ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 67

[newredtabby]

Or it could be that you guys want to give this guy a lot more credit than he deserves.....?

I know a few people with PhDs that can barely get themselves around a city without getting flustered. Or can't organize an event. Or are really good at talking about what they studied but struggle when applying the work.

A lot of the 'Maybe Bryan didn't do it!' it folk (not saying you) base their entire theories on the redemption genius stories they love seeing in movies. They just don't like the ending of this one.

I don't see any of that on here. I more often see derogatory comments towards BK calling him names. He is well educated, and has obtained degrees the VAST majority of Americans never do. If he is guilty of these crimes, he certainly made mistakes while committing them. Beyond that, there is no need to insult his intelligence, IMO.

 

[CityKid]

IMO he had the spot picked out for the knife and the clothes weeks or months before he went through with the murders.

But then again....he made mistakes in planning and at the scene during the crime. So tossing it out the window at a McDonald's drive thru isn't even a stretch at this point.

During one of my Google searches in this case (that would make me look suspicious if I ever did anything bad!) I looked up places to hide a knife and one of the first answers was...in a tree! Like fairly high up, deep at the base of a branch where it joins the tree. I agree with @SRWCF that it will probably be found by accident years from now. I wonder if anyone's ever done a plea deal (LWOP; no death penalty) to give up the location of a weapon?

 

[SRWCF]

I think the question "why didn't you call the police?" is likely to come up on cross, so the prosecutor will get there first. "Why didn't you check on your roommates?" "Why did you wait so long...?" --the same stuff that comes up in the media and on here.

No reason for the defense to do this, IMO, unless they want to build their case around DM being an accomplice, which they won't. Her "failure" to call 911 in a timely manner doesn't change the outcome of the crime. She is one of the victims here.

Also, I noted in the unsealed search warrant on page 21, it speaks of LE analyzing cell phone data of the surviving roommates. Could they have been texting each other while all of this was going on? I believe BF's bedroom is just below Xana's. So, unless she had earbuds in, she likely heard some movement above. Just another one of my theories. If the two roommates were, indeed, texting each other, BF was probably more afraid than DM because her room is on the ground floor with windows that could easily be accessed by the suspect. They didn't know if he was still in the house or had already left.

Search warrant unsealed in Idaho student murders suspect case | CNN

A Washington court unsealed search warrant documents used to retrieve evidence from the home and office of Bryan Kohberger, the 28-year-old accused of killing four University of Idaho students in November, according to documents made publicly available by Law & Crime Wednesday.

www.cnn.com

 

[SRWCF]

During one of my Google searches in this case (that would make me look suspicious if I ever did anything bad!) I looked up places to hide a knife and one of the first answers was...in a tree! Like fairly high up, deep at the base of a branch where it joins the tree. I agree with @SRWCF that it will probably be found by accident years from now. I wonder if anyone's ever done a plea deal (LWOP; no death penalty) to give up the location of a weapon?

Interesting. And if the knife was hidden up high enough where nobody could see it, the tree could easily grow around it after years and conceal the weapon altogether. Genius!

 

[CityKid]

Why, and more so, When did you call friends over before calling the police? Because of potential crime scene contamination.

I'm thinking the same thing about the defense arguing that the crime scene was contaminated.

 

[jepop]

This is such a good point! Thank you! Can you imagine LE coming in with a warrant and leaving with the carpet torn off the floor and every item of clothing / linen in his apartment? That seems like a massive violation of rights as established in search warrants and probable cause, IMO.

I was impressed with the references within the Application for Search Warrant that spoke to standards of least intrusive search, even with regard to digital data. I don't have a page so better post the whole link

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/search%20warrant%20for%20bryan%20kohberger%20apartment/ddb059f6cc8e24c1/full.pdf

 

[Deepinthought52]

He’s just an idiot who thought they’d never find him I think. It’s remarkable, how someone who studied things like this, scouted the house, and planned for months, did this.

I think he knew he was done when he left the sheath, and tried to cover it up. But he made more mistakes, and forgot items.

Idiot.

Or found out studying is not the same as doing…

 

[Boodles]

DO we know it was a fabric tag that had been sewn onto the mask and not the cardboard tag that said Dickies that would be tethered to the mask next to the price tag? I had been picturing the hanging tag with brand name.

No, we don’t. It says: “1 Walmart receipt with one Dickies tag.” That’s all that was shared.

 

[Which_pancake]

But to what purpose? Just as a distraction? Would a judge allow that? MOO

Exactly I don't see how whether or when she called the police has any bearing on whether or not BK committed these crimes, which is the focus of trial. MOO

 

[Ceska]

Roads had been blocked off near BK's apartment the night of the murders, due to a hit and run. Despite the police presence and roads blocked, BK still felt he had to go out that night and commit the murders. For BK to take that chance, being rerouted, not a direct path to the crime scene, drive past police and paramedics... makes a person wonder, it sort of tells me he had to do it that night... MOO.

Just hours before the Idaho murders, another grisly scene unfolded outside Bryan Kohberger's window

It's unclear whether the crash had anything to do with the killings or was a coincidence of two bloody crime scenes not far from each other.

news.yahoo.com

 

[SRWCF]

I'm thinking the same thing about the defense arguing that the crime scene was contaminated.

Oh, they will 100% argue that. However, if the hair strands that were collected from BCK's apartment were any of the victims, that they will not be able to argue.

 

[CLGM]

Does anybody remember - there was something about BK having had a conversation with another student about local hiking trails? I can’t remember if he was asking about a specific place? Would be interesting to look at how that place (if a specific place or area was mentioned) fits into his route on the day of/after the murders.

 

[Mad Hettie]

During one of my Google searches in this case (that would make me look suspicious if I ever did anything bad!) I looked up places to hide a knife and one of the first answers was...in a tree! Like fairly high up, deep at the base of a branch where it joins the tree. I agree with @SRWCF that it will probably be found by accident years from now. I wonder if anyone's ever done a plea deal (LWOP; no death penalty) to give up the location of a weapon?

That's interesting, considering his whereabouts the following day.
Then again...
The defense could easily say it's his usual habit to go hiking.

 

[10ofRods]

Regarding the discussion of him not owning sheets and towels.

The search warrant was pretty specific. It did not direct anyone to seize "sheets and towels". They took certain bedding pieces (or cuttings) that had stains or evidently tested presumptive for blood.

You can't just go in and take items outside the scope of the warrant.

The assumption he had no sheets or towels is growing wings here when we have absolutely no idea what was left in his apartment vs what was legally seized in compliance with the search warrant.

JMO

That's probably my fault. If it's true that they could take samples from pillows (are pillows mentioned in the search warrant? I need to go check), they could take samples from towels (and should have). I guess DNA evidence was not the goal, just blood stains? That's too bad.

I did realize in the middle of the night that it's likely that there are sealed warrants still outstanding. The warrant we're discussing was filed on Dec 29 and executed on Dec 30, IIRC.

I spent yesterday moaning about the sink trap, but it occurred to me that is quite intrusive and detrimental to the property owner (WSU) and would need more legal reasoning to accomplish.

I hope and pray they have gone back in and done that. No hurry, as BK isn't going back there any time soon.

If anyone has a link to the original warrant (not the results), I'd appreciate it.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Or it could be that you guys want to give this guy a lot more credit than he deserves.....?

I know a few people with PhDs that can barely get themselves around a city without getting flustered. Or can't organize an event. Or are really good at talking about what they studied but struggle when applying the work.

A lot of the 'Maybe Bryan didn't do it!' it folk (not saying you) base their entire theories on the redemption genius stories they love seeing in movies. They just don't like the ending of this one.

I agree with you. I know some of those too. He’s just a two bit criminal of the west kind.

 

[SRWCF]

I'm thinking the same thing about the defense arguing that the crime scene was contaminated.

Oh, they will 100% argue that. However, if the hair strands that were collected from BCK's apartment were any of the victims, that they will not be able to argue.

 

[maskedwoman]

I know nothing about this really, but I'm of the impression that specialist investigators would be able to trace a tag, if it has been cut off a piece of clothing like a balaclava, back to the item it was removed from, the batch and possibly even which outlet it was purchased from. MOO

I agree. We could even do it. All anyone would have to do is google the number on the barcode or any style number that comes up and you'll find it.

 

[Boodles]

I think the question "why didn't you call the police?" is likely to come up on cross, so the prosecutor will get there first. "Why didn't you check on your roommates?" "Why did you wait so long...?" --the same stuff that comes up in the media and on here.

I dread this poor young woman having to testify, but IMO it will be necessary. I hope, if it comes to trial, the defense is sensitive in their cross-examination. If they rake her over the coals, they will be alienating the jury big time. MOO.

 

[Recidivist]

I agree with you. I know some of those too. He’s just a two bit criminal of the west kind.

PA is east, not west.

 

[Love Never Fails]

This is such a good point! Thank you! Can you imagine LE coming in with a warrant and leaving with the carpet torn off the floor and every item of clothing / linen in his apartment? That seems like a massive violation of rights as established in search warrants and probable cause, IMO.

Maybe but if they did find victims blood, they will go back and get that plumbing. It’s happened in other cases.