Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #6

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Live stream of the search with the specialist team on lancs live.
Im absolutely gob smacked they're live streaming this. It feels like it's turning into a bit of a TV show for the media now sadly.
 
I think that it is just plain wrong, I would not be happy if it were a relative of mine. It's like people who stand round recording when someone is being attacked or is dying in front of them instead of helping. This modern day smart phone age really annoys me and the impact it has had on society. And I am 28 years old, so not even an old codger.
I know what you mean. I am pretty sure that they'll cut the live footage if anything shows up. In fact, they HAVE cut the live footage at the moment, for whatever reason. I find it more offensive that a crowd of onlookers was shown there gawping, like it's a day out for them. I hate that kind of thing.
 
Hi new member here - this tragic case brought me to these forums.

I must admit to being confused by how little we know and what we do know is often contradictory, unclear and full of discrepancies.

Where was the phone found - it seems to have been on the bench but there was an early report that said it was on the ground by the tree.

How long was her coat? Police think "It's really important that the public pay heed to those very specific clothing descriptions..." and say it was ankle length when it's pretty clear from the ring footage it was knee length.

We don't know where Willow was found - local businesswoman (the 9:33 timing) says Willow was between the bench and the river. Police on 3rd Feb say "running between the gate to the field and the bench". Which gate? The one right behind the bench or another one? There looks to be a gate into a field near the Wyreside Caravan Park - is that the one they mean?

Where did this woman come from and where did she go afterwards? The fields are very small and if she was walking from the East along the towpath she would have had the bench in her line of sight for sometime before getting there. What did she see? Or was she walking in the opposite direction and came through the gate by the bench?

There was also mention of two people finding the phone and being unable to unlock the screensaver - when was this? Was this misreporting of the the lone businesswoman at 9:33? Or are these the "other people" the witness met up with who recognised Willow. Where was this meeting?

The 8:47am sighting of NB - where was she? Which way was she headed? Which way did the witness head after/during the sighting? Again, the field is quite small and NB would probably have been visible for a while until she went into the upper field.
Did NB head to towards the bench? I have in mind that after taking off Willow's harness, she sat here to send her email, text message her friend (why is this not on the timeline) and log into the Teams meeting before heading off again on her walk.

If she wasn't at the bench doing this, where did she do all that? Whilst walking?

The 9:10 sighting in the upper field - again the field is quite small, where was NB and which way was she walking? Which was was the witness walking? If out of the field towards the caravan park then no more sighting of NB would be possible but if walking into the field then NB would be visible for a little while before heading back to the bench.

Do we know if the police ever investigated the abandoned house? Is it even abandoned? The Mountain Rescue chap says they searched the grounds and the owner just happened to be there and had a quick look inside. Do we know if the police searched it as I'm sure I read somewhere the owner lives there and it's not abandoned - presume the police have ruled this out?

There is a small building, probably water board related, just up from the bench alongside the towpath in the lower field. I've not seen any mention of this anywhere - I presume it was searched?

Whilst it is most likely NB somehow ended up in the river (is it really 15ft deep by the bench? Seems unlikely given the width but I'd expect it to be more than a couple of feet due to the sharp bend) it is odd there is no evidence whatsoever of this.

I think the main issue for me is the lack of information about the witness sightings given the small size of the fields. We should have much more info from these about where NB was and what the witnesses were doing and heading. Looking at Google Earth I would think if you are in the lower field you could see the bench easily and if you were on the towpath heading towards the bench you would have a decent view of both the bench and the slope into the river, maybe even from before entering the lower field.

And, the towpath is raised slightly from the level of the fields so if NB was walking on this she'd have easily have been visible from most parts of either field and by anyone also on the towpath.
Good post … helps clear the mind.

The issues that you describe do lead me to think that things didn’t happen that morning quite as has been concluded.
 
Faulding says the search could take three days. Whilst I understand reservations about the livestream it's, in reality, only shown them getting the boat, and other equipment ready.
 
I think that it is just plain wrong, I would not be happy if it were a relative of mine. It's like people who stand round recording when someone is being attacked or is dying in front of them instead of helping. This modern day smart phone age really annoys me and the impact it has had on society. And I am 28 years old, so not even an old codger.
I understand and I agree that the point about people filming things these days and not helping is wrong, that shouldn't happen, but this is not the case here, as the people filming can't help in this scenario. But what it does do is provide immediate information that work is going on and when/if something has been found. If it was me I'd want to know anything as soon as possible and if others can see that too, so what. I'd want to know, if it was my family member, friend or other.
 
There is a possibility that Nicola ended up in the river. For sure… and as far as possible intensive searches are in progress to locate her if that is what happened. Every effort is being made which is great.
There remains a possibility that she encountered foul play. For me it’s the strongest possibility and I’m basing that on my extensive daily experience as a spaniel walker along a river. I’m also basing it on known actions events leading up to Friday am.
 
Hi new member here - this tragic case brought me to these forums.

I must admit to being confused by how little we know and what we do know is often contradictory, unclear and full of discrepancies.

Where was the phone found - it seems to have been on the bench but there was an early report that said it was on the ground by the tree.

How long was her coat? Police think "It's really important that the public pay heed to those very specific clothing descriptions..." and say it was ankle length when it's pretty clear from the ring footage it was knee length.

We don't know where Willow was found - local businesswoman (the 9:33 timing) says Willow was between the bench and the river. Police on 3rd Feb say "running between the gate to the field and the bench". Which gate? The one right behind the bench or another one? There looks to be a gate into a field near the Wyreside Caravan Park - is that the one they mean?

Where did this woman come from and where did she go afterwards? The fields are very small and if she was walking from the East along the towpath she would have had the bench in her line of sight for sometime before getting there. What did she see? Or was she walking in the opposite direction and came through the gate by the bench?

There was also mention of two people finding the phone and being unable to unlock the screensaver - when was this? Was this misreporting of the the lone businesswoman at 9:33? Or are these the "other people" the witness met up with who recognised Willow. Where was this meeting?

The 8:47am sighting of NB - where was she? Which way was she headed? Which way did the witness head after/during the sighting? Again, the field is quite small and NB would probably have been visible for a while until she went into the upper field.
Did NB head to towards the bench? I have in mind that after taking off Willow's harness, she sat here to send her email, text message her friend (why is this not on the timeline) and log into the Teams meeting before heading off again on her walk.

If she wasn't at the bench doing this, where did she do all that? Whilst walking?

The 9:10 sighting in the upper field - again the field is quite small, where was NB and which way was she walking? Which was was the witness walking? If out of the field towards the caravan park then no more sighting of NB would be possible but if walking into the field then NB would be visible for a little while before heading back to the bench.

Do we know if the police ever investigated the abandoned house? Is it even abandoned? The Mountain Rescue chap says they searched the grounds and the owner just happened to be there and had a quick look inside. Do we know if the police searched it as I'm sure I read somewhere the owner lives there and it's not abandoned - presume the police have ruled this out?

There is a small building, probably water board related, just up from the bench alongside the towpath in the lower field. I've not seen any mention of this anywhere - I presume it was searched?

Whilst it is most likely NB somehow ended up in the river (is it really 15ft deep by the bench? Seems unlikely given the width but I'd expect it to be more than a couple of feet due to the sharp bend) it is odd there is no evidence whatsoever of this.

I think the main issue for me is the lack of information about the witness sightings given the small size of the fields. We should have much more info from these about where NB was and what the witnesses were doing and heading. Looking at Google Earth I would think if you are in the lower field you could see the bench easily and if you were on the towpath heading towards the bench you would have a decent view of both the bench and the slope into the river, maybe even from before entering the lower field.

And, the towpath is raised slightly from the level of the fields so if NB was walking on this she'd have easily have been visible from most parts of either field and by anyone also on the towpath.
Welcome!

Good first post. A lot of similar thoughts to other members.

There are certainly more questions than answers at this point.
 
This has since changed. Please revert to FB post. It is rowanwater CCTV camera that is not working.
is there any other source for the rowanwater CCTV not working ? I always thought it was at the Wyreside Farm caravan site this will change things as it was the last point at which we think NB was seen by a witness.
 
If I was answering a call of nature in that environment, I wouldn't go to the hassle of scrambling down some banking to or near the waters edge. I would also feel more open to view. I would head for the nearest cover. From memory there seems to be plenty of foliage around.
Yeahhh I agree. Going down the bank by the river wouldn't really get much privacy if that's what you were going for. I'm under 30 and I still definitely get needing the bathroom a whole lot, but I would NEVER do that in public, no matter how bad I'd just hold it in if there were no toilets around. Not to say some people don't, I just find it hard to imagine personally.
 
I understand and I agree that the point about people filming things these days and not helping is wrong, that shouldn't happen, but this is not the case here, as the people filming can't help in this scenario. But what it does do is provide immediate information that work is going on and when/if something has been found. If it was me I'd want to know anything as soon as possible and if others can see that too, so what. I'd want to know, if it was my family member, friend or other.
I would want answers to questions too if my relative was missing, and I wouldn't want the police to just forget and neglect the case, so would be grateful of media coverage in that instance.

I just feel like the line is crossed when media/news are able to livestream a search for a missing person in a river, that can be potentially viewed by hundreds, thousands, even tens and hundreds of thousands of people. The live stream of a search for a body/evidence in a river brings no benefit or help to the investigation whatsoever. It's purely for clicks and analytics. It's not beneficial, unlike a witness appeal, press conference or reconstruction.

IMO whoever greenlighted that live stream should be sacked, completely insensitive and out of touch with decency.
 
I would want answers to questions too if my relative was missing, and I wouldn't want the police to just forget and neglect the case, so would be grateful of media coverage in that instance.

I just feel like the line is crossed when media/news are able to livestream a search for a missing person in a river, that can be potentially viewed by hundreds, thousands, even tens and hundreds of thousands of people. The live stream of a search for a body/evidence in a river brings no benefit or help to the investigation whatsoever. It's purely for clicks and analytics. It's not beneficial, unlike a witness appeal, press conference or reconstruction.

IMO whoever greenlighted that live stream should be sacked, completely insensitive and out of touch with decency.
They do seem to have stopped it now, for whatever reason.
 
is there any other source for the rowanwater CCTV not working ? I always thought it was at the Wyreside Farm caravan site this will change things as it was the last point at which we think NB was seen by a witness.

I’m hoping MSM catch on soon and reiterate TAs FB update but no only on FB at the moment sadly.
 
Whilst it is most likely NB somehow ended up in the river (is it really 15ft deep by the bench? Seems unlikely given the width but I'd expect it to be more than a couple of feet due to the sharp bend) it is odd there is no evidence whatsoever of this

I mentioned this earlier as on the Angling map for the area it calls this point 'deep hole' . I would imagine this means it is deeper at the point directly below the bench
 

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I was hoping they might enter nearer to the weir as I doubt whether the police diving team have been able to search that far.
The police specialist divers said on the first day they did 1 mile upstream and 3 miles downstream. Going by that they'd have already gone well past the weir. There was no mention which equipment was used for this search though.
 
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