Found Deceased GA - Quinton Simon - Discovered Missing From Home By Non-Custodial Mom - Savannah #2

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stmarysmead said:
My guess is that the very early drop-off at the sitters is related to G’ma’s regular routine. She would not want this set-up disturbed if she depended on it…and planned that Leilani and BF would be gone soon.

It suited L and BF because all they may have had to do is drop the children off and go back to bed. And the children and the babysitter had a set routine.

Nevertheless,at that early hour that morning, one or both of them were awake texting and allegedly observing little Q still alive.

Why would a decision be made RIGHT before the normal drop-off time to cancel babysitting?
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I believe a prior post said 5:30 am is the earliest they were allowed to contact the babysitter.
 
MissMalowe said:
I realize this is a rather morbid question, but since so many cases here have involved garbage containers & landfills, I've wondered but never asked: don't garbage trucks compact the garbage once it's put into the truck? Would a body (adult or child) still be in the same condition after it has been dumped into a garbage truck and compacted...repeatedly during a route?
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I think the body would be crushed. One of our local news reports I read, said that a drunk had crawled into a garbage dumpster and was crushed. JMO
 
SpicyFruit said:
Same. Especially since it has been said that she attempted to OD before.
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I suspect any past attempts at suicide were not in fact attempts to die. I don't think it is her personality type. JMO

bringing forward the OD comments from her ex. As he describes the OD attempt it sounds as if she was just telling him she was considering ODing because she was so depressed. This could be her attempting to garner sympathy, money, a renewed relationship or anything else from him MOO
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Wharton claimed when Simon was allegedly depressed and tried to overdose, he noticed bruises on Z when he picked him up but thought the marks were simply caused by him being rambunctious.

"I don't know what happened. I don't know how long (the bruises) were there," he said.

"And when she was talking about overdosing, that scared me because my son was there. But what if she had overdosed and I couldn't get there for two hours?

"She's always been unpredictable," he added, talking about Simon
Chilling past of missing toddler Quinton Simon's mom revealed
 
tlcya said:
I suspect any past attempts at suicide were not in fact attempts to die. I don't think it is her personality type. JMO

bringing forward the OD comments from her ex. As he describes the OD attempt it sounds as if she was just telling him she was considering ODing because she was so depressed. This could be her attempting to garner sympathy, money, a renewed relationship or anything else from him MOO
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Wharton claimed when Simon was allegedly depressed and tried to overdose, he noticed bruises on Z when he picked him up but thought the marks were simply caused by him being rambunctious.

"I don't know what happened. I don't know how long (the bruises) were there," he said.

"And when she was talking about overdosing, that scared me because my son was there. But what if she had overdosed and I couldn't get there for two hours?

"She's always been unpredictable," he added, talking about Simon
Chilling past of missing toddler Quinton Simon's mom revealed
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"Rambunctious " I hate to hear that word to describe a child after the West boys :(
 
tlcya said:
I suspect any past attempts at suicide were not in fact attempts to die. I don't think it is her personality type. JMO

bringing forward the OD comments from her ex. As he describes the OD attempt it sounds as if she was just telling him she was considering ODing because she was so depressed. This could be her attempting to garner sympathy, money, a renewed relationship or anything else from him MOO
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Wharton claimed when Simon was allegedly depressed and tried to overdose, he noticed bruises on Z when he picked him up but thought the marks were simply caused by him being rambunctious.

"I don't know what happened. I don't know how long (the bruises) were there," he said.

"And when she was talking about overdosing, that scared me because my son was there. But what if she had overdosed and I couldn't get there for two hours?

"She's always been unpredictable," he added, talking about Simon
Chilling past of missing toddler Quinton Simon's mom revealed
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'She's always been unpredictable' kinda like how BJH said (paraphrasing) sometimes she's really great and sometimes she's not.
 
Stunned said:
What should be kept in mind is that CPS did NOT place the boys in GM and GPs custody. L did. It was a private agreement.
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I've been wondering about whether the custody arrangement was "official" or arranged between the family members, but I hadn't asked about it yet in the thread. Thank you for mentioning this.
 
lonetraveler said:
I must say I'm very disappointed that the search of the landfill is just beginning. It's been thirteen days. Why wasn't the search started at the very beginning....:(
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Because they didn't have the evidence that he was there.I keep thinking about little King Hill ,police had evidence which dumpster was used but never made the effort to search the landfill,just pronounced him dead.Im so glad they are trying to recover little Quinton
 
MissMalowe said:
I realize this is a rather morbid question, but since so many cases here have involved garbage containers & landfills, I've wondered but never asked: don't garbage trucks compact the garbage once it's put into the truck? Would a body (adult or child) still be in the same condition after it has been dumped into a garbage truck and compacted...repeatedly during a route?

Edited to add: My thoughts are with all those searching the landfill. Ever had to retrieve a receipt, important paperwork, keys or a jewelry item from your garbage can? It's gross even going through your own garbage looking for something....can't imagine how these people are feeling looking for someone's discarded child, amongst everyone else's trash. Sad.
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I think body parts would still be recognizable? I hated typing that!
 
Did some reading up on Georgia laws this afternoon. Quoting a few sections from that link that may be pertinent to this case:

Title 16 - Crimes and Offenses
Chapter 5 - Crimes Against the Person
Article 1 - Homicide

"Homicide" includes both murder & manslaughter, but with the way that it's is worded, I believe (IMO, IANAL) that the unintentional death of a child at the hands of their caregiver would be classified as second degree murder, not manslaughter.
  • § 16-5-1. Murder; Malice Murder; Felony Murder; Murder in the Second Degree
    FIRST DEGREE / FELONY MURDER
    (a) "A person commits the offense of murder when he unlawfully and with malice aforethought, either express or implied, causes the death of another human being." (b) "Express malice is that deliberate intention unlawfully to take the life of another human being which is manifested by external circumstances capable of proof. Malice shall be implied where no considerable provocation appears and where all the circumstances of the killing show an abandoned and malignant heart." (e1) "A person convicted of the offense of murder shall be punished by death, by imprisonment for life without parole, or by imprisonment for life."

  • § 16-5-1. Murder; Malice Murder; Felony Murder; Murder in the Second Degree
    SECOND DEGREE MURDER
    (d) "A person commits the offense of murder in the second degree when, in the commission of cruelty to children [see below] in the second degree, he or she causes the death of another human being irrespective of malice." (e2) "A person convicted of the offense of murder in the second degree shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than ten nor more than 30 years."

    NOTE: This is a new law, only in effect since 2014, specifically created to address the deaths of children due to reckless or risky behavior from parents. (Second-degree murder charge created to address child deaths article from 2018). The article states that a prosecutor can choose to charge someone with both felony murder and second degree murder.

Title 16 - Crimes and Offenses
Chapter 5 - Crimes Against the Person
Article 5 - Cruelty to Children
  • § 16-5-70. Cruelty to Children
    FIRST DEGREE CRUELTY TO CHILDREN
    (b) Any person commits the offense of cruelty to children in the first degree when such person maliciously causes a child under the age of 18 cruel or excessive physical or mental pain.

  • § 16-5-70. Cruelty to Children
    SECOND DEGREE CRUELTY TO CHILDREN
    (c) Any person commits the offense of cruelty to children in the second degree when such person with criminal negligence causes a child under the age of 18 cruel or excessive physical or mental pain.


MOOs
IMO, this may be why LE is holding off on arresting MomLS. Upon arrest, they have 72 hours to have the initial hearing, at which time the charges are read, probable cause is determined, and bail is set. If LE does not yet have enough evidence to determine if this was a first-degree murder (with malice and forethought) or a second-degree murder (unintentional / criminal negligence), they may want to wait until the body is recovered and autopsy done to make sure any guilty parties are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
 
flashy09 said:
I find it very strange that a text was sent out at 5:30 am - which we can assume is because QS has died - but the boyfriend says he saw him at 6 am. Could she really have put a doll or prop in the playpen or did boyfriend cover for her, at least for a little bit?
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Maybe BF did see Quinton but did not know at the time if he was dead or alive. Could have just saw him lying in the playpen and assumed he was sleeping. Don't know.
 
Allabouttrial said:
Press Conference

18th Oct.

Chief - A short time ago, we began what will be an extensive search of the Waste Management Landfill located here in Chatham County. As with every step we have taken in this case the need for this search was based on where the evidence led us. We have spent the last several days preparing and deploying extensive resources to support the search team and the investigators and I would like to thank, for a moment, Chatham County Sheriff's Office, Sheriff John Wilcher, Chatham County Emergency Management Agency, Savannah Police Department, Savannah Fire Department, Chatham Emergency Services and many other agencies that have assisted in getting us prepared to begin our search of the landfill.

We know that this is going to be a physically, mentally and emotionally gruelling task for our investigators and team. Yesterday, our team posted this picture of Quinton, here on the wall of this operation centre as a reminder of who we are searching for and why we continue to work so terribly hard.

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We want justice for Quinton, just like everybody else, and we want to find his remains so we can give him a proper resting place. Once again, we are indebted to the FBI for their unmatched expertise that they have provided to us since they arrived on scene less than three hours after Quinton was reported missing. Now I'll turn it over to Senior Supervisory Resident Agent, Mr Clarke, who also has a few remarks.

FBI - Good morning, everyone. My name is Will Clarke, as the Chief said I'm the Senior Supervisory Resident Agent of the Savannah and Brunswick offices of the FBI. Throughout our process here, our goal has been to bring Quinton home and to hold anyone responsible for his disappearance accountable. We, along with our law enforcement partners, go into this process with heavy hearts. We did not want to end up at this point, but the evidence has taken us here. We're not just randomly searching this landfill. We have evidence, specific evidence, that leads us to this large property. To help in this search, the FBI has brought in specialists from Quantico, Atlanta, as well as all of our personnel here in the greater Savannah area. The FBI's Evidence Response team, which has experience in landfill searches, like this, is heading up part of this operation. At this moment, we have dozens of FBI personnel on scene in support of the Chatham County Police Department. We will have Chatham County and FBI personnel in the landfill, each day, conducting a systematic search of the debris. This will be a complex and strenuous effort. Searchers will move through the debris placed on the search deck looking for evidence. Once that debris is cleared it will be placed on the search deck and then removed and then replaced with another section of material. This will not be quick. It will not be easy and the outcome is uncertain. As the chief said, we want justice for Quinton and we want to find him a proper resting place. Again, we share the sorrow felt by millions and promise all of our available resources and expertise to assist Chatham County in finding little Quinton.

Chief - Thank you Will. Now we'll take a few questions if you'd like.

Reporter - What makes you think that Quinton is in this landfill?

Chief - The evidence has led us to this place at this date and time.

Reporter - Is there anything specific you can tell us?

Chief - Nothing I can tell you specifically.

Reporter - Chief, what date did you think you would come to this landfill? Is this something you knew last Thursday, last Wednesday, last Tuesday or yesterday or this morning?

FBI - We've been reviewing the evidence throughout the duration of this investigation. We've been following the evidence where it has taken us. And the evidence has taken us to this landfill. The efforts to undertake this landfill search have been several days in the planning. We've brought in experts in landfill searches to guide us to this specific area where we'll be searching. Like I said, in my comments before, this is not... we're not searching the whole landfill, we have a specific area where we are looking.

Reporter - I know the recovery and the evidence team has done this before. Is this the area that now you've gridded off, with no more trash coming there? It is away from anything new that would be coming in?

FBI - Yes.

Reporter - And is this because of where this trash specifically came from?

FBI - Yes.

Reporter - We talked to you 2:30 the Wednesday that he went missing - You were so hopeful in this and your tone has changed. You almost sound like you're about to choke up there. You must be emotionally drained. As investigators, as agents can you talk about how hard this case has been?

Chief - Yeah. You're trying to get me to cry, I think, but, it has. You know, we had a meeting yesterday and to look across the the multitude of people that are here and to feel and see their emotions... but that's coupled with determination and dedication, so we can find little Quinton and provide him a proper resting place. It does take its toll. There is a lot of time, energy and effort that goes into, not only the investigation but the logistics in terms of getting everything we need to be able to provide the proper resources for the search teams and the investigators, so we can reach a conclusion at some point. There's a large order of magnitude that has been brought to bear here for this and I'll say it again, I can't thank the FBI enough for all that they have done. They have been tremendous and phenomenal.

Reporter - And you know this is obviously a criminal investigation now. It was a missing person's... and there's no way that it's not, right? No-one's been charged?

Chief - No-one has been charged.

Reporter - Why has no-one been charged?

Chief - Because we're not ready to charge anyone yet. We still have work to do. We still have an investigation to do and we are not going to do anything, pre-emptively, that would that would harm future prosecution, that would, where I'm standing before you six months from now, talking about a flawed investigation or talking about why we did this and why we didn't do that. I believe in our investigators. I believe in the expertise that we brought to bear here. We are tracking in the right direction, but we're only going to do that when we're ready to do that.

Reporter - Chief, is that because you're holding out to make this a capital punishment case?

Chief - No.

Reporter - Chief, is this landfill the only place that y'all are going to be searching?

Chief - Yes.

Reporter - You mentioned of course that this is going to be a large scale and really strenuous operation. Do you guys have any kind of vague idea how long you think it would take, or is that kind of up to what happens out there?

Chief - It's kind of up to what happens but, as Agent Clark said, this is not going to be quick. This is not going to happen within a day or so. We are here for the long haul, until we determine that we don't need to be here anymore.

Reporter - Chief, let's back up a little bit in this investigation. One thing that never happened - was, there was never an Amber Alert sent out. There was never a Levi's call sent out. Why was that?

Chief - It didn't meet the criteria of an Amber Alert, at that time.

Reporter - Why so?

Chief - I'd have to go back and look at the exact criteria, but we didn't have any specific information about an abduction. We didn't have a suspect for an abduction. We didn't have a vehicle description or anything like that. And Amber Alerts are very prescriptive in terms of when you can issue them, and we didn't have that information at that time.

Reporter - Chief, how tough is it to stand here right now (inaudible) somebody threw that little baby in the trash?

Chief - It's.. it's, it's tough. But, you know, we understand that, you know, it's necessary. This is the work that we do. You know, all be it emotionally draining, all be it tough, aIl be it difficult. But this is what the community asks of our law enforcement officers.

Reporter - I want to clarify something chief. It was asked in the question earlier. Do y'all believe that Quinton was brought here and thrown in the landfill or thrown in the trash and then ended up at the landfill?

Chief - We believe that he was placed in a specific dumpster at a specific location and it was brought here by regular means of disposal.

Reporter - Got it. (inaudible) dumpster I-95?

Chief - I can't answer that.

Reporter - Is Leilani Simon still the only suspect?

Chief - She is.

Reporter - You mentioned the other day that you didn't believe she was a flight risk - Has that changed?

Chief - That has not changed.

Reporter - How hopeful are you that you'll find Quinton's body?

Chief - I have every belief that we will find his remains here at the landfill.

Reporter - Do y'all know where Leilani is today? I don't mean right at this actual moment but do ya'll know where she is?

Chief - I believe she's still here in Chatham County. We do not believe she's a flight risk.

Reporter - And again, I'll ask one more time - What makes you believe that she's not a flight risk.

Chief - I can't get into that.
Okay, thank you, y'all have a great day.
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That, to me points to her being in rehab.
 
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