4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 75

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iamshadow21 said:
I fixed the mention of the job location in my post.

I don't recall it seeming strange to me, I think because there were discussions on here about her having finished up, somehow, and not having classes she needed to attend. She was graduating in December.

I don't know where in the threads the discussions fell, or whether there were better links than the one I found for why she was going back and forth between home and the house in Moscow. I think some people were talking about her having earned all her credits, but I don't know if they were based on hard facts or speculation. I'm sorry. It took me about an hour to assemble all the links above, from the media thread. I think to find anything else, I'd have to trawl through the threads themselves or settle in and watch dozens of news clips, and, to be frank, my Ritalin ran out hours ago, and it is not a hill I want to die on. Tl;dr, It didn't seem strange to me, but I can't recall exactly why and I don't have any links to support my impression other than the ones I already linked to.
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Maybe she just wanted to spend time with her family before she moved halfway across the country
 
iamshadow21 said:
I fixed the mention of the job location in my post.

I don't recall it seeming strange to me, I think because there were discussions on here about her having finished up, somehow, and not having classes she needed to attend. She was graduating in December.

I don't know where in the threads the discussions fell, or whether there were better links than the one I found for why she was going back and forth between home and the house in Moscow. I think some people were talking about her having earned all her credits, but I don't know if they were based on hard facts or speculation. I'm sorry. It took me about an hour to assemble all the links above, from the media thread. I think to find anything else, I'd have to trawl through the threads themselves or settle in and watch dozens of news clips, and, to be frank, my Ritalin ran out hours ago, and it is not a hill I want to die on. Tl;dr, It didn't seem strange to me, but I can't recall exactly why and I don't have any links to support my impression other than the ones I already linked to.

MOO
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Maybe she just wanted to spend time with her family before she moved halfway across the country
 
iamshadow21 said:
I fixed the mention of the job location in my post.

I don't recall it seeming strange to me, I think because there were discussions on here about her having finished up, somehow, and not having classes she needed to attend. She was graduating in December.

I don't know where in the threads the discussions fell, or whether there were better links than the one I found for why she was going back and forth between home and the house in Moscow. I think some people were talking about her having earned all her credits, but I don't know if they were based on hard facts or speculation. I'm sorry. It took me about an hour to assemble all the links above, from the media thread. I think to find anything else, I'd have to trawl through the threads themselves or settle in and watch dozens of news clips, and, to be frank, my Ritalin ran out hours ago, and it is not a hill I want to die on. Tl;dr, It didn't seem strange to me, but I can't recall exactly why and I don't any links to support my impression other than the ones I already linked to.

MOO
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LOL I don't expect you to find links. No need to go back through everything. I'm just giving my opinion and not holding you to anything. I fully believe you that there were different theories around and different things published. I could have missed it, but I didn't see anything definitively say that she was done with classes, just that she had done her in-person work. That's fine, but I still feel like it's unusual to leave mid-semster (the rent was paid for anyway, presumably) to live at home until graduation a few weeks later. This would make more sense if UI was on a quarter schedule.

All of this is JMO and I could be wrong.
 
BeginnerSleuther said:
LOL I don't expect you to find links. No need to go back through everything. I'm just giving my opinion and not holding you to anything. I fully believe you that there were different theories around and different things published. I could have missed it, but I didn't see anything definitively say that she was done with classes, just that she had done her in-person work. That's fine, but I still feel like it's unusual to leave mid-semster (the rent was paid for anyway, presumably) to live at home until graduation a few weeks later. This would make more sense if UI was on a quarter schedule.

All of this is JMO and I could be wrong.
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I will own to having no idea about how universities work, never having attended one, so, what do I know. You, having at least one actual degree, probably know better than me whether it's weird or not that she wrapped up early.

MOO
 
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gliving said:
An IMEI# is like a VIN for phones. Every phone has one and it's a unique indentifier. There are individual warrants for each of the victim's phones. Xana, Ethan and Maddie's warrants each have the IMEI # listed but Kaylee's warrant doesn't mention the IMEI#. It only has the last four digits of her phone number. Could it be that Kaylee's phone wasn't found so LE didn't know her IMEI?

Xana see page 11.
Maddie see page 11
Ethan see page 11
Kaylee see page 11

What is IMEI Number? - IMEI.info

The IMEI is a unique 15 digit number to identify mobile devices. Here you can get more information about this identifier codes. You can read what are the parts of the IMEI, how to get access to this number on the phone and what details info you can get by using the IMEI.
www.imei.info www.imei.info
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I was just reading an article on IMEI-I was trying to find out if BK could have tracked any of the victims phones without having to download an app onto their phones and in my search found out about IMEI. I never knew about this IMEI, but there are cell phone tracking websites where you can use a persons IMEI to track their phone. I was trying to do a bit of “sleuthing” but I failed! I looked into one of the companies that had a warrant served, “Extreme Networks” to possibly see if BK could have used this business in any way to track any of the victims. The technology is way over my head!
 
iamshadow21 said:
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I will own to having no idea about how universities work, never having attended one, so, what do I know. You, having at least one actual degree, probably know better than me whether it's weird or not that she wrapped up early.

MOO
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That's ok. I graduated prior to COVID which did change everything. I know that back in my studies, this would have been very unusual. Nowadays, people do study online. I only find it unusual because we know that Kaylee was there at least part of the semester (usually semesters run August - December) because of the police call to the house where she answered the door on August 16th and the alleged incident at the vape shop in October.

nypost.com

Video shows Kaylee Goncalves speaking with cops 3 months before Idaho murders

Slain University of Idaho student Kaylee Goncalves is seen in newly released police video speaking to cops after neighbors complained about noise — three months before her and her roommates&#…
nypost.com nypost.com

www.newsweek.com

Kaylee Goncalves warned about stalker three weeks before her murder

A shopkeeper who knew Kaylee Goncalves, one of four Idaho University students murdered on November 23, claimed she had "tons of issues" with a stalker.
www.newsweek.com www.newsweek.com

So why she went home is a mystery to me. It could be to spend time with family. Or maybe she was spooked. I, personally, believe that some people have strong intuition. Maybe she knew there was danger. Maybe her complaining of a stalker was because she sensed BK. Or maybe there's something more. Who knows.

MOO.
 
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al66pine said:
Personal Safety at Home? For Us & Anyone.

snipped for focus. @Sister Golden Hair Thanks for the link about recent Houston, TX area event. Scary stuff.

"Woman pretends to be DoorDash delivery driver while suspects try to break into back of Spring house"....1:20 a.m., a woman... knocked on the front door of the home and announced herself as a DoorDash delivery driver....she lingered in the front of the house until about 2 a.m...." sbm

Well, a food delivery driver who knocking at door for a min. would seem unusually patient, even if the resident had ordered a post midnight snack. But driver standing at door any longer??? Hardly seems legit.

Plus
"In the meantime "four male... suspects got into the backyard... and tried to break in... not able to get inside..." but damaged home's exterior. sbm

^^^ This is the kicker. Whenever a stranger is at front door, the possibility of an ACCOMPLICE at the BACKDOOR/SIDEDOOR always crosses my mind. And doesn't really matter if it's accomplice singular or plural, or if they try to enter quietly or bash/kick/breacher bar their way in. Either way leaves the resident(s) in the middle of intruders w ill-intent in mind.

I've read about this waaay too often. Take care, fellow Sleuthers.

Oh, look, a KA-BAR product.
KA-BAR 2484SF Ussf Bridge Breacher Tool Blue Plastisol Handle, Gray Tool
A total coincidence from my Amazon search for breacher bar image.

ETA: NOT suggesting or implying BK had a tool like this to enter 1122 King.
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imo jmo pretty sure based on the warrants that DD was his way in. some googles will show how many Dashers had account issues, and it's one of only a few explanations that makes sense of the DD warrants. But once he got in, how did he make use of his time? I've always suspected he was tracking/monitoring them somehow. JMO IMO.

and yes, @al66pine the world is a crazy place - we all need to be careful out there.
 
al66pine said:
Uni. Students w Several Bank A/Cs? Remember Those Free Toasters Ads?

snipped by me. @BeginnerSleuther Yes, weird.
Good question and undoubtedly several things factoring in to each having multiple a/c's, and overlapping w same banks as the others. The amt of money in the a/c's or student/family's net worth is likely irrelevant imo.

I have not followed detail on the ^ banks or a/c's, but suspect some may have been opened w INCENTIVES like these:
"Enjoy 20% off your purchase of $*advertiser censored* or more, when you open a __ a/c."
"You'll save $25 on your monthly cell phone plan for opening a ____ a/c."

Think: college student (esp'ly female?) group-shopping for clothes. Who's gonna pass this ^ up? Could be SINGLE transaction a/c, good for student, not good for bank.

May be offered by e-tailers or sticks & bricks merchants of products or provider of services. Or by banks themselves, in co-op w these entities.

May explain a few (not all) of those seemingly high numbers of a/c's. jmo

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Anyone remember bank ads for a free toaster for opening a savings acct? Actually a different rationale than these current incentives, but looking back, makes some sense.
For those too young to recall, or anyone who wants to reminisce.
2009 article goes back 30 yrs: "Why Banks Used To Give Out Toasters"
coul
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potentially, but those accounts usually aren't that free. minimum balances, etc. imo and ime this is a less likely explanation, particularly for the overlap, but icbw.
 
Sundog said:
Some posters are speculating that BK may have fraudulently approached the King Road residence as a DD driver, although it is not clear how that could happen. If it did happen, BK would have needed access to an actual DD driver's account, or hacked into an account (or accounts), or signed up using another name/identity. And perhaps other options that I haven't listed?

If that were the case, then it would be interesting to see if the dates and times of the 12 occasions when BK's cell phone records put him in the area of the King Road house as mentioned in the Probable Cause Affadavit correspond to dates and times of King Road orders using DD. The PCA does say that the 12 occasions that BK's cell phone records put him in that area were all (except one) in the late evening or early morning hours.

The PCA only gives two dates - August 21, 2022 and October 14, 2022. August 21 is a Sunday and October 14 is a Friday. Wonder if the other 10 occasions are weekends when college students would be most likely to order DD late at night or in the early morning hours.
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Police said Kohberger applied for an internship with the Pullman police in the fall of 2022. In an essay he said he wanted to help "rural law enforcement agencies with how to better collect and analyze technological data in public safety operations," according to court documents.
Idaho murders: Roommate saw killer in mask leaving the house, docs say

What in his background provided him with knowledge on analyzing IT data? If he's internet savvy, maybe he developed a backdoor into DD. I can't wait for the day when all of these warrants make sense.

You guys have likely discussed his SteptoeVillage apt.

"The university provides TV, Internet, water, sewer, garbage, steam heat and hot water. The resident is responsible for electricity and phone service. Residents have access to the city bus routes through bus stops located near SteptoeVillage. Graduate students can only select the one and two bedroom flats in this complex."

BK resided at this apt. for free by only paying for the electricity he used?
https://housing.wsu.edu/apartments/steptoe-village/
 
Going out on a limb here and Hopefully won’t get ripped apart too bad, hence the apprehension but put together possibilities of the DD warrant! So tired of hearing about DD but had to do it!!(likely just LE covering all bases but if not)…
1. Cross referencing BK gps data with that of the DD drivers gps data for all
dates. do any dates/gps put BK and DD on Kings row same time?
2. Any possibility of BK students being DD drivers (not sure how that
would fit)?
3. Looking for deliveries made to BK-location of delivery, how paid, time
4. Any “anonymous“ deliveries ever made to victims‘ house?
5. BK friendly with any drivers/employees of DD?
6. Ridden with any DD driver, maybe BK asked someone he knew to ride
along to see if he’d like being a driver.
Feeling a little embarrassed to post what is more than likely nonsense!
 
DeDee said:
Police said Kohberger applied for an internship with the Pullman police in the fall of 2022. In an essay he said he wanted to help "rural law enforcement agencies with how to better collect and analyze technological data in public safety operations," according to court documents.
Idaho murders: Roommate saw killer in mask leaving the house, docs say

What in his background provided him with knowledge on analyzing IT data? If he's internet savvy, maybe he developed a backdoor into DD. I can't wait for the day when all of these warrants make sense.

You guys have likely discussed his SteptoeVillage apt.

"The university provides TV, Internet, water, sewer, garbage, steam heat and hot water. The resident is responsible for electricity and phone service. Residents have access to the city bus routes through bus stops located near SteptoeVillage. Graduate students can only select the one and two bedroom flats in this complex."

BK resided at this apt. for free by only paying for the electricity he used?
https://housing.wsu.edu/apartments/steptoe-village/
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Didn't the degree he did back east have a cyber component? I'll check and see if I can find a link.

EDIT: I found it, see further down thread.
 
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<modsnip: Quoted post was removed> ... to add that this statement from the PCA:

D.M. did not state that she recognized the male.

I pointed it out at the time, and what bothered me about it is that means she did not say that she recognized him but she also did not say she didn't recognize him. I would think JMO IMO that if she did not recognize him, she'd have said so. Ditto if she did. Several WSers explained that LE was only reporting what she did not say, and yes, IGI. That's not the issue.

Maybe it was just poorly phrased by LE or maybe she just wasn't sure. Maybe it was only when she was presented with a photo of BK after LE IDd him end of November that she recognized him as a DD guy who delivered or knew Kaylee or whatever, and then LE had to rule out all other possible DD guys.(doesn't explain March 1-31, 2021 however, unless he visited then.)

Anyway, imo jmo a possible scenario on how LE related him to DD although he did not work for DD.

The sentence that follows is faulty logic, so that has always stood out to me, too.

D.M. did not state that she recognized the male. This leads investigators to believe that the murderer left the scene.

At the very least, that is a total non-sequitur imo jmo and it's only possible to connect the two statements by filling in with assumptions which is probably not the best way to go here. imo jmo.
 
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Sister Golden Hair said:
one driver would not get le the expansive warrant they got, however.
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I saw your reply this morning, and I thought, 'good point,' and liked it but I have thought again, and yes, I agree, the expansive warrant would not be needed for one driver.
But, I mentioned yesterday or the day before, that lots of students work in DD kind of jobs, and so many of the employees could possibly be DD drivers. The reason that makes me think this, is we do not know anything about the DD driver from that night. He was publicly eliminated, yet we know nothing. I believe he knew more than we know, potentially a CI, and I think it is connected to DD by association. Maybe BK purposedly befriended the 'DD driver students".
Whatever the reason, I do believe that DD, as a branch in Moscow, is significant as a place of employment for students.
 
RENT, Occupancy Expenses at Steptoe?
DeDee said:
.... You guys have likely discussed his SteptoeVillage apt.
"The university provides TV, Internet, water, sewer, garbage, steam heat and hot water. The resident is responsible for electricity and phone service. Residents have access to the city bus routes through bus stops located near SteptoeVillage. Graduate students can only select the one and two bedroom flats in this complex."
BK resided at this apt. for free by only paying for the electricity he used?
https://housing.wsu.edu/apartments/steptoe-village/
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snipped for focus @DeDee Maybe BK was paying more than elec & phone.

Scrolling down on the page* linked in OP, I found this rental/price list:
"Monthly Rates
One Bedroom Flat: $695
Two Bedroom Flat: $815
Two Bedroom Townhouse: $845
Three Bedroom Flat: $920"

I vaguely recall (sorry, no link) something about Pullman TA's (or certain grad students in certain programs there) receiving substantial rent reductions for Steptoe apts, but I could be wrong.
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* https://housing.wsu.edu/apartments/steptoe-village/
 
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DeDee said:
Police said Kohberger applied for an internship with the Pullman police in the fall of 2022. In an essay he said he wanted to help "rural law enforcement agencies with how to better collect and analyze technological data in public safety operations," according to court documents.
Idaho murders: Roommate saw killer in mask leaving the house, docs say

What in his background provided him with knowledge on analyzing IT data? If he's internet savvy, maybe he developed a backdoor into DD. I can't wait for the day when all of these warrants make sense.

You guys have likely discussed his SteptoeVillage apt.

"The university provides TV, Internet, water, sewer, garbage, steam heat and hot water. The resident is responsible for electricity and phone service. Residents have access to the city bus routes through bus stops located near SteptoeVillage. Graduate students can only select the one and two bedroom flats in this complex."

BK resided at this apt. for free by only paying for the electricity he used?
https://housing.wsu.edu/apartments/steptoe-village/
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I found it. Thank you to @citizen_sleuth who did the spadework on this one - it's the courses that comprised his DeSales degree. Whether that would have qualified him to do the job he proposed to the police, who knows. Someone with an actual degree might know if the courses would qualify him to analyse data from digital sources like that.

ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 42

However, I doubt it would have allowed him to hack Door Dash. DD no doubt hires people way better at computers and far more specialised than BK whose entire job is to stop hackers and bots gaining access.

MOO
 
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