Did Morphey know what he was involved in?

[dee10134]

Is the Sanitary & Ship canal the same as Cal Sag? If not, what does Cal Sag stand for?

The Sanitary & Ship Canal is not the same as the Cal Sag. The Cal-Sag stands for the Calumet Sag River. It's a channel that runs from the Sanitary & Ship Canal through the far southern suburbs of Chicago, no where near Bolingbrook.

The Sanitary & Ship Canal, however, has a number of bodies of water that run parallel, namely the I&M Canal (Illinois & Michigan Canal-which was replaced by the Sanitary & Ship Canal and is now more like a creek) and the Des Plaines River.

 

[dee10134]

We need a local. Does anyone know where on Cal Sag one man could remove a barrel from a vehicle and be able to put it into the water? And how fast the current in the canal is this time of the year?

I don't think he would have dumped her into the Cal-Sag. It's too far of a drive from Bolingbrook.

However, he could have dumped her into the Sanitary & Ship Canal at NUMEROUS locations ranging from Joliet to Lemont and she would float with the current towards Chicago.

Important bridges that are used for traffic to cross the Sanitary & Ship Canal and the Des Plaines River are Chicago St. in Joliet, Jefferson St. in Joliet, Lemont Road in Lemont, IL-171 in Lemont, the 135th St. Bridge in Romeoville, the IL-7 Bridge in Lockport, and the new I-355 tollway bridge in Lemont. I may have missed a few smaller ones, so forgive me if I forgot some...

 

[SuziQ]

Thanks dee, now if I'm understanding what I've been hearing in the media, the Cal Sag is being searched because it's near Scott Rossetto's house. LE says it's the last place her phone made calls from?

 

[dee10134]

We need a local. Does anyone know where on Cal Sag one man could remove a barrel from a vehicle and be able to put it into the water? And how fast the current in the canal is this time of the year?

Oh yeah, almost forgot. The S&S Canal only really sees barge traffic. It's pretty calm most of the year, but I don't really know about any undertow.

The Des Plaines River is also very calm this time of year. The current gets pretty fast during the summer, especially after thunderstorms and heavy rains.

 

[mysteriew]

Are there any dams or anything to impede a floating barrel?

Somehow I don't see Drew P leaving the barrel to float. Too great a chance that the lid will get knocked off and Stacy's body getting loose. Now weights added and the lid wired on or concrete added to the barrel, that I can see. He could have added the concrete after he dropped Morph off.

 

[dee10134]

Thanks dee, now if I'm understanding what I've been hearing in the media, the Cal Sag is being searched because it's near Scott Rossetto's house. LE says it's the last place her phone made calls from?

The Cal-Sag is nowhere near Shorewood. If I'm not mistaken, the rivers nearest Shorewood are the DuPage River, the now defunct I&M Canal (more like a creek than a canal) and the Des Plaines River (which merges with the Chicago Sanitary & Ship Canal near Rockdale.

The DuPage River runs straight through Shorewood, so that's probably the waterway they're currently searching...

 

[dee10134]

Are there any dams or anything to impede a floating barrel?

Somehow I don't see Drew P leaving the barrel to float. Too great a chance that the lid will get knocked off and Stacy's body getting loose. Now weights added and the lid wired on or concrete added to the barrel, that I can see. He could have added the concrete after he dropped Morph off.

Not too sure on the dams. I know there is at least one on the Des Plaines because the Des Plaines is prone to flood every now and again. There are also locks on the Des Plaines and the Chicago Sanitary & Ship Canal because of the barge traffic.

 

[mysteriew]

Delaney posted this in the barrel thread

Originally Posted by delaney
State Police are looking under the bridge in Lockport which crosses the I&M canal and the Des Plaines River. Last night on the NBC Local News this was confirmed, as a picture of the bridge from the base was shown, with searchers on horseback. I am going out to do a visual later. We have had several low flying State helicopters in the area since yesterday.

 

[SuziQ]

To keep things in the right thread I'm going to post the below information on the Rossetto and cal sag connection here,
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56677&page=9

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http://www.suntimes.com/news/peterson/672255,stacy112807.stng

Although they’ve found nothing concrete, investigators speculate that Stacy Peterson’s body may have been dumped near Rossetto’s Shorewood town house, sources say.

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Is the Cal Sag river that is being searched near Shorewood, IL. ?

 

[DeltaDawn]

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/myfox/

Has this link been put here yet..Thomas Morphy's friend does an interview ..he is the one Thomas confided in after being with Drew that evening.

If it has been posted let me know and I will remove the link and post.

 

[SuziQ]

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/myfox/

Has this link been put here yet..Thomas Morphy's friend does an interview ..he is the one Thomas confided in after being with Drew that evening.

If it has been posted let me know and I will remove the link and post.

Thanks, brb!

 

[DeltaDawn]

Dee is there a place where the Cal Sag and Sanitary shipping Canal meet?

 

[SuziQ]

Delaney posted this in the barrel thread

I am getting lost as to where to discuss what. lol. :waitasec:

 

[mysteriew]

I am getting lost as to where to discuss what. lol. :waitasec:

LOL, I know. I brought Delaney's post over because it seemed pertinent to the discussion that was happening in this thread.

 

[SuziQ]

LOL, I know. I brought Delaney's post over because it seemed pertinent to the discussion that was happening in this thread.

I think that means the pieces are starting to fit togther. That's a good sign.

 

[DeltaDawn]

The interview with Thomas friend is chilling to me because he states that Thomas felt very afraid of Drew because Thomas told him if Drew could do this to his wife..he certainly would do it to a brother.....
That poor man..Drew you are a peice of dirt ..I hope you go to prison for life..the DP is too good for you..you need to live long and suffer...

 

[SeekingJana]

No, imo, Thomas did not know what he was involved with at the time. Knowing DP, it would not shock me to know that he told the man immediately after the deed was done. DP can be cruel beyond belief, glib, sarcastic, bullying, and we don't know what he may have said to Tom about the barrel moving.

Not an earth-shattering post, but no, IMO, I don't believe that both are sadistic sociopaths, and to me, a person who would or could knowingly move and dump a possibly still warm 23 year old mother's body is a sociopath. I truly believe that DP is, and that Thomas was a very badly misused family member. He probably has long-standing problems, but not the same problems that motivate DP.

One thing to consider:
If DP enlisted Thomas without Thomas's knowledge, then it's going to make DP look a lot worse when this does go to court.. especially since Thomas has apparently suffered mental anguish, as any normal person, including juror, would also experience.

JMO.
Maria

 

[DeltaDawn]

From the interview with Thomas friend, this is the friend Tom turned to after the moving event with Drew..Thomas did not know what the was getting into and thought he was just helping move a box..but then because it was warm, about Stacy's weight, etc Thomas got suspisious..I feel for Thomas..I think he is another vic of Drew's. Drew probably hoped Tom would leave fingerprints and DNA behind..as well as if there was Stacy's DNA on the box he touched.
Then he was not only trying to frame Scott R but also his brother if Scott R story didn't pan out the way Drew hoped it would with cell pings..

And I absolutely do not beleive he is having memeory lapses..I think Thomas told everything not only to his friend but the police..the memory lapses was probably leaked to insure Thomas and his friends safety..Drew you can't go after someone who just can't remember can you?

What did the rest of you think after watching the clip of the interview with Thomas' friend?

 

[dee10134]

To keep things in the right thread I'm going to post the below information on the Rossetto and cal sag connection here,
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56677&page=9

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http://www.suntimes.com/news/peterson/672255,stacy112807.stng

Although they’ve found nothing concrete, investigators speculate that Stacy Peterson’s body may have been dumped near Rossetto’s Shorewood town house, sources say.

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Is the Cal Sag river that is being searched near Shorewood, IL. ?

The Cal Sag is no where near Shorewood. It's about 40 miles East.

The DuPage River runs directly through Shorewood. The Des Plaines is due east from Shorewood and is where the riverboat casino is located.

 

[SuziQ]

I just watched the fox vid with with Thomas' friend Walter Martinek, JR. Drew is one cold and calculating SOB. Can you imagine what Drew said to Thomas in the hospital???!!!! Walter seems like an up and up guy. But I guess Brodsky is going to say he's got issues too.