ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 5

[bigredkangaroo]

ICE? What?

In. Case. (of) Emergency. Your emergency contact if all first responders can do is contact your next of kin. Everyone should have an ICE contact saved in their phone.

 

[Puzzles8]

Where has the suggestion that the1st floor had a lockable door from the 2nd floor come from?

Apart from being an odd feature that does add an element of additional insight into the two survivors. If true they were potentially behind not just 1 but 2 locked door layers of security.

Therefore were they truly missed/ignored by the perpetrator or just too hard to get to in a hurry.

Just commenting about the generalization in locking bedroom doors.

While in college my daughters have always locked their bedroom doors, both in dorms and in off campus housing. Just out of habit.

I suspect that every bedroom in that house had locks on every bedroom door.

I don't know how that might figure in to the murders. Just trying to raise reasonable questions.

JMO

 

[KonaHonu]

I agree... But when you think of the shock, blood, and probably even the smell of all of it in the air it really doesn't surprise me how it could almost paralyze someone. Then you look at the timeline and brutality of it, the bodies had to be grayish blue at that point. I remember when I was 22 maybe 23 and I called 911 for this kid that od on heroin at a party. This kid was gray pale and not breathing. Thought he was dead. Ambulance came and he survived but I wouldn't even want to imagine what this scence looked like 8-9 hours after all this.

Scary stuff

When I got my emergency medical training from a paramedic he bragged that he could keep someone alive for days after a heroin overdose. This is because the drug essentially suppresses breathing. With a bag valve mask you can breath for them until they recover. But of course you have to start as soon as they go down or they will be dead in just a few minutes.

And nowadays we have Narcan/nalaoxone.

 

[otto]

I think it is a pretty safe assumption that the two survivors either had a separate locked door to the floor they were in or a lock on their bedroom doors and they were locked on that night. I am a Realtor and a lot of homes in college areas I show that have one or two floors have a main entrance and living area but a locked door to either the hall leading to their rooms especially by the stairs, or locks on their bedrooms. Maybe the victims did not have their doors locked bit the survivors did. That would make sense as to why the survivors were on a common floor. I asked my my daughter who is at at a large university (Michigan State) living off campus and always has her airpods in so she can sleep at night and not hear the partying and she said hears nothing when sleeping and if she does unless it sirens or here cats she ignores it, because people are crazy when partying. Sometimes she does not leave her room all day on weekends if she is not in the mood to socialize. Thus why they may have not realize what happened. MOO

Good point. The house might have been renovated a few years ago, possible converting main floor garage into living space. Stairs between that part of the house, and the upper floors, might have a door at the bottom or top of the stairs.

 

[Gae]

I hadn't considered that they don't know who made the call.. the dispatcher should be able to tell them if it was a male or female voice though.

Well, that's a new angle I hadn't considered. Interesting.

 

[mewmew]

ICE? What?

ICE = in case of emergency. You can put ICE next to a contact name in your phone if you’d like them to be notified in case of emergency, so that police/paramedics or whoever know who to call.

 

[JusticeJD44]

I believe that the two survivors might be alive only because they had the door locked. Atleast in my home, you couldn’t bang the door down without causing an ABSOLUTE noise nightmare. If the suspect was trying to break the door down or unlock it, he risks them waking up and calling 911. I wouldn’t be surprised if he tried to open the door only to realize it was locked. Might be a stretch

 

[LeBlack]

FBI lending support would be not surprising; it would be usual to help canvass, process evidence, help develop a profile for shockingly bizarre mayhem in a tiny town.
But it is not at all usual for the CIRG team to be there.

They are worried about one or both of these? (BBM)
CIRG will deploy investigative specialists to respond to terrorist activities, hostage takings, child abductions and other high-risk repetitive violent crimes.
The CIRG is designated to formulate strategies, manage hostage or siege situations, and if possible resolve them "without loss of life",


MOO

 

[Wsimm]

Except we were told early on that it wasn't one of the surviving roommates that made the call, but now we now it was " a roommate's phone"

You’re correct and I overlooked that. Thank you. So this visitor either didn’t have a phone (highly doubt that). Maybe they left the phone in their car (doubt that too) . It makes me think this visitor not only saw an unconscious body but a bloody one. This visitor “connected” with the two roommates below and why the choice was made to use one of the roommates phones to call 911 and not theirs is a little interesting.

 

[AngTxGal]

Someone mentioned earlier about there being greater crowds in Moscow the weekend of November 12 & 13 because of restrictions in nearby Pullman, due to observing the anniversary of a hazing death at a college of Washington Sate University on November 12, 2019. Could the timing be conspicuous given these were also sorority/fraternity kids?

This is one of many reports:

15 fraternity members charged in Washington State University student's 2019 death

Samuel Martinez, 19, of Bellevue, Washington, died of acute alcohol intoxication on Nov. 12, 2019, after attending an Alpha Tau Omega fraternity event, officials said.

www.nbcnews.com

So you are suggesting that the stabbing murder of these four U of Idaho students seems related to the hazing death at WSU two years ago? I don’t see it

 

[FruitTingles]

Good point. The house might have been renovated a few years ago, possible converting main floor garage into living space. Stairs between that part of the house, and the upper floors, might have a door at the bottom or top of the stairs.

The house was fully renovated back in 2018-2019.

 

[Curiosa20]

Thanks. So basically we can't assume good visiability of the suspect even though there was adequate moonlight

IMO all we have heard and seen indicates that the killer was highly skilled in stealth tactics.

 

[Trouble1321075]

The more I read about this the harder it is for me to believe that this was anything but a targeted killing that got out of hand. I don't think it has anything to do with a cult, political extremists, drug dealers, or anything like that. All of these kids, the victims, and the surviing room mates seem like nothing but kind, happy, well-adjusted college students. I'm going to stick with this being done by some obsessed kid that knew her although she may not have even known he existed. I'm gonna go with male, 18-30, socially awkward, possibly a U of I dropout. I don't think it was sexual or a thrill kill. I think it was anger that drove him.

But that may make him very hard to find. He likely has no close friends that would know of his obsession or notice any change in behavior. He will probably quietly leave town. His DNA is probably all over the crime scene but he probably does not have a record so nothing to match. They might get lucky with familial DNA matches but that could take years. And there is probably going to be so much foreign DNA on all of their bodies that there will be a lot of false leads. All the the victims were around lots of other people that evening in a crowded bar or at a party. Plus, all the visitors to the house!

Think about it. If you knew someone who was obsessed with one of those girls, now or in the past, wouldn't you have already contacted LE?

I have no opinion formed on the motive because they have not released enough clues yet. I do think whoever did this is going to have a very hard time not getting caught.

I will be very surprised if they don't have a lot of video evidence that they are sifting through.

Two roommates survived and they probably know more about the victims daily lives than than anyone else

They are part of the generation that posts their entire lives on social media.

Whoever did this used a knife and I suspect they left behind lots of evidence. Not only was it messy but they also did it at a time when they would stick out like a sore thumb on the street. There must be video footage of the person.

I also would not rule out drugs. College kids doing drugs would not exactly be surprising.

Whatever the answer is, I think we are going to have it sooner than later.

 

[Curiosa20]

ICE = in case of emergency. You can put ICE next to a contact name in your phone if you’d like them to be notified in case of emergency, so that police/paramedics or whoever know who to call.

Oh, thank you.

 

[AngTxGal]

You’re correct and I overlooked that. Thank you. So this visitor either didn’t have a phone (highly doubt that). Maybe they left the phone in their car (doubt that too) . It makes me think this visitor not only saw an unconscious body but a bloody one. This visitor “connected” with the two roommates below and why the choice was made to use one of the roommates phones to call 911 and not theirs is a little interesting.

It sounds like a friend came to check on them and knocked on the door/ rang the bell. The roommates from downstairs came up and answered- and they told them- Hey we can’t reach our friend. So they went further inside and saw one of the bodies and called 911.
Nothing sus about that at all to me IMO. They would assume passed out drunk unconscious before stabbed to death If they saw a person on their stomach. It sounds like they rendered aid- maybe dispatcher just didnt update to stabbing.

 

[Spartygirl]

They didn't use the term "surviving roommate." They just said "a roommates' phone." It could have possibly been the phone of one of the deceased roommates. You also don't have to unlock a phone with a password or whatever to call 911. Why would someone do that? I have no idea, but until LE is totally clear on who it was that called and on whose phone - we're just speculating.

Some reports say call from roommate to 911 made Outside of home.
I assumed it was from inside of home.

Very curious to know whose phone and who made the call.

Hoping the upcoming presser will answer some questions.


Just curious

 

[otto]

@Garshin​

Really appreciate your floor plans! Re-posting your drawings in case anyone missed them. Very helpful in visualizing the layout. A question: should the bathroom on the third floor be more towards the middle?

Idaho murders: Inside the off-campus house where 4 students were killed

Idaho students were killed on Nov. 13 is a three-story, six-bedroom, three-bath, single-family home with three doors.

www.foxnews.com

 

[whiskers]

I’m still curious if someone watched the house. Loud noises. Partying, etc. Perhaps because I have someone who watches mine. Now used to it. Was it a local? I have to turn on floodlights, cameras, all of it. And it seems it’s never enough until I put all floodlights out. Theirs is a house easily visible via neighbors.

 

[mrtnira]

What about this situation is like the extreme examples you’ve mentioned?
Likely this FBI CIRG Group is used in other ways since 1995
Or Am I missing something, do they have a subject holding off law enforcement with guns?

Universities are big business. The victims were students. If this is going to impact the university, the state government may have made some phone calls to bring in other assets? (Just my thoughts.)

 

[AngTxGal]

Some reports say call from roommate to 911 made Outside of home.
I assumed it was from inside of home.

BBM---Also-- How can you make a 911 call without unlocking a phone??
I just tried on my own phone and could not do it.

Just curious

If I saw a bloody scene, I would go outside too.
You can’t dial 911 on your phone without unlocking it? I can