Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #17

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Pretty much every news report identified them as dog walkers actually :|

No, not every new report at all!
The Daily Mail reports just "walkers", as do some others.
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No, not every new report at all!
The Daily Mail reports just "walkers", as do some others.
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I don't think anyone is denying they were walkers. The debate is over whether they had a dog with them or not. Some reports mention the dog, others don't.
The detail could be relevant, as it may be the dog that first alerted to the presence of a body in the reeds.
 
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Been lurking on here and following this case and personally think the criticism of the police has been over the top especially when you consider everyone isn't privy to all the details of the case. If sadly this body does turn out to be Nicola than in my opinion it further points towards the police having other strong evidence and indication pointing towards mental health problems leading to her death hence the heavy focus on the river from the start. Got to remember the police will have drawn up a full profile of her based on work life, relationships, financial details, health records, internet history, etc. I feel it was a shame they had to release details of her struggles but that sort of gave an hint towards what looks the likely outcome. Just my opinion but it seems logical that the welfare check on the 10th January probably along with other details pointed towards a potential suicide.
Yes, I believe this was a suicide rather than an accident given the fairly close proximity in the timeline of events. To me it seems quite unlikely, given what we have been made aware of relating to the struggles she had endured, that this has simply been an accident.
 
Yes, I believe this was a suicide rather than an accident given the fairly close proximity in the timeline of events. To me it seems quite unlikely, given what we have been made aware of relating to the struggles she had endured, that this has simply been an accident.
The location looked to me to be a place where anyone might easily slip into the river. A person going through what NB was going through recently would have the same high risk of such an accident as anyone else who 'disappeared' at that spot.

I think there's also an outside chance of a medical event occurring while she was standing about a foot or so from the edge. A heart attack, aneurysm, brain haemmorrage type event could lead to falling forwards and into the river, unable to cry out, unable to fight the water or pull of the water current. I think that's lower probability than accident, but for me it's still higher probability than suicide or foul play.
 
May have been texting to offer heart-felt sympathy. At least that's what I hope. But, you're right in that even if he had good intentions, when PA volunteered how he was doing, he should have offered empathy--which he might have done--rather than or in addition to him asking if he could report PA's feelings. Seems to cross a line...

Content matters and I find this trashing of Sky News reporter Inzaman R rich -- especially coming for a forum with 17 threads and counting, also dependent on linked news from WS-approved MSM sources including Sky News.

To be clear, Inzaman has been in contact with the family for 3 weeks, and I can attest from personal experience that no family bothers to keep contact, share, and/or reply to a member of MSN during a difficult time if they've not already developed trust and mutual respect for each other.

Inzaman is not a florist, he's a journalist doing his job which includes providing credible news for this very forum that's allowed posted here.

Seriously, we don't know if the communication between Inzaman and PA was 2 minutes or 2 hours but there is nothing sensational or tabloid with the 2 short sentences he shared today. I disagree there was anything shared that PA did not approve.

I'd much rather read it from Inzaman and Sky News than the "we pay for clickbait," citing unnamed sources," from the likes of DM and the Sun that fill too many pages here. MOO

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In a message sent to Sky News correspondent Inzamam Rashid, who has been in contact with the family throughout the three-week search, Mr Ansell said: "No words right now, just agony."

"We're all together, we have to be strong",
he added.

The body was found around a mile from where Ms Bulley was last seen walking her dog, beside the River Wyre, in St Michael's on Wyre, after she dropped her daughters at school on 27 January.

It is understood that a man and a woman walking their dog near to the river called the police to report seeing a person in the water, with officers then launching a search.


 
Peter Faulding has spoken.

An update from Peter Faulding:
The SGI underwater search team was tasked with searching the river upsteam of weir in the non tidal part of the river, past the bench where Nicola’s phone was found and a mile upstream past this point. For three days, using high frequency side scan sonar, we thoroughly search the riverbed and can categorically confirm that Nicola was not laying on the riverbed on the days that we searched. We did search the stretch of river where Nicola was found for four hours on our first day and then upstream past the weir on the subsequent two days. The police underwater search teams and land search teams were searching for three full weeks and were also unable to find Nicola. Unfortunately it was a member of the public that made the grim discovery.

Sadly, the discovery was not found in the river but in the reeds at the side of the river which was not part of our remit as the side scan sonar does not penetrate reeds above or below the water. A riverbank and wade search would be the only way to search this area and we were not involved or tasked with that search. The difference between these two search areas has caused a lot of confusion and unfair criticism towards myself and my team at Specialist Group International (SGI).

My previous comments saying that if Nicola was in the river, I would find her, still stand. My team and I at SGI did all we could to assist this family with only our best intentions. I am sure I can say this of everyone who has been involved in this difficult search.

SGI is the recognised underwater search team for Essex, Surrey, Sussex, Kent, Hampshire and Thames Valley police who we have worked closely alongside for many years. Unfortunately there are few police underwater search teams left. Each year we locate and recover many unfortunate victims and bring them back to their families. Sadly, for circumstances out of our control, and as hard as we try, sometimes we are unable to locate the missing person. Nicola Bulley

 
They said she was located very close to a downed tree—implying she may have been trapped in the branches. The large wave the day before is believed to have dislodged the body. FWIW
Yes, part of the downed tree was reported submerged under water and it's very possible the body/heavy clothing (if NB) could have been caught up and not jostled until recently with the rise in tide. MOO
 
Going back to the harness in between the bench and the river - if this was an accident, perhaps when NB fell in, Willow went and got the harness and took it to the river, waiting for NB to get back out and put it on her. As in Willow was saying to her mum ‘here you go, put this back on me and we can go home’. Without realising the seriousness of the situation. JMO.
 
Good morning. I've found the post by @doghandler I was thinking about yesterday which helps explain my thinking.


IMO, the reason none of the original scene made sense is because she didn't enter the water where the dog, lead and the phone was left. She entered further down the river nearer where the body was found and it was pure chance that this was a CCTV blackspot and she wasn't seen on a dashcam or by a pedestrian. Between the weir and the footbridge is another option. JMO.

I hope her family can get some closure now. I've been thinking of her two girls a lot. :confused:
 
Peter Faulding has spoken.

An update from Peter Faulding:
The SGI underwater search team was tasked with searching the river upsteam of weir in the non tidal part of the river, past the bench where Nicola’s phone was found and a mile upstream past this point. For three days, using high frequency side scan sonar, we thoroughly search the riverbed and can categorically confirm that Nicola was not laying on the riverbed on the days that we searched. We did search the stretch of river where Nicola was found for four hours on our first day and then upstream past the weir on the subsequent two days. The police underwater search teams and land search teams were searching for three full weeks and were also unable to find Nicola. Unfortunately it was a member of the public that made the grim discovery.

Sadly, the discovery was not found in the river but in the reeds at the side of the river which was not part of our remit as the side scan sonar does not penetrate reeds above or below the water. A riverbank and wade search would be the only way to search this area and we were not involved or tasked with that search. The difference between these two search areas has caused a lot of confusion and unfair criticism towards myself and my team at Specialist Group International (SGI).

My previous comments saying that if Nicola was in the river, I would find her, still stand. My team and I at SGI did all we could to assist this family with only our best intentions. I am sure I can say this of everyone who has been involved in this difficult search.

SGI is the recognised underwater search team for Essex, Surrey, Sussex, Kent, Hampshire and Thames Valley police who we have worked closely alongside for many years. Unfortunately there are few police underwater search teams left. Each year we locate and recover many unfortunate victims and bring them back to their families. Sadly, for circumstances out of our control, and as hard as we try, sometimes we are unable to locate the missing person. Nicola Bulley

I’m not an expert so I’ll take what PF has said here at face value. However, I think he implied previously that there was a third party involved rather than the more likely scenario that NB was lodged at the side of the river MOO, which was misleading and discredited police activity.
 
Not all walkers have dogs. Some people just walk for the sheer pleasure of it.
A nice river walk on a Sunday morning. News reports said "walkers" it didn't specify "dog walkers".

A man and a woman walking their dog discovered the body and called police,
 
I don't think anyone is denying they were walkers. The debate is over whether they had a dog with them or not. Some reports mention the dog, others don't.
The detail could be relevant, as it may be the dog that first alerted to the presence of a body in the reeds.
I've seen one photo of the people on their phones and reports of walkers and dog walkers but tbh I don't think it's relevant either way

Nicola was found and the family now know where she is, that's the important thing IMO
 
Peter Faulding has spoken.

An update from Peter Faulding:
The SGI underwater search team was tasked with searching the river upsteam of weir in the non tidal part of the river, past the bench where Nicola’s phone was found and a mile upstream past this point. For three days, using high frequency side scan sonar, we thoroughly search the riverbed and can categorically confirm that Nicola was not laying on the riverbed on the days that we searched. We did search the stretch of river where Nicola was found for four hours on our first day and then upstream past the weir on the subsequent two days. The police underwater search teams and land search teams were searching for three full weeks and were also unable to find Nicola. Unfortunately it was a member of the public that made the grim discovery.

Sadly, the discovery was not found in the river but in the reeds at the side of the river which was not part of our remit as the side scan sonar does not penetrate reeds above or below the water. A riverbank and wade search would be the only way to search this area and we were not involved or tasked with that search. The difference between these two search areas has caused a lot of confusion and unfair criticism towards myself and my team at Specialist Group International (SGI).

My previous comments saying that if Nicola was in the river, I would find her, still stand. My team and I at SGI did all we could to assist this family with only our best intentions. I am sure I can say this of everyone who has been involved in this difficult search.

SGI is the recognised underwater search team for Essex, Surrey, Sussex, Kent, Hampshire and Thames Valley police who we have worked closely alongside for many years. Unfortunately there are few police underwater search teams left. Each year we locate and recover many unfortunate victims and bring them back to their families. Sadly, for circumstances out of our control, and as hard as we try, sometimes we are unable to locate the missing person. Nicola Bulley


If only he had given a more measured statement like this in the first place, instead of engaging in speculation

Sadly, for circumstances out of our control, and as hard as we try, sometimes we are unable to locate the missing person. Nicola Bulley
 
They said she was located very close to a downed tree—implying she may have been trapped in the branches. The large wave the day before is believed to have dislodged the body. FWIW
The Mail said that
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LP haven't said that though so am not sure how the Mail's reporter would be able to describe the final 'resting' place so definitively.

mail also said ' found in the reeds' as did Faulding ( and latter was not there either, he was back in Southern England)

Mail seemed to be implying that she'd been ' in the reeds' or in that stretch for the whole 3 weeks - which sounds unlikely to me. What do you think?
 
The Mail said

LP haven't said that though so am not sure how the Mail's reporter would be able to describe the final 'resting' place so definitively
mail also said ' in the reeds' as did Faulding ( and latter was not there either, was back in Southern England)
Would the press not have spoken to the walkers who found the body?

There is a lot more information out there that the police haven't confirmed, it doesn't mean it isn't correct

JMO
 
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