ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 68

[esayer]

I was wondering what was going on too!

Also it's not something that has much effect on things so not sure why this is a point of contention. It's logical, and a logical thing LE did, and logical they would want to retrieve what he threw away, and logical to assume he was being deceptive in the motive of throwing said trash away in the neighbor's bin, and shows he had an inkling he might be under surveillance. IMO.

 

[layer]

It was included in the PCA, I'm pretty sure they're not relying on unnamed sources, nor would a Judge approve.

Can you post the portion of the PCA that describes BK throwing trash in the neighbor's bin?

 

[Mad Hettie]

Also it's not something that has much effect on things so not sure why this is a point of contention. It's logical, and a logical thing LE did, and logical they would want to retrieve what he threw away, and logical to assume he was being deceptive in the motive of throwing said trash away in the neighbor's bin, and shows he had an inkling he might be under surveillance. IMO.

It could have a big effect on things. Nothing from it was mentioned as evidence in the PCA, but maybe we'll see it later. When looking at a suspect, all the trash must be raked, but him just putting it in someone else's trash may not be the mark of a criminal.

 

[GreenieOwl]

One thing that has perplexed me is his Pennsylvania Public Defender stating BK is "eager to be exonerated of these charges and looks forward to resolving these matters as promptly as possible". Then, BK gets back to Idaho and waives his right to a quick preliminary hearing where he *might* have a shot at bail.

I know it's highly unlikely he would get out on bail but the chances would be higher than they are right now with him sitting in a jail cell until June with no bail opportunity. So much for him wanting to resolve "these matters as promptly as possible".

Something else that has struck me as odd is the Kohberger family statement. It doesn't come out and say Bryan did not commit these horrendous acts, it says they "promote his presumption of innocence" and "as a family we will love and support our son and brother". If I was certain my child had not done this, I would be using much more definitive language in proclaiming their innocence.

 

[esayer]

Can you post the portion of the PCA that describes BK throwing trash in the neighbor's bin?

The very last page.

 

[Which_pancake]

Why are people suddenly not believing BK threw trash in the neighbor's bin now? I'm confused. Idaho murders: Suspect threw out trash in neighbors' bins, source says

It's not that I am disbelieving it, I am just not giving full weight to unnamed "law enforcement source says" statements. I said earlier that this story had not been verified and what I meant by that it was not officially stated by law enforcement, for example in the PCA, in a press release or at a press conference. MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Can you post the portion of the PCA that describes BK throwing trash in the neighbor's bin?

Pg 18

On December 27, 2022, Pennsylvania Agents recovered the trash from the Kohberger family residence located in Albrightsville, PA. That evidence was sent to the Idaho State Lab for testing. On December 28,2022, the Idaho State Lab reported that a DNA profrle obtained ftom the trash and the DNA profile obtained from the sheath, identified a male as not being excluded as the bioiogical father of Suspect Profrle. At least 99.9998% of the male population would be expected to be excluded from the possibility of being the suspect's biological father.

I see you're asking specifically about the neighbors trash.

 

[layer]

The very last page.

This?
On December 27, 2022, Pennsylvania Agents recovered the trash from the Kohberger family residence located in Albrightsville, PA.

And you see that somehow matching up to this?
Federal investigators saw Idaho quadruple murder suspect Bryan Kohberger throw out garbage into neighbors' trash bins in the middle of the night as they surveilled him in Pennsylvania in the days leading up to his arrest, a law enforcement source told ABC News.

 

[Which_pancake]

Exactly...so why do people not believe it? LE and MSM should be believed.

My problem with MSM is illustrated in the timeline of facts from USA Today that was posted yesterday that included the statement "On the third floor, the suspect checks Goncalves' bedroom and wakes her dog." That was not included in the PCA or any other outline of facts from LE to my knowledge - it was the author's own speculation but was not identified as such. This is why I do not give as much weight to unnamed sources or even MSM articles as I do official releases of information from Law Enforcement. MOO

 

[Montecore1]

The very last page.

What it describes on the last page is "Pennsylvania Agents recovering trash from the BCK's parents residence to analyze for the DNA match to the sheath. Nothing about BCK throwing trash away anywhere.

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[Mad Hettie]

I'm bringing this forward from @TeaTime who posted a well thought out list (which is not in line with my thinking right now, so it interests me all the more) I attempted to attach a link, but it kept attaching something random. Sorry for the long post.

Circumstantial evidence:

He resides in Pullman, 10 miles from Moscow and is a PhD candidate in criminal psychology at WSU.

His telephone pinged in the area of the house 12 times starting on August 23 - all late night or early morning hours.

He tried unsuccessfully to connect with KG on IG on several occasions prior to 11/13.

He took a long route to Moscow from his home at about 2:45am on 11/13 (as captured by WSU cameras), turning off his cell phone minutes after leaving Pullman.

His car was captured on videos driving around Moscow in the wee hours of 11/13.

His car was captured on video driving around the house in the wee hours of 11/13, the last capture being at 4:04 am in the 500 block of Queen, the only side street off of King.

A witness in the house heard sounds, whimpers and voices "around 4 am".

A witness in the house described him as tall, athletic build with bushy eyebrows. Fits BK.

His DNA is on a knife sheath left beside one of the stabbing victims.

A surveillance camera on the house next to the scene picked up the sound of a "thud", voices and a dog barking at 4:17am

His car was captured on surveillance cameras speeding away at 4:20am.

His vehicle and cell phone depict the same way home as his trip to Moscow and the phone was turned on only after leaving Moscow.

His cell phone pinged in front of the house at 9:20-ish am on 11/13.

There is no defense but "someone else" who fits his description used: his phone and maybe car on those 12 drive-bys since August 23; his telephone to IG message KG; his car and phone on 11/13; his knife sheath; his car and phone on the 9:20-ish drive by of 1122 King Rd. on 11/13; and, none of this was known to him.

Such a defense is not reasonable and does not create reasonable doubt.

Moscow PD has the right man and he will be convicted. Surely, his attorney will advise him to accept a plea for his life rather than face the death penalty at trial.

Your list is very well put together and I've bookmarked it, so thank you.

I agree with you that there is a lot of circumstantial evidence here and the hope is that they can tie it to the murder, but there is only one piece in here that is something that ties identifies him and only him as the most likely killer and that is the DNA. My issue with the DNA is that the newest forensic science is calling it into cautious question.

I'm also curious about the messages he is said to have sent. Was that confirmed or was that still "an investigative source" via People magazine?

Framed By Your Own Cells: How DNA Evidence Imprisons The Innocent

Tiny amounts of touch-transferred DNA have placed people at locations they had never visited and implicated people for crimes they did not commit.

www.forbes.com

 

[layer]

Here's another fun example.

Indiana cops 'DELIBERATELY pulled over Idaho 'killer' Bryan Kohberger at FBI's request to get bodycam footage of hands to see if he had any injuries'

FBI denies directing Indiana police to pull over Bryan Kohberger

After this I'm walking away because I don't want to bicker about it...

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[jepop]

It was included in the PCA, I'm pretty sure they're not relying on unnamed sources, nor would a Judge approve.

JMO

No it was not included in the PCA!!

The collection of sample of BK's father's dna for dna matching with sample left at crime scene was described in the PCA. BK, dumping trash in neighbours bin etc was not included in the PCA.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23564673/122922-affidavit-exhibit-a-statement-of-brett-payne_redacted.pdf

 

[DizzyB]

I do wonder if LE did not want to mess with the neighbor’s trash, thinking that it could be problematic at trial. They would have to prove it was the K family trash, brought over to the neighbor, and so on. Maybe BK was just that careful with the trash that was actually put outside at his parents’ home, that it contained none of his DNA. So maybe they only could get the Dad’s DNA and go to familial DNA?

 

[girlhasnoname]

No it was not included in the PCA!!

The collection of sample of BK's father's dna for dna matching with sample left at crime scene was described in the PCA. BK, dumping trash in neighbours bin etc was not included in the PCA.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23564673/122922-affidavit-exhibit-a-statement-of-brett-payne_redacted.pdf

I addressed that in my response to the OP. Thanks

 

[jepop]

The very last page.

No, the very last page states, LE collected trash from the PA residence and collected a sample of BK's dad's dna, it was used to id BK's dna on the sheath. There is nothing there about BK. ditching trash.

ps://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23564673/122922-affidavit-exhibit-a-statement-of-brett-payne_redacted.pdf

 

[CeeMDubs]

Does anyone remember early reports stating the killer took an unnamed “memento” from the scene? I wonder if the pillow cuttings could be the item(s).

Search warrant unsealed in Idaho student murders suspect case | CNN

A Washington court unsealed search warrant documents used to retrieve evidence from the home and office of Bryan Kohberger, the 28-year-old accused of killing four University of Idaho students in November, according to documents made publicly available by Law & Crime Wednesday.

amp.cnn.com

 

[girlhasnoname]

Idaho Suspect Bryan Kohberger Visited Restaurant Where 2 Victims Worked 'At Least Twice' Before Killings​

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In the weeks before the slayings of four University of Idaho students last November, the man now accused of killing them allegedly ate at the restaurant where two of the victims worked.

According to a former employee at the Mad Greek restaurant in Moscow, Idaho, Bryan Kohberger came in at least twice to grab vegan pizza. Two of the victims — Madison Mogen and Xana Kernodle — were servers at the restaurant.

It's unclear if either woman ever waited on Kohberger, or if they even interacted, but PEOPLE confirms that a now-deleted account that appeared to belong to Kohberger once followed both Mogen and Kernodle on Instagram along with the third female murder victim, Kaylee Goncalves.

Idaho Suspect Bryan Kohberger Visited Restaurant Where 2 Victims Worked 'At Least Twice' Before Killings

 

[CityKid]

It's not that I am disbelieving it, I am just not giving full weight to unnamed "law enforcement source says" statements. I said earlier that this story had not been verified and what I meant by that it was not officially stated by law enforcement, for example in the PCA, in a press release or at a press conference. MOO

100% agree in cases like this. LE can put out an official statement if they choose to. Leaks don't look good or inspire confidence.

 

[GRT]

Why are people suddenly not believing BK threw trash in the neighbor's bin now? I'm confused. Idaho murders: Suspect threw out trash in neighbors' bins, source says

Not that I disbelieve it, but when I saw images of his parents' house via drone that were published on the local TV station, I had to wonder about the location of the neighbor's trash bin and whether Bryan walked all the way down the long drive in the middle of the night to throw something away.

It seems to me, and this is just all MOO, that any "evidence" BK had to dispose of would have been thrown away long ago. It's not like officers couldn't have gotten his DNA in a dozen other ways.

Here's a still shot from the drone footage from KXLY.