thread) that people are accusing them of lying that is a problem, not the acknowledgement that they are genuinely not the best people to be weighing up what they have come to see as evidence in Leah's case.
I am well placed to know how true that is as I come from a family that has been similarly affected.
And I think - or at least hope - that if Leah's parents are reading, they will appreciate the rigour that some of us are trying to bring to our analysis of the facts of the case.
JMO
We do have to be respectful of any named persons and in particular we must include Mr X in this.I imagine if Mr. X has nothing to do with Leah's disappearance that he and his family probably don't appreciate some of the suggestions that have been made either.
As Brian says, may as well shut the whole site down if we are not able to put forward different possibilities and scenarios.
I think I am also one of the people you are having a go at. I simply stated a fact. There was no implication.