DNA Doe Project - General Discussion #3

[djanga]

Jonesport John Doe identidad as Philip Kahn of Las Vegas, the DDP is not mentioned in the article, a bit strange as I don’t understand what do they mean by “the new technology” mentioned in the article

Remains found in Maine identified after more than 20 years

The remains were found in the Atlantic Ocean back in 2000

www.wmtw.com

 

[doggybag2355]

Jonesport John Doe 2000 - DNA Doe Project Cases Official announcement.

It seems that he was identified through fingerprint advancements, as his dna matches were distant. I do remember he had a LOT of matches on GEDMatch, possibly due to the Jewish ancestry

 

[djanga]

Also forgot to mention that Chattanooga Birchwood John Doe 2006 (Tennessee) is a DDP’s featured case of this month, unfortunately despite of his very high match of cM 404, he has not been identified. The DDP poster says he has “a complicated family tree dynamics”. I wonder what does it mean

 

[djanga]

Just saw that the DDP answered that “a complicated family tree dynamics” refers to “it is possible that there is an adoption or other event in his family line”

 

[djanga]

There is an interarticle on Yahoo about Kahn’s identification which discusses other DDP’s Maine cases (the DDP is called “Jane Doe Project”):

Human remains identified 23 years after being found floating miles off Maine coast

Jan. 12—The remains of a Las Vegas man have been identified nearly 23 years after they were found off the coast of Maine. The Office of the Chief Medical Examiner announced Wednesday that it confirmed the remains, which were found on July 24, 2000, belonged to 84-year-old Philip Kahn. It is...

www.yahoo.com

The forensic genealogy research was done with assistance from the Jane Doe Project, a California-based nonprofit that also is trying to identify a Victorian-era child whose remains were found in Sanford in 2017. The medical examiner's office also worked with the Jane Doe Project to successfully identify a man who died in Maine in 2014

 

[iamshadow21]

Just saw that the DDP answered that “a complicated family tree dynamics” refers to “it is possible that there is an adoption or other event in his family line”

Other event, meaning a non parental event. An affair, a child resulting from a one night stand, etc.

I know Kelly (EDJD) who was IDed last year was held up for years, because despite a close cousin match, nobody in the family had any idea who she was. She wasn't known to them. Whoever had parented her from their line had done it secretly or, if it was the father, hadn't known a child had resulted. They gave her the name 'Memory' while they waited for her real name to be discovered, and seemed to feel her lack of known identity as deeply as investigators and sleuths did, despite not knowing she existed before being contacted.

Here's hoping Chattanooga Birchwood John Doe gets his name back this year, and if there are family out there waiting, they get their answers.

 

[djanga]

Other event, meaning a non parental event. An affair, a child resulting from a one night stand, etc.

I know Kelly (EDJD) who was IDed last year was held up for years, because despite a close cousin match, nobody in the family had any idea who she was. She wasn't known to them. Whoever had parented her from their line had done it secretly or, if it was the father, hadn't known a child had resulted. They gave her the name 'Memory' while they waited for her real name to be discovered, and seemed to feel her lack of known identity as deeply as investigators and sleuths did, despite not knowing she existed before being contacted.

Here's hoping Chattanooga Birchwood John Doe gets his name back this year, and if there are family out there waiting, they get their answers.

Thank you for your detailed explanation! I did not know this. It made me think there are at least two DDP’s Does who have have a similar complicated family tree dynamics - Apache Junction Jane Doe and Mowry Wetlands Jane Doe.

 

[iamshadow21]

Thank you for your detailed explanation! I did not know this. It made me think there are at least two DDP’s Does who have have a similar complicated family tree dynamics - Apache Junction Jane Doe and Mowry Wetlands Jane Doe.

Family is complicated, whether it's because of people playing away, or because they really really don't. So, wherever you get an insular population as well, it's tricky. A lot of Jewish folks (Ashkenazi in particular), Amish and similar sects, FLDS (or even regular LDS who have been LDS for generations), some Appalachian areas... When EVERYONE from your particular group shares enough DNA to read as a second, third or fourth cousin, it's really, really challenging territory. Especially if your group is a bit standoffish from government and is hit and miss whether they register births. There are certain Does where the DNA quality is great, but the actual data is enough to cause any genetic geneologist a whole bunch of grey hairs.

 

[Oakie]

Does anyone know what the holdup is on Granty County, KY John Doe? The silence is deafening.

 

[iamshadow21]

Does anyone know what the holdup is on Granty County, KY John Doe? The silence is deafening.

The one from Williamstown in '89? The table on wikipedia says he's still undergoing geneological analysis. So, it's not stalled. Might just be slow going, waiting for closer matches to upload their DNA and opt in. Sometimes it takes a while.

 

[Tired Professor]

Sometimes it takes a while

Yes it does. Apache Junction and Kings Co Jane doe have been undergoing genealogical analysis for years now.

 

[djanga]

Luce County John Doe (Michigan) seems to be a difficult case as well

Can You Help Identify the Luce County John Doe?

On Oct. 24, 1987, bird hunters found human remains in a remote wooded area of Michigan’s Upper Peninsula. Classified as a homicide, the cause and manner of death is undetermined. And 36 years later, the victim, “Luce County John Doe,” remains unidentified. Michigan State Police in alliance with...

www.9and10news.com

 

[djanga]

According to the article about Luce County Doe, the DDP identified around 100 cases, so far there are 77 official announcements and 4 more cases where Namus was removed but announcement has not been made yet. So, around 20 more Does identified and pending announcements.

I am wondering if Dane County Chimney Doe is one of them, they have a very good highest match on the spreadsheet!

Dane Co Chimney Doe 1989 - DNA Doe Project

Description On September 3, 1989 the owners of the Good ‘n Loud Music store on University Avenue in Madison, Wisconsin, while removing a leaky boiler in the basement, saw a skull through a pipe connecting the boiler to the chimney. Further investigation by authorities revealed a complete human...

dnadoeproject.org

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1O2GYCflA5CpOWkp-XBHaExE6_ocVNbJN/htmlview#gid=1442094189

 

[iamshadow21]

According to the article about Luce County Doe, the DDP identified around 100 cases, so far there are 77 official announcements and 4 more cases where Namus was removed but announcement has not been made yet. So, around 20 more Does identified and pending announcements.

I am wondering if Dane County Chimney Doe is one of them, they have a very good highest match on the spreadsheet!

Dane Co Chimney Doe 1989 - DNA Doe Project

Description On September 3, 1989 the owners of the Good ‘n Loud Music store on University Avenue in Madison, Wisconsin, while removing a leaky boiler in the basement, saw a skull through a pipe connecting the boiler to the chimney. Further investigation by authorities revealed a complete human...

dnadoeproject.org

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1O2GYCflA5CpOWkp-XBHaExE6_ocVNbJN/htmlview#gid=1442094189

Oh, I would love for it to be Chimney Doe's year for an identification. Their case is one of a small number of Trans Doe Task Force cases I follow.

 

[Friday Fan]

Luce County John Doe (Michigan) seems to be a difficult case as well

Can You Help Identify the Luce County John Doe?

On Oct. 24, 1987, bird hunters found human remains in a remote wooded area of Michigan’s Upper Peninsula. Classified as a homicide, the cause and manner of death is undetermined. And 36 years later, the victim, “Luce County John Doe,” remains unidentified. Michigan State Police in alliance with...

www.9and10news.com

The genealogy process of identifying Lake Michigan Jane: The team was able to narrow in on a family of interest within a day...

Her DNA was uploaded in August 2021 and her identity was announced last week So, even one of their quickest cases takes 18 months or so.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1O2GYCflA5CpOWkp-XBHaExE6_ocVNbJN/htmlview#

 

[djanga]

The genealogy process of identifying Lake Michigan Jane: The team was able to narrow in on a family of interest within a day...

Her DNA was uploaded in August 2021 and her identity was announced last week So, even one of their quickest cases takes 18 months or so.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1O2GYCflA5CpOWkp-XBHaExE6_ocVNbJN/htmlview#

I am also wondering if Nation River Lady (Ontario, Canada) was identified, her FamilyTree DNA match was over 400 cM, if she had been identified it could have happened as early as beginning of 2020…

 

[djanga]

Accorfing to a tiktok video of Dna Doe Project about the DDP’s Washington cases, Mercer County John Doe was of Latin American origin, the DDP team who is working on his case made a great progress and hopefully there will be an update soon

Happy to hear it, one of the Latin American Does probably identified.

Tiktok

 

[doggybag2355]

Florence Clandestine Grave Jane Doe is almost halfway to her funding goal according to a Twitter post

 

[DSCrime]

DDP in the news in TN:

DNA Doe Project works to identify three bodies found in Tennessee

 

[imstilla.grandma]

*I don’t have a clue if this belongs here. It may not so…here goes anyway.

Now, Intermountain Forensics is taking on even bigger projects than before. They received a grant from the City of Tulsa last year to identify bodies of people that may have been killed during the 1921 Tulsa Race Massacre.

Between May 31 and June 1, 1921, a white lynch mob attacked the Black neighborhood of Greenwood in Tulsa, Oklahoma for two days, destroying what had been dubbed Black Wall Street and killing more than 300 people. The attack had been predicated on an alleged assault against a white woman by a Black man. After a series of escalations from white residents, fthey eventually converged into Greenwood, destroying “35 square blocks of Greenwood, burning down over 1,200 homes, over 60 businesses, a school, a hospital, a public library, and a dozen churches,” according to Human Rights Watch.

Many of the victims ended up in unmarked graves, unidentified. The city of Tulsa blamed the Black community for the massacre.

This forensic DNA lab is using new tech to solve cold cases - Utah Business

Intermountain Forensics is helping to solve cold cases by using DNA. Utah's Cold Case Coalition is uncovering the truth behind Rosie Tapia's murder andtruth behind the Tulsa Race Massacre.

www.utahbusiness.com