GUILTY SC - Paul Murdaugh & mom Margaret Found Shot To Death - Alex Murdaugh Accused - Islandton #40

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April 2022 is when investigators finally unlocked Paul's phone. That's 10 months prior to the speedy trial requested by Alex, and 10 months after the murders.

The Judge said that Alex attended a hearing in November where he continued to deny that he was at the kennels at the time of the murders. That would be 4 months prior to trial.

Wasn't there also a complaint from the defence that they didn't have full disclosure in a timely manner at the beginning of the trial? Perhaps that relates to Paul's video minutes before he was murdered?

AM was indicted and charged with two counts of murder in July 2022:

July 14, 2022: Mr. Murdaugh was indicted on two counts of murder. Prosecutors said he fatally shot his wife with a rifle and his son with a shotgun.

July 20, 2022: Mr. Murdaugh pleaded not guilty at a bond hearing, and his lawyers said he wanted to go to trial as soon as possible.


I believe that AM and his defense learned about the video extracted from PM's phone not later than Nov 2022 since this was the time investigators showed the video to RG.


In November 2022, there was a breakthrough in the investigation. Agents showed Gibson a video of his dog Cash that they had found on Paul's phone. Paul had shot it at 8:44 p.m., minutes before he was killed.


ETA: Do we know when SC will publicly release the state's court documents? It would be helpful to see discovery one day.
 
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I'd think for these murder charges it would be a SC prison? If in the future he's convicted on bank or IRS fraud, I don't know, could he possibly get switched to a federal prison?

AM received two life sentences in State court on 3/3/23. He will never be housed in federal BOP. He will die in the custody of SC DOC. As of today, AM has never been indicted by a federal grand jury.
 
I think that that once AM's attorneys got info from the State through discovery about people (including Rogan) identifying AM's voice in the video, AM decided to change his story and admit he was there. JMO.
 
I don't know otto. I was confused about when AM actually found out. I thought it was the 3rd interview but Seattle corrected me that was when AM found out about Rogen hearing AM while he was talking to PM on the phone. Maybe the first time AM heard it was when the prosecution turned it over in discovery? It took almost a year to get PM's phone unlocked so some time the end of Spring/beginning of Summer 2022? That's my best guess.
Murder was June 2021. Paul's phone was unlocked April 2022. Speedy trial was Feb 2023. During sentencing, the Judge mentioned November as the last time that Alex gave a false alibi. Was there a Nov 2022 hearing for Alex to provide alibi on record before prosecution produced Paul's kennel video?

Right after the murders, Rogan told Maggie's family and investigators that on the night of the murders he heard Alex in the background on the phone. Alex denied it. Rogan told investigators that he asked Paul to make a video. It took time. Little Detective solved his own murder.
 
Is it possible that Buster didn't know about Paul's kennel video until November?

I would say it’s highly possible because I think AM was keeping secrets while he was concocting scenarios in his head. He was hoping to find a way out so that he wouldn’t have to tell anyone about the video.
 
Murder was June 2021. Paul's phone was unlocked April 2022. Speedy trial was Feb 2023. During sentencing, the Judge mentioned November as the last time that Alex gave a false alibi. Was there a Nov 2022 hearing for Alex to provide alibi on record before prosecution produced Paul's kennel video?

Right after the murders, Rogan told Maggie's family and investigators that on the night of the murders he heard Alex in the background on the phone. Alex denied it. Rogan told investigators that he asked Paul to make a video. It took time. Little Detective solved his own murder.
I didn't realize Rogan could hear Alex over the phone.
Wow!
 
I'm not really following what's being discussed re when Alex changed his story, but maybe this will be helpful:

October 19, 2022: filing in which the state says this about the time of the murders: "However, if the defense needs further help for a start time, there is evidence of which the defense is well aware showing Defendant’s presence along with the victims at the crime scene at 8:44 p.m." https://www.scag.gov/media/ry5egeiz...el-strike-alibi-2022-10-19-03132098xd2c78.pdf

November 17, 2022: Alex files a notice of alibi admitting to being at Moselle from some time before 8:30pm to a few minutes after 9pm. https://www.fitsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/securepdfs/2022/11/Notice-of-Alibi.pdf
 
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When exactly did AM learn of the video?

From the link below, unless the video was associated with an app and the warrant was not yet returned, seems it had to be around Oct 2022.


Published: Oct. 20, 2022 at 6:21 AM PDT|Updated: Oct. 20, 2022 at 1:22 PM PDT

CHARLESTON, S.C. (WCSC) - A state circuit court judge mostly sided with the South Carolina Attorney General’s Office Thursday, denying motions filed by the defense team of former Lowcountry attorney Alex Murdaugh.

Murdaugh is charged with two counts of murder in the deaths of his wife, Maggie, and their youngest son, Paul, who were shot to death at the family’s hunting property in rural Colleton County more than a year ago.

The defense issued three motions focusing on evidence prosecutors have failed to provide specific pieces of discovery, a legal term referring here to evidence they plan to use against Murdaugh, as the law requires. Attorney General Alan Wilson’s office released a response Wednesday arguing the motions were “without merit” and that the state has already “provided discovery far in excess of what is technically required.”

“Due to the complexity of this case, it is essential that the defendant be given adequate discovery rights to ensure that he is fully prepared to extend the charges against him,” Judge Clifton Newman said.

Murdaugh’s attorneys hoped to convince Newman to force the state to hand over more than a dozen pieces of evidence, but Newman denied the motion to compel the state to do so, saying the state is making a good faith effort in doing just that.

“The parties have been in touch with each other and I do not find any lack of diligence on the part of the state in complying with discovery,” he said.

Among the items on the defense’s list were notes from the Murdaugh autopsies and cell phone data, which Murdaugh’s attorneys call a “major part” of the state’s case but argue that the state is being difficult in turning over the data they plan to use by providing too much data; the defense argued when they received two data dumps Wednesday that totaled a half-terabyte, the files consisted of folders within folders within folders.

“Cellphone data or data from cellphone locations that would be – I think they put in a motion earlier – compelling proof of his guilt, that motion you heard a month ago. Where is it?” Murdaugh attorney Dick Harpootlian said. “We have experts that we have hired that are waiting for that data to vet it.”

“They have all the cellphone data and to some extent, they are claiming that they have all the underlying data but they don’t want to analyze it themselves,” lead prosecutor Creighton Waters said. “Mr. Harpoolian says, ‘Well, we don’t think it says what the state thinks it says.’ Well, that’s what a trial is for.”

[...]

Murdaugh’s lawyers said they are 90 days away from the trial and they need all evidence as soon as possible.

But Newman denied a defense request for subpoena powers. Defense attorney Dick Harpootlian said he might seek another hearing next week if the defense had still not received evidence.

“The court will not issue a blanket order. It would be unprecedented as far as this court is aware of,” Newman said. “The court will address any requests for discovery subpoena in a case-by-case, incident-by-incident basis.”
 
I didn't realize Rogan could hear Alex over the phone.
Wow!
I don't have the link anymore. I hope I remember correctly that Rogan told Maggie's family that he believed Alex was at the kennels on the night of the murders at the time of the murders. Because Alex denied it, Maggie's family didn't believe Rogan until after Sept 4 (flat tire day?). After Alex faked his murder attempt (to reinforce his boat crash vigilante story), only then did Maggie's family suspect Alex, and it was after April 2022 that investigators had proof.
 
I just started reading a book, "The Psychopath" by Mary Thompson, who lived with her psychpath spouse for years, she "scores" her ex spouse on the "Hare Psychopath" test, and gives direct examples of things her husband did to her, and others that fit the "Psychopath" profile.

Reading this book makes me sad for anyone who was unfortunate enough to be around AM. Especially his wife, Maggie and his son, Paul. I am sure that their lives had similar situtions to Mary Thompson. I recommend reading this book, it illustrates what it is like being married to a psychopath.
 
COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) — Once prominent and soon-to-be disbarred South Carolina lawyer Alex Murdaughhas been indicted again, this time prosecutors saying his crimes extended to an eight-year money laundering and painkiller ring with a friend and former client charged with trying to help him commit suicide.

Murdaugh wrote 437 checks worth $2.4 million that Curtis “Eddie” Smith cashed over eight years, keeping some of the money for himself and giving the rest for wide-ranging illegal activities, according to indictments handed up last week and unsealed Tuesday.

That illegal activity included a “distribution network” for the painkiller oxycodone, according to prosecutors, who did not specify any of the other possible crimes. Both men were charged with possessing, manufacturing or distributing narcotics, but court records did not provide additional details.


[…] 2.4 million over 8 years. Where's the rest of the money? IMO, a revenge killing over the boat wreck and a revenge killing over bad drug deals and money not being distributed to buy silence are both motives the defense could have used. AM is still guilty, I get that..he may have NOT pulled the trigger in my scenario. He left guns for the drug runners to use. He had no blood on him. He was part of this but possibly not the shooter? Murder for hire like he hired Cousin Eddie to kill him? "I never HURT Mags, I never HURT Paw Paw". In his world, he didnt do the actual killing.

Murder was June 2021. Paul's phone was unlocked April 2022. Speedy trial was Feb 2023. During sentencing, the Judge mentioned November as the last time that Alex gave a false alibi. Was there a Nov 2022 hearing for Alex to provide alibi on record before prosecution produced Paul's kennel video?

Right after the murders, Rogan told Maggie's family and investigators that on the night of the murders he heard Alex in the background on the phone. Alex denied it. Rogan told investigators that he asked Paul to make a video. It took time. Little Detective solved his own murder.
Amazing how many things had to fail, and did, at just the right time. After the conversation, PM and RG tried to Face Time about Cash, but thankfully due to the spotty connection at the kennels, it failed. If they had face timed, there would have been no need for a video when AM pulled up. AM most likely would have heard a Face Time call assuming he heard them as he pulled up, and would have been cautious about saying anything at all until the call was finished. The Snap Chat itself never went through. If it had, AM would have discovered it sooner from RG, and would have had time to retract his lie more quickly and admit to it sooner, which could have been more believable. So thanks to spotty connections and of course Bubba, and the chicken who gave its life so that AM will live the rest of his in the DOC!
 
This is a circumstantial case, and as another poster indicated, relies on a number of unrelated and non sequential pieces to make up the mosaic; and an observer may not see the picture within the mosaic until all the pieces are in place and then they back up and take a look at the resulting assemblage as a whole: and the picture becomes clear....

I suggest that in the framework of a trial for murder, there are at least (4) categories of related information:
1) That which is presented at trial and becomes part of the public record...thus public information
2) That which is recorded on investigative reports, laboratory reports, warrant reports, probable cause affadavits and even on the discovery submissions that never gets introduced at trial, but are still public information
3) Witness interview reports where the witness never appears at trial and is not included in the witness list for either side, nominally not available to the public
4) Absent Information, as per a topic or element of the crime that we would normally expect to be made available but is never provided...

I submit that this trial demonstrated: You can have a whole lot of Cat 1 and the picture will still be clear in spite of a plethora of Cat 4. As a start, some of Cat 4 from this trial:
 
1) The murder weapons were never found
2) No DNA was used to establish any pertinent identities: In fact MM had skin and hair on one of her hands and to my recall, we do not know now who it belonged to....
3) There was no fingerprint evidence used at trial, though some may recall that a fingerprint specialist was named as a discovery witness
4) Despite the outdoor scene, no footprints of anyone save the victims was introduced at trial.


So WSleuthers a little constructive challenge: What else belongs on the list? And can we maintain a numbered list?
 
Why were the murder weapons not found? I'm sure this was discussed, but I'm just coming around to this.
Presumably, AM took them away from the kennels and secreted them sometime during the travels to and from Mom's house. But, how could have he been so effective in hiding them? Did a conspirator take them away from the scene? I presume LE extended every effort. Somebody please help me! I'm sure excellent WS thought has been applied.
 
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