I agree and hope the phone was found with her, which might help clarify the timeline and other circumstances. Do you think if they didn't find the phone they would send divers back in to search that area?
A lot of bodies are dumped in rivers and washes and lakes. Just wondering about how often that happens with entire vehicles. Would normally require more than one perp, since otherwise they would need to be really well-prepared with a getaway strategy.What an interesting topic to explore said the ADHD
No foul play? That must be why they so primarily respond to families, not law enforcement.
Five differnt searches turned up sites for Serial Killers, family or domestic violence, death row inmates, Justice Dept, FBI, a report from Scotland and a study in Finland.
We also have the recent discoveries in Lake Mead and well, as far as evidence destruction in water goes, would toilets count? lolThat does pop up.
Here’s a run down of notable body disposals in lakes rivers, swamps, parks.. rain barrels.
10 Popular Places Murderers Dump Dead Bodies In The US - Listverse
In the US, parks are common planting grounds for murderers. Any place with water and dense trees or foliage is an ideal spot to stash dead bodies. Desertslistverse.com
We know very little about the vehicle and how it got in the lake at this point. The MAIT team probably doesn't either at this early stage of their investigation.
Sometimes LE won't release the autopsy results until all reports are in. Maybe we'll hear more once the toxicology is complete.
Kiely's cause and manner of death were not released, and the investigation into her death is still ongoing, according to the statement.
Body discovered in submerged car confirmed to be missing California teen Kiely Rodni, police say | CNN
The body found inside a submerged car in Northern California Sunday has been confirmed to be missing teen Kiely Rodni, who disappeared at a campground party in the area about three weeks ago, police said.www.cnn.com
The California Highway Patrol is now conducting a traffic fatality investigation.
Results from toxicology reports are expected in a few weeks. Officials said their investigation is continuing.
Autopsy confirms Kiely Rodni’s remains found in car at Prosser Creek Reservoir
Kiely Rodni has been officially identified as the person whose body was found along with her car at Prosser Creek Reservoir.www.kcra.com
It’s my understanding that drowning is considered a diagnosis of exclusion, which means it may take some time to methodically eliminate all other possible causes of death before making a determination. I found an interesting article that may be of interest (***includes graphic photos and descriptions that may be disturbing) about investigation of drowning deaths.
well, phones do not continuously ping if they are not making a connection either by use or receiving something or by motion, and the phone trying to make sure there is always a good connection. If you sit in your house all day with your cell and don't use it at all it will not continuously ping it will occasionally ping to make sure it has a connection. I say all that to say this, she may have not been in motion, or airplane mode could have been activated the phone could have been broken. Just because there was no ping after 12:33 is not an absolute that she went in that water at that moment. It's not probable that the phone would have given off a ping in the water because radio waves are soaked up by the water so there is a very limited range, not sure if it would function enough for a ping at 14ft.
If the community's interest and investment is in making sure something like this doesn't happen again the logical place to start is these unsupervised weekend parties in the woods where people are drinking and drugging and driving. As long as the community endorses and permits these activities it is only a matter of time before something like this happens again. IMO
That is information that has not released, and will not be, but I think it is very likely that her phone was on her person when she went into water, so was very likely still in her vehicle with her remains. To your other question, yes, if they do not have it in their possession, I would expect they would go back now and search, now that they have a better idea where to look. Finding her phone would be an important part of any investigation. JMO
How cold was the water?
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Maybe but not necessarily. It's been pointed out that many people arrived in groups to this party. Some could have come in scooters. It's not a short walk but it is walking distance back to town and public transport. There are neighborhoods that could be walked to as well. Someone can arrive in their own car, assault someone in their car, dispose of the evidence, and leave in their own car. Again, this is NOT the most likely possibility but it is possible.
It was cold. It was winter. But Libby’s body was not inside a vehicle and traveled a good distance in a river, exposed to all the elements and river obstacles.How cold was the water?
Persistence of DNA on clothes after exposure to water for different time periods-a study on bathtub, pond, and river - PubMed
DNA traces on clothes of drowned bodies can provide important evidence for police investigations, especially in cases of suspected suicides or homicides. However, it is generally assumed that the water "erodes" a large part of the DNA depending especially on the exposure time. In forensic...
Such a good point.
Agreed. It's less likely to find viable DNA evidence the longer the evidence is underwater, the warmer the water is and all that. Not impossible though.
You would sure hope so! I recall after LE initially searched those waters they said they were careful not to disturb the sediment in the lakebed, so it shouldn't be that difficult to find if it's in that vicinity.
My pleasure.The pedantic in mewas asking about cases of foul play involving bodies found in cars, not just bodies themselves.
Apologies if this was not obvious.
I believe I've been here long enough to name cases where bodies have been found in water as a result of foul play, but thank you anyway.
I also checked the NTSB (National Transportation Safety Board) site to see if they plan on investigating Kiely's case although I expected it to be too early, and it is. BTW they released a preliminary report in July regarding the March auto crash where it was initially claimed that a 13 year old was driving. There's a thread here.
I agree 100%. If any good can come from this terrible tragedy perhaps it will be that these nighttime parties can be held in an area that is less remote, with better lighting and more supervision.
