ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 62

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In fact, Kohberger was one of only a few students who kept appointments at a Pullman medical office after the crimes, a receptionist there told Insider.

Four days after the killings, Kohberger arrived at his appointment in his black North Face jacket and was so friendly with staff members that they took notice.

The receptionist at the office, who declined to give her name because discussing the interaction might violate medical-privacy laws, said Kohberger acted so friendly that it prompted her boss to comment.

"She said, 'He's so nice and charming' — she never says that about anybody," the receptionist told Insider. "I was like, 'Yeah, he really was.'"

It is actually a HIPAA violation to discuss both his attendance and his demeanour.
 

Newly released body camera footage shows slain University of Idaho student Kaylee Goncalves speaking to cops three months before she and three friends were brutally murdered.

Moscow Police responded to the off-campus home Goncalves and her friends were renting on August 16, after neighbors complained about the noise coming from an apparent party at the house.

Goncalves, 21, was polite and respectful as an officer let her off with a warning.

The video, released Wednesday by the Law and Crime Network, documents the Moscow Police's visit to the King Road home back in August.

Goncalves could be seen coming out a sliding glass door wearing a tan strapless dress as she greets the officers on the scene, saying, 'Hey guys.'

A cop then asks if she knows why they were called to the home, to which Goncalves replied, 'I assume noise.'

The cop then confirmed that the Moscow Police Department did, in fact, receive a call about the excessive noise coming from the home, noting there was a 'big speaker right there.'

He went on to say he had 'nothing against having a party [but] once neighbor's start calling in, then we have an issue.'

'Fair,' Goncalves replied.
In the picture that shows Murphy inside the house, look to the right. It looks like a well-worn pathway up through the woodsy area. I bet people came and went on foot quite a bit from the hill above, down to the sliding door entrance.
 
It is indeed a puzzlement. After reading what I believe are all of his TAT posts, I see a bright young man who is facing a profound illness/disability and trying to find an answer.

He tries rigid discipline (army interests), special diets (more than one), and sees specialists and is prescribed a medicine that makes him "crazy," he says (he mentions that he has violent urges during that phase). He worries that he'll never have a normal life and can't understand why this illness is happening to him.

So, from my POV, he lost functioning. He couldn't really finish HS, he goes to adult ed/technical school. Gains some functioning at some point. Goes to an online university, is optimistic that he'll be part of society. He worries, in the TAT, that he will be denied a "normal life."

And yes, according to what we have available on the media thread here, he's also doing heroin.

Look up DeSales's admission rates and completion rates. This is not a selective program. That is not to say it's bad. I'm sure he learned a lot. But it's not the same as, say, getting a job as a uniformed police officer and *then* doing criminal justice. Most people in CJ programs have work experience of some kind, IME.

His whole trajectory is peculiar, bumpy and fraught with concerning circumstances. I believe his family desperately wanted to believe he was "okay" and could be launched. I believe they all knew he was "different" and were encouraging him on these various pathways. They must have been so hopeful when he went out to WSU.

I believe that he knew he had major social/psychological/neurological deficits, but finally gained hope that he'd succeed anyway. Something broke and this all went pear-shaped. I don't think there was a good way to predict it, either.
So tragic. His TAT posts show a bright young man who writes well and is perceptive and honest about his fears and struggles. He was facing a serious illness/disability, was keenly aware of his problems and kept looking for and trying different solutions that might help him have a normal life.
 
This isn't 1972 anymore.

I'd like to know if the depraved coward actually/seriously thought that he'd get away with committing a crime like this in 2023?

If he actually did think that he'd never get caught, not only is he not very bright, but highly delusional, to boot.

Of course, it's quite possible that knew he'd eventually get caught and/or wanted to get caught to gain the notoriety.

Good questions.

I think he didn't really care and does not currently care about getting away with it. He felt cowmpelled to do it and while he did not want to be caught, it wasn't his top priority.

I think he wants the notoriety (he thinks academia awards fame and fortune, as that's what he's seen in some of his prior experiences, but in fact, it's just a long hard grind to get a public job as a criminologist - or an academic job; to my knowledge, there are no freelance criminologists who haven't already written books and sold scripts, etc).

I think he knew he'd caught and prepared for this phase of defending himself in advance.

Why? I have two theories. Either part of him realized he really needs to be caught and he's daring Society to catch him (meaning: he knows he can't control himself and that he's a monster, so we need to stop him).

OR, he is hoping merely for book deals and fame, as you suggest. Maybe both theories can be right at the same time.

I want to add that many criminals express some degree of relief at being contained and prevented from any further evil actions. This is usually only one of the things they tell themselves.

In a weird way, we're seeing a generational shift in how mass murder/potential serial killing works or gets set into motion. "You're okay, you're fine" as his mantra (if true) is not what Random Maniac Murderers were saying to themselves back in the 1950's, as far as I can tell. He's something like Attias or Rodger (and he knows this). It's not a suicide-by-cop situation, it's a "containment by state prison" kind of situation.
 
I bet I missed it, but where was it said it was a WSU clinic? The article said a doctor's office near his home.
No, you're right -- the article I read does not specify, but another simply says an office near his home. I had assumed it was the on campus clinic based on some discussion here.

It wouldn't surprise me if he did in fact visit the clinic at WSU, as they seem capable of providing extensive care for students (and would eliminate the need to find primary care elsewhere / pay additional fees). Sounds like for now it is unknown.
 
Good questions.

I think he didn't really care and does not currently care about getting away with it. He felt cowmpelled to do it and while he did not want to be caught, it wasn't his top priority.

I think he wants the notoriety (he thinks academia awards fame and fortune, as that's what he's seen in some of his prior experiences, but in fact, it's just a long hard grind to get a public job as a criminologist - or an academic job; to my knowledge, there are no freelance criminologists who haven't already written books and sold scripts, etc).

I think he knew he'd caught and prepared for this phase of defending himself in advance.

Why? I have two theories. Either part of him realized he really needs to be caught and he's daring Society to catch him (meaning: he knows he can't control himself and that he's a monster, so we need to stop him).

OR, he is hoping merely for book deals and fame, as you suggest. Maybe both theories can be right at the same time.

I want to add that many criminals express some degree of relief at being contained and prevented from any further evil actions. This is usually only one of the things they tell themselves.

In a weird way, we're seeing a generational shift in how mass murder/potential serial killing works or gets set into motion. "You're okay, you're fine" as his mantra (if true) is not what Random Maniac Murderers were saying to themselves back in the 1950's, as far as I can tell. He's something like Attias or Rodger (and he knows this). It's not a suicide-by-cop situation, it's a "containment by state prison" kind of situation.
Good post I agree
 
No, you're right -- the article I read does not specify, but another simply says an office near his home. I had assumed it was the on campus clinic based on some discussion here.

It wouldn't surprise me if he did in fact visit the clinic at PSU, as they seem capable of providing extensive care for students (and would eliminate the need to find primary care elsewhere / pay additional fees). Sounds like for now it is unknown.
Yeah, and I'd think all employees at WSU were strictly warned not to speak to the press. If not, someone just lost their job. MOO
 
Since BK restrained 4 victims so fast, do you think he used a taser first?
I haven't seen any repoorts about restraint, only stabbing. And it really doesn't take long to stab 4 possibly intoxicated people that are asleep/in bed at 4:00 am. Fish in a barrel. Possibly even less than 3 minutes.

Ghastly. :(

JMHO
 
just checking in. What have I missed in the last couple of days?

(Just kidding....you don't owe me anything. My post was just a comment on the fact that unless you spend 12 hours a day following posts on this case you will definitely be out of touch.)

Carry on.
 
I think I posted this wrong, but doesn't it seem awfully young to be so self-aware of your psychopathy? IMO
I didn't think so remembering myself at that age, completely self absorbed and fascinated by my own terminal uniqueness..
I wouldn't have been setting traps though in search of people I deemed worse than myself or been where I was going..
i'd have just done it, without the manipulation and what I perceive to be dishonesty here.
Me me Me.. kinda controlling, almost like a way of gaining power or a sense of superiority over others..
I certainly wouldn't place him in the level of any known mental condition though unless what I'm describing goes beyond manipulative entrapment..
 
I was looking at the photos of Kaylee and Madison- they always look so happy, smiling and joyous-
I wonder if he was jealous of them thinking they had a perfect life, and being unhappy with his own life. And this jealousy turned to rage and he decided to kill them--- the other two students, Ethan and Xana were collateral damage. I don't think he expected a man to be there.
 
Defense attorneys are not all awful and disrespectful. They are a very important part of our justice system. The idea that a defense attorney would claim a victim in this case is the real killer is preposterous in my opinion.

JMO.
IMO I politely disagree with your last sentence, after all, I believe a defence attorney’s job is really just to show reasonable doubt, in any way possible. MOO
 
So tragic. His TAT posts show a bright young man who writes well and is perceptive and honest about his fears and struggles. He was facing a serious illness/disability, was keenly aware of his problems and kept looking for and trying different solutions that might help him have a normal life.

Isn't it sad? He really dislikes/disapproves of himself. He admits he can be violent, and that some of the meds prescribed have been disastrous. I wonder if this became a pattern for him. He keeps trying, goes to doctors, things keep going sideways - until this awful crime. I really want to know what the final triggers were. It was likely too much for him to try and keep up the performance of normality.

Meanwhile, people all around him are progressing through their phases of life with joy and happiness. He worries that he'll never acquire social skills.

But. MOST people who are like this do not become mass murderers. Someone upthread mentioned that of perhaps he was delusional (a result depersonalization and derealization) If so, he's one of the few people who actually admitted it and wrote it down before he did it. He actually gives a list of his symptoms and why he thinks he's a lost cause (to paraphrase).
 
It's a good thing they caught this monster now.Sounds like he was happy and upbeat after the killings and I have zero doubt he would have killed again. MOO
I want to know what his plans were.
he's had the ultimate head screw, he played God, took lives..
And you know, he could just as easily have thrown an incendiary device in that house, that night had his only desire been death and destruction and fast.
Or a gun.
Or CHON
He chose a knife and his hands on this occasion, allegedly.
What comes after a knife and what, if anything preceded it?
 
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