Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #79

Status
Not open for further replies.
Everything about this water bottle story is very sketchy, imo.
I suppose the bottle isn't of value to the investigation even if it was Gabby's.
Gabby's family may want anything of hers they can get.
If it is in fact Gabby's.

I can see how a small PD in SW FL would not want the FBI telling them what to do.
It's political.

Nuff said.

jmho

BBM

IMO

Almost everything in poor Gabby's case has been sketchy.

And yes, I thought from the start that NP police might've been in over their heads but they didn't want any take-overs.

That didn't have to happen.

I've seen many cases where the authorities in small jurisdictions recognized they didn't have the experience, skill, or tools to handle certain cases, so they called in the state. (Or FBI.)

I thought that would happen.

But here we are.

All MOO
 
I really want to see this drone footage

On Saturday, a Fox News drone captured images of a massive hog charging through the same clearing where Roberta had paused just days earlier, at the heart of the search area. Several pools of water still hadn’t receded.
EEK! I want to see it , too! If a giant boar got him, there should be blood evidence on clothing or backpack?? jmo
 
MOO
Items left behind because someone thinks "they probably don't matter," is not usually something that is supposed to happen in a murder investigation.

Items found in a murder case are supposed to be handled with gloves (or some other object such as pen if gloves aren't available.) Then bagged.

MOO

Of course there are cases this doesn't happen, and then sometimes mud hits the fan because of it.

There are probably hundreds of very strict rules for handling evidence.

Evidence "found" by parents of a murder suspect was taken by authorities without gloves and handled like it was their own purse. And evidence in a murder investigation was left behind.

I'm guessing that those actions probably don't align with those rules.

IMO
MOO

Yes! They are supposed to bag and tag EVERYTHING within a certain perimeter of a crime scene. This includes trash. If they did not, that is absolutely ridiculous. If I were the P family, our attorney would be sitting on ready to go after anyone who botched the crime scene. IMO.
 
It surprised me NPPD did not search the area BL was found prior to reopening. This is the area Mr L met with FBI two weeks ago and was still heavily flooded. Nope, they search the opposite end of the park, with ariel, dogs and a drone.

NPPD is not alert/experienced with social media, sleuths, influencers and "home grown detectives". They still didn't get it after Dog joined the search and let the cat out of the bag, of the Desota trip and the AT&T store. Best I remember LE had to go back to Desota Park and obtain the video Dog spoke of.

Will we soon see "bones" of BL on EBay? How could they not scourge this area for all debris and remove, relevant or not. They clearly could and should have remove/clear down to the dirt and the areas with orange paint.

MOO, NPPD did not take the missing person report seriously, NS had to file MPR in NY even though GP last address was with the Ls, denying CL was searching with FBI, and losing site of BL.

Now the bones/water bottle saga, that JT has already denied is relevant but, strangely the FBI is interested in.

I'm just gobsmacked at NPPD. Will we hear from the attorney's? I would bet both families are very upset.

All my opinion only and I've very supportive of LE.

They did know.about the.Fort.Desoto trip! They just did not publicly announce it! They knew. A lot of things!
 
ORLANDO stuff, skip if you got it. I keep circling back to the mystery of parents' Orlando trip.

Could BL parents have told what they knew in Orlando?????

9/23 BL parents drive to Orlando day after the 9/22 BL arrest warrant.
If Orlando trip was to see FBI, then why not TAMPA which is a "field office" (bigger and closer). Orlando FBI is a "resident office" (smaller, less equipped + further).

Could the Orlando trip have been at States Attorney Office for deposition/discovery/bargaining/deals and that's why SB was present?

"Depositions are held at the location listed on the Notice of Deposition and are also frequently held at the Public Defender’s Office in the Orange County Court Complex, 435 N. Orange Avenue, Orlando." from 9th circuit sa website listed below.

Locations

FBI Headquarters | FBI Locations

FBI News Release for BL arrest warrant 9/23. (Denver FBI arrest warrant issued 9/22--FBI news release about BL arrest warrant issued next day 9/23)
https://twitter.com/fbidenver/status/1441170971453390874


MOO. (Edit by me forgot the MOO)
My guess possible immunity MOO
 
I’ve been trying to wrap my brain around something and maybe you guys here can explain it. I’ve read that some people don’t communicate with their child’s ex after a breakup and the Laundries might have taken BL’s word that there was a breakup and not questioned. If that is true, how does a lawyer get involved in this scenario? I can’t understand why someone would think their son and his gf just broke up so they contact a lawyer?? As soon as a lawyer is contacted, my thought would be there has to be some sort of suspicious activity or discussion to warrant that. I find it odd the way SB spoke of (or actually refused to speak of) any date prior to Sept. 11 when speaking to AB. Is it possible he viewed himself as a friend chatting to family friends up until that date?
Idk, I’m just not able to reconcile why parents would have an attorney if they believe nothing happened. Or if there is an attorney hired in that scenario, it would be to accompany BL to tell LE what he knew just to cover himself legally. As an innocent person, I myself would have a lawyer present but I would also make myself available to LE. So how does it make sense to hire a lawyer and not present your son if they truly believed he just broke up with his gf and drove home?
JMO.
I can longer remember which interview it was in, but SB stated that the L family contacted him on the 11th (maybe around 11:30pm?) because LE had been contacting them. Does anyone have that link?
 
I really want to see this drone footage

On Saturday, a Fox News drone captured images of a massive hog charging through the same clearing where Roberta had paused just days earlier, at the heart of the search area. Several pools of water still hadn’t receded.
EEK! I want to see it , too! If a giant boar got him, there should be blood evidence on clothing or backpack?? jmo
What and which part? You have no quote. But, if your answer is "all of it", I agree, cady. I agree.
I was referring to the newly found bottle, and the shoddy search, but yeah, everything will do. jmo
 
It is sad, and perhaps insensitive, that NPPD did not find or show interest in the water bottle. But of what value to their investigation do people think it has? I think it’s a little insensitive to leave things out in the open that may be later identified as belongings of either Gabby or BL, but a water bottle, bits of clothing and other detritus really don’t have any value. Other than if a cause of death can be determined, I do not believe there is going to be any other finding associated with this site. The case against BL is not here, this is just the site he chose to suicide. I think all the evidence they are going to collect in GP’s murder has been collected, and I really do not see them launching a full scale investigation into BL’s death other than an autopsy.

ETA the bones shown in pictures on Twitter are clearly not human, ask any deer hunter
I personally would hope that LE would conduct as thorough an investigation as possible in this, and all cases. What if, in a VERY unlikely possibility IMO, it is found in the future that some random serial killer murdered Gabby and evidence is needed at a future trial? I don’t believe this to be the case but it seems very odd that LE would presume to leave any type of evidence out in the open. Things change in old cases all the time, forensics improve, new evidence is uncovered, etc.
Just want to be clear: I am not saying I believe this to have happened. I think BL killed Gabby. I’m just sharing my opinion as to why I believe it to be important for LE to conduct a thorough investigation in all cases, irrelevant to the disposition of the suspect at the time.
JMO.
 
It's extremely disappointing to post this. But, if it is accurate as alluded to in both the DM article and the SB interview with Fox Digital last thread, there will be no legal action in the case. What I would expect though is that GP's family would get as complete an accounting of events as is known. The following is all JMO.

Portions of this timeline were taken from this article: Brian Laundrie's parents 'may have already spilled the secrets of Gabby Petito's murder to the FBI' | Daily Mail Online

Other parts of the timeline not relevant to the post were omitted. [Bracketed text are posts by me based on my thoughts and speculation only. MOO] [Bolded text for emphasis was done by me (except for the dates).]

Sept. 13: Laundrie's lawyer says on October 5 that his parents now 'believe' this was the day they last saw him heading for a hike

Sept. 14: Laundrie issues a statement about Petito's disappearance through his lawyer; Laundrie's parents claim on September 17 that Laundrie left his parents' home for a hike this day and they hadn't seen from him since

Sept. 17: Laundrie family attorney confirms his whereabouts are unknown

Sept. 18: North Port police and the FBI start searching the Carlton Reserve in Sarasota County for missing Brian Laundrie

Sept. 19: Bethune realizes she has video of Petito's van around 12am and submits the FBI with the footage 10 minutes later; Officials announce a body was found near Grand Teton National Park that matched Petito’s description in the afternoon

Sept. 20 - 22: FBI and North Port police continue search for Laundrie in Carton Reserve

Sept. 22: Neighbors say they saw the Laudrie family pack up their detached camper on the day Gabby was reported missing. DailyMail.com photos show the camper was back in the driveway two days later, on September 13

[Indictment filed and warrant issued this date. IMO, Daily Mail wrong here. Indictment – #1 in United States v. Laundrie (D. Wyo., 0:21-cr-00113) – CourtListener.com Laundrie attorney most likely given a head’s up that this indictment was filed, especially if a proffer session was being considered by the government or floated by Bertolino. And, if it were, the AUSA (or FBI) may have even told the atty that an indictment was also already handed down or would be forthcoming against the parents. MOO]

Sept. 23: FBI issues an arrest warrant for Laundrie for 'use of unauthorized access device' for fraudulently using a Capitol One Bank debit card that was not his between August 30 and September 1 to spend $1,000; A probe is launched into the police handling of the Utah police incident on Aug. 12; Laundrie’s parents visit their attorney in Orlando

[IMO, Daily Mail wrong here. Indictment and warrant actually issued the day before, which fits perfectly with any “purported” or proposed proffer session of the Laundrie parents in Orlando. So, was this the reason why this visit was the one and only time Steven Bertolino came to Florida? To get an immunity agreement finalized (or started) and signed?]

Sept. 27: Manhunt for Laundrie in the Carlton Reserve is scaled back after 10-day search doesn't find him. Dog the Bounty Hunter says Laundrie and his parents stayed at Fort De Soto Park from September 1-3 and September 6-8 - and that on the latter visit only the parents left

[LE NEVER goes to Fort DeSoto for a search. Do you recall how odd we all thought that was? Well, note that this is post-Orlando in this timeline. They could have already disclosed everything about Fort DeSoto on 9/23. MOO]

Sept. 28: Laundrie's mom is accused of using a burner phone to contact her son Sept. 29: Documents reveal Laundrie's mom canceled a reservation for the Fort De Soto Park campsite for two from September 1 to 3 and booked for three from September 6 to 8; FBI seizes surveillance footage from site; FBI investigates lead Laundrie bought a burner phone on September 14;

[On this day LE does gather some evidence and looks into the phone issue. Was this part of verifying the Laundries’ veracity in connection with them considering their proffer for immunity? Quite possible IMO. MOO]

Oct. 7: Laundrie's father Christopher joins FBI agents on the search for his son at the Carlton Reserve but the search brings up no clues

[Also Post-Orlando. LE and CL appeared almost friendly. SB made public comments some time prior to this that the FBI requested Chris Laundrie at the crime scene. I thought he was nuts if he thought anyone was going to buy that, truth be told. If this meeting and immunity agreement ever came to fruition however, it doesn't sound so nuts anymore. MOO]

October 20: Human remains found in Carlton Reserve

[Laundries go back out after water recedes. Was the Reserve re-opened to the public to “shield” their immunity agreement *if* one even exists? Did North Port police NOT know there was an immunity agreement (if there was one)?

LE did NOT follow them around in the Reserve. LE had no issue whatsoever that Chris Laundrie handled evidence, and then passed it off to Roberta Laundrie who then also handled it (at least this is what it looks like to me in Mike Ruiz' video with Chris first and then Roberta holding the dry bag), who then handed it off to LE. ]

In MOO/IMO/JMO, and not fact, a proffer occurs only when the person is under investigation or has already been charged with a crime. And, in the fox video SB does, in fact, acknowledge that criminal charges against the parent were discussed, though he vehemently denies any immunity agreement has been reached.

A "Proffer": LE may want (or need) certain information to aid in its investigation. And before committing to a cooperation agreement will have a proffer session (tell us what you know, if it’s worthy or checks out, maybe we will give you immunity for more aka "Queen for a Day"). We don't know if the Petito and Schmidt families were aware of this, but I would say yes based on the Fox Digital piece and on the basis that even maybe they wanted it done in exchange for BL's location - with no one knowing at that early date that he was deceased, if he was. We don't know. MOO

Defense attorneys can also float proffers to the government if they think the government has a weak case or even if the case is strong to try to get reduced charges. Here's a generic definition: Definition of PROFFER SESSION There are many other references on this but most are attached to actual firms seeking business so I will not link those. Anyone looking for more information can check them out online.]

Fox Video (Compliments of @Figuring) with breakdown and timestamps here: Found Deceased - WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #78

If there was evidence against the parents sufficient to sustain an indictment and move forward to trial and they gave them immunity in exchange for Brian's location - with Brian ending up being deceased by the time he was found, I find this heartbreaking for GP's family. Simply heartbreaking. No one will be called to account for this now. IMO JMO Speculation.

EDIT:
I forgot one of the most important parts: It would also explain how they knew exactly where to go and it would support the fact that indeed, none of us was crazy for questioning this. MOO
(Edit option was gone)
 
This really makes me angry/disgusted but I don't know who to be angry/disgusted with! jmo

I hear ya.

What and which part? You have no quote. But, if your answer is "all of it", I agree, cady. I agree.


Same. Name just about anything about dear Gabby's case. I feel disgusted, angered, sad, and disappointed. This case has opened my eyes in many ways, and confirmed some things as well.

IMO
 
Yes! They are supposed to bag and tag EVERYTHING within a certain perimeter of a crime scene. This includes trash. If they did not, that is absolutely ridiculous. If I were the P family, our attorney would be sitting on ready to go after anyone who botched the crime scene. IMO.
And they can't argue that it wasn't a crime scene, since they don't know how he died. Hypothetically, stuff around there could have belonged to his killer. HYPOTHETICALLY! jmo
 
EDIT: I forgot one of the most important parts: It would also explain how they knew exactly where to go and it would support the fact that indeed, none of us was crazy for questioning this. MOO
(Edit option was gone)
@Jurisprudence I'm sure this has been answered a thousand times on here, so I apologize for asking again, but can SB legally lie about a deal being made?

Laundrie attorney denies deal with FBI and insists parents not facing charges

NBC New's Tom Llamas then asked Mr Bertolino if any deals had been discussed between himself and the FBI, which Mr Bertolino denied, saying that charges were discussed but that there was no "threat, no coercion, and no deal was cut."
 
I stand by my earlier posts regarding the trip back to Florida to "clean out a storage locker." Something about that time period makes all the difference in this case. Now with the parents immunity possibilities being discussed- I thought of something.
What if BL traveled back to Florida because he wanted to meet with an attorney (or his parents wanted him to meet with an attorney) regarding the Moab stop. Perhaps BL was fearful that if anything came of that stop legally, GP could use it as an example and go after him for multiple occurrences of violence at his hand. Perhaps he wanted to ask a lawyer what could happen. Perhaps the lawyer told him she could bring suit for whatever BL told him had happened in the past. There could have been other instances that GP caught on video or recorded herself. After the Moab stop she could have told BL she was finished with him and just wait until everyone sees what I have recorded/on video, etc. The attorney could have told BL depending on what she had as evidence, BL could be screwed. Which would have enraged BL and he would have stewed about it as he was travelling back to GP from the locker clean out. The day BL first spoke to an attorney could be prior to GP's death regarding the possible violence in their relationship. IMO.
 
And they can't argue that it wasn't a crime scene, since they don't know how he died. Hypothetically, stuff around there could have belonged to his killer. HYPOTHETICALLY! jmo
Yes, in my eyes, it looked very much like LE was treating the entire thing like a recovery operation, not a crime scene. (Edit: Actually, come to think of it, I think SB said something along these lines...)

But even if they knew with 100% certainty that BL was out there dead by his own hand, why risk compromising anything that might tie back to GP... like a notebook!
 
I’ve been trying to wrap my brain around something and maybe you guys here can explain it. I’ve read that some people don’t communicate with their child’s ex after a breakup and the Laundries might have taken BL’s word that there was a breakup and not questioned. If that is true, how does a lawyer get involved in this scenario? I can’t understand why someone would think their son and his gf just broke up so they contact a lawyer?? As soon as a lawyer is contacted, my thought would be there has to be some sort of suspicious activity or discussion to warrant that. I find it odd the way SB spoke of (or actually refused to speak of) any date prior to Sept. 11 when speaking to AB. Is it possible he viewed himself as a friend chatting to family friends up until that date?
Idk, I’m just not able to reconcile why parents would have an attorney if they believe nothing happened. Or if there is an attorney hired in that scenario, it would be to accompany BL to tell LE what he knew just to cover himself legally. As an innocent person, I myself would have a lawyer present but I would also make myself available to LE. So how does it make sense to hire a lawyer and not present your son if they truly believed he just broke up with his gf and drove home?
JMO.
MOO, they knew and they took steps in furtherance of that knowledge. Therefore, they could not speak. JMO
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
177
Guests online
4,249
Total visitors
4,426

Forum statistics

Threads
592,578
Messages
17,971,244
Members
228,824
Latest member
BlackBalled
Back
Top