ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 56

[LovesPeace2]

I was really stumped! when I saw that the workers at the Mad Greek restaurant did not recall seeing BK there!
I was positive that was where he first saw them! Now I don't have a clue.

I think he saw them at that bar , he wouldn't stand out age wise there, I think he hit on one of them and got shot down or didn't have the balls to talk to them and that's where the following or stalking started jmvoo

 

[10ofRods]

He didn't have the sheath when he left, so where did he put this bloody knife when he got back into his car? On the passenger seat? Floorboard? Bag?

No matter how thoroughly he cleaned the car, there must be some DNA from the knife inside the car.

MOO just thinking out loud

I think so too. Since he used the knife to kill and had no sheath to put it in, it had to be carried bare to where ever he carried it (even if he wrapped it up in his jacket when he got to the car or whatever).

I bet this will be a big exercise in DNA detection in car upholstery, carpet and every other surface. Carpet likes to keep its DNA.

He at least steps in blood, as well.

 

[OrangeRhyme]

He didn't have the sheath when he left, so where did he put this bloody knife when he got back into his car? On the passenger seat? Floorboard? Bag?

No matter how thoroughly he cleaned the car, there must be some DNA from the knife inside the car.

MOO just thinking out loud

Maybe plastic bag he had in his pocket.
I'm assuming he wore gloves also.
So put knife, gloves, mask and sweater in plastic bag and then in the trunk.
Maybe this was the thud.

 

[Erutan]

Humans are wild and unpredictable. I can understand why people might want to reserve judgment in this case, but I am guessing that things will change after the preliminary. It's already gotten less "BCK is innocent" since the PCA, of course.

I am confident that BCK will be convicted and the strands of evidence and the story that could be told a trial will hold even more shocking facts. OTOH, he might wiggle out through a plea bargain - not every criminal is required to tell all to get a plea bargain, either (I believe Rader was; DeAngelo wasn't),

I still think BCK wants to have his memoirs out there, even he has to use someone else as main author - that person will show up.

bbm
That's so awful.

What chance did the victims have to put anything out there ?
Did they like to write poetry ?
Paint ?
Sing ?
I get it that prisoners have rights, but it feels wrong for anyone to hear or read what BK has to say when he silenced four young voices, forever.
Wrong for him to benefit in any way if he is convicted.
M00.

 

[kaen]

I was really stumped! when I saw that the workers at the Mad Greek restaurant did not recall seeing BK there!
I was positive that was where he first saw them! Now I don't have a clue.

I have college age kids. They are on social dating apps, social gaming apps, and posting to instagram with hashtags all the time. He may have seen them on social media at the restaurant or at events. He might have cruised over to the campus at the beginning of the semester. As a grad student/TA socializing with undergrads at his university would not be something that he might wish to do given that he is so much older or him being in a position of authority. So off to Idaho he probably went. He might have run into them once in August or September and began to follow one/all of these women then. We know he was in that neighborhood a lot. I think he was looking for the party house where young women would be unaware. I think he noticed who was us late, who came home late, who got late night deliveries once he honed in on the house. I think he was stalking and planning all semester. Was it revenge for a slight of one of them or a perceived slight? I am not sure we will ever know. But, in these days, young people are connecting, connected and not as secure as in the days before people who didn't know would have to physically see you. Now, you can be digitally known and a person could really know all about you fairly quickly. (It is one of the things that is always amazing about this website...people find all kinds of connections within minutes. This murderer probably was able to do the same.) JMHO.

 

[OrangeRhyme]

I think he saw them at that bar , he wouldn't stand out age wise there, I think he hit on one of them and got shot down or didn't have the balls to talk to them and that's where the following or stalking started jmvoo

I'm guessing they're examining all his purchases and cross referencing with the girls.

I presume it's all tap payments there also.

 

[Cedars]

Imo it means a lot that they would even put this statement out. Because it would have been completely reckless and could’ve put lives in danger. They recognize that. So imo they feel the need to clarify this to the public—which I don’t think is something they usually do.

Didn’t stop msm from reporting the rumors and filling peoples heads with that bs though.

As well, FBI can't just call up another police jurisdiction and ask them to secretly assign an officer to work for the FBI. Inter-agency cooperation is much more formal than that. FBI is not always welcome, and would become less so if they started demanding other random police officers do their work for them.

If they wanted to get a look at his hands, etc., they'd assign a plain-clothes FBI officer to follow his car and into a restaurant or bathroom, etc.

 

[10ofRods]

Having read the affidavit I think the guy is guilty, and in this country I am allowed to have and share that opinion.
If I was on the jury I of course would do my civil duty to the best of my ability and set my own thoughts on a shelf to be sure justice had been served.
Problem is, there are some people never selected for a jury, because we spend our lives in as world of science and critical thinking, and teach that to others
That is exactly who the defense does Not want on a jury.

Exactly, especially for a trial like this one. I watched a criminal defense attorney get impanelled in a criminal case, though it was not a case involving lots of forensics. Judge just asked him, "Are you going to follow the dictates of your profession and obey the laws and rules of evidence?" Lawyer says, "Of course." Judge: "Go sit in the box."

Now in that case, it was an attempt on the part of the prosecution to get a jury impanelled quickly, as they knew the defendant was losing his nerve. They wanted to tell him that some really smart people were on the jury, like lawyers. So the new jury was sent home for the day; the lawyers all went to the judge's chambers and sure enough, the guy plead guilty to the lesser charge they had offered him and saved our county lots of expense (and the jurors a lot of time). The PD also wanted his client to get pushed to plea bargain.

 

[Tranquileyes]

I was really stumped! when I saw that the workers at the Mad Greek restaurant did not recall seeing BK there!
I was positive that was where he first saw them! Now I don't have a clue.

Maybe he just went exploring. Wanted somewhere close by but not too close. Another state a few minutes away was perfect. He probably took a drive around U of I and then spotted the house not too far from campus. Maybe there really is no link at all between them. Perhaps that was part of his plan to avoid detection. No link.. different city, different state.

I suppose an extensive analysis of his movements through phone records and traffic cams from the moment he moved to WA could be cross referenced with info from family/friend interviews, of the victims, to see if any of their paths may have crossed.

MOO

 

[WingsOverTX]

I was really stumped! when I saw that the workers at the Mad Greek restaurant did not recall seeing BK there!
I was positive that was where he first saw them! Now I don't have a clue.

I'm not convinced. It was just a couple of employees who said that. Is there CCTV that can be checked there or nearby (I know it's kinda a late ask), are there receipts or credit card purchases, did he park nearby & watch?

I'd want more before writing it off. Also did the victim with a sister attending WSU in Pullman (I won't ID due to TOS) ever frequent anyplace he did there?

His downstairs neighbor says he was rarely home before midnight & up noisy during the night.

Not needing much sleep leaves a lot of time for stalking, which IMO is a favorite pastime of his per the PCA.

MOO

 

[Cool Cats]

Because his DNA is on that sheath, and represents the nail in BKs coffin, the defense is going to go all
out to try and negate its importance-- how they will try and do this will prove interesting--they may allege
he was framed or other nonsense and of course they will have DNA experts put forth theories to
confuse the jury.

Yup.

When there is incriminating evidence the defense attorneys always try to get that evidence tossed out of the trial. They file Motions to have the evidence excluded. This is "touch" DNA from some cells so if the judge denies the Motion to have the DNA excluded, the defense will likely get their own experts to testify as to why "touch" DNA is unreliable.

Then as you mention, there is always the "fall back" defense of saying your client was framed. It could be presented as someone else committed the murders and framed BK or that LE was desperate to solve the crimes so LE framed BK.

I think it is too far fetched for the defense to say someone got BK's sheath and planted it, but not too far fetched for the defense to try other methods to get the DNA tossed out.

Another defense tactic is to say the DNA was not collected properly, left out too long, not handed over in the proper chain of command and so forth.

The best thing for the defense is to keep any DNA evidence from going before a jury. The prosecution has their own experts who can testify that the DNA evidence is rock solid.

Juries like DNA evidence because it helps convince them beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant is guilty and that they are not condemning an innocent man.

After all, many convicted inmates have been exonerated and had their guilty verdicts overturned because of DNA being processed years later. DNA is seen as strong direct evidence.

 

[Gemmie]

Nowhere. Both references in the affidavit to the location of Kernoodle's body indicate she was found on the floor of her bedroom

I think the confusion for some people (understandably) is because when the affidavit first came out Cathy Russon was tweeting out parts of it which were posted here from her Twitter account (before we had a chance to read the actual affidavit for ourselves. I am quite purposely not attaching a link to her site because she had paraphrased what she was reading (bad idea when it comes to interpreting an affidavit.) and I don't want to cause more confusion with her paraphrasing of the affidavit. I'm hoping that's OK.

With that said, she had paraphrased the following:

Ofc Smith and Sgt. Blaker entered the residence on the bottom floor and went up to the second floor. Just before Xana's room, he saw her body on the floor. She was deceased with wounds which appeared to be have been caused by an edged weapon.

What the ACTUAL affidavit says:

Just before this room there was a bathroom door on the south wall of the hallway. As I approached the room, I could see a body, later identified as Kernodle's, laying on the floor.

So, to me, Cathy's tweet reads like he saw her body lying on the floor just before Xana's room (meaning not IN the room). But what is said in the affidavit is he saw a body as he approached the room which to me very likely means he saw her on the floor of her room through the open door as he approached. Obviously I could be wrong but I do think it's better to discuss what was actually said in the affidavit vs someone's interpretation of what they read and tweeted out.

Shouldn't paraphrase.... tsk tsk.

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[Friday Fan]

As well, FBI can't just call up another police jurisdiction and ask them to secretly assign an officer to work for the FBI. Inter-agency cooperation is much more formal than that. FBI is not always welcome, and would become less so if they started demanding other random police forces do their work for them.

If they wanted to get a look at his hands, etc., they'd assign a plain-clothes FBI officer to follow his car and into a restaurant or bathroom, etc.

Exactly.
And at six weeks, I really don't think they would make much effort to examine his hands anyway! That sounds like a social media rumor. So what if he had scars on his hands? Lots of people have scars on their hands. Generally, police look at fresh wounds, not scars.

 

[CSIDreamer]

OFC Smith and I entered the King Road Residence through the bottom floor door on the
north side of the building. OFC Smith and I then walked upstairs to the second floor. OFC Smith
directed me down the hallway to the west bedroom on the second floor, which I later learned
(through Xana's driver's license and other personal belongings found in the room) was Xana
Kernodle's, hereafter "Kernodle" room. Just before this room there was a bathroom door on the
south wall of the hallway. As I approached the room, I could see a body, later identified as
Kemodle's, laying on the floor. Kernodle was deceased with wounds which appeared to have
been caused by an edged weapon

Not sure are you saying something or just copy/pasting?

 

[rahod1]

He didn't have the sheath when he left, so where did he put this bloody knife when he got back into his car? On the passenger seat? Floorboard? Bag?

No matter how thoroughly he cleaned the car, there must be some DNA from the knife inside the car.

MOO just thinking out loud

Don't know about DNA from the knife, since he could have easily wrapped it up in something and /or placed it in a backpack. However, I do think they will find DNA and DOG hairs.....mulitple attempts at *cleaning* notwithstanding. MOO.

 

[Copper107]

New thread opened up before I could answer this question

" What I want to know is why do so many people keep asking other forum members 'why did x do y'. Are we supposed to be able to read other people's minds? Why keeping asking why?"



I think maybe we are just wanting to know what others on here may be thinking. We don't have answers but maybe someone's input could lead us in the right direction. Just looking for opinions and thoughts about things. This is a discussion board and hearing others opinions is interesting and can also be enlightening. Sometimes some of us even get it right. Much of the time, not so much.....

It is a valuable tool, if only for that one time "someone gets it right." Off topic but to your point, a doctor (MD) took to "crowd sourcing" certain medical phenomenon to persons and specialists around the world, in order to help patients with diseases and illness that their doctors had been unable to diagnose. Her innovative strategy led to many people having their illnesses diagnosed and successfully treated.

 

[Erutan]

ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 55

More recently, I've noticed investigators cut and take samples versus the entire mattress. Also, I think it possible these mattresses in the photos could be from rooms other than the victims. JMO Well, I can see body-shaped stains on one of them, along with what looks like blood on the...

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Bringing this post over from the previous thread.

H.S. friends say accused Idaho killer Bryan Kohberger was bullied in school

Kohberger is charged with the murders of four University of Idaho students. His study of criminology was an attempt "to understand humans and … himself," according to a friend.

www.yahoo.com

"...Now Bree, like many who knew him, struggles to connect the person they once knew to this unspeakable crime, "Where did it go wrong? What happened? …Why didn't I see it ?"
Sad.
I feel for everyone who crossed paths with this man !
Hopefully people who knew and trusted him won't be too hard on themselves .
Even if they saw massive red flags, there isn't much one can do to help if the person in question will not seek help themselves ?

From reading this thread, it sounds like his crimes may have blindsided even his own family ?

While I abhor bullying, this apparently occurred while BK was heavier -- and possibly in his high school days ?
Was BK more accepted during his university years ?
BK, like others, could have tried to put it behind him.
The excuse of being bullied hasn't worked well for others who have been convicted, and it's not going to help him in his defense; imo.
Not an excuse.
M00.

Eta : Curious what the defense will bring to the table.

• Past bullying by others will be a weak defense, imo. Many of us were bullied and it didn't lead us on a violent path.
• BK could bring up a troubled childhood, but with his family right there they may object if asked to testify.
• Paranoid delusions or a blackout of sorts ? -- Doubtful, as BK took steps to cover up his crimes, shows planning.

 

[Friday Fan]

Not sure are you saying something or just copy/pasting?

It's copied from the PCA.
I had it open on my hard drive. PDF reader wouldn't close to upload.
Found a link upthread.

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[S. Gammon]

I realize this has likely been mentioned before, but I thought LE stated the victims were asleep when they were murdered. I'm struggling to understand how someone could order DoorDash at 4:00a.m.,be watching TikTok, and then be so asleep a few short minutes later that they were murdered without making a sound?, This all took place within approximately 25 minutes? <modsnip>

 

[AngTxGal]

I was really stumped! when I saw that the workers at the Mad Greek restaurant did not recall seeing BK there!
I was positive that was where he first saw them! Now I don't have a clue.

I missed this, where and who has shared this info?

JMO