katydid23
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Is it propaganda for a 12 yr old boy to tell what he experienced in captivity? Is he supposed to keep it all a dirty secret?
Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #13
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Election time? I wonder what that means for Gaza. If Israel does topple Hamas who will hold the elections? The PA leader pretty much indicates he wants no part of Gaza after the war - they don’t want to have to go in and clean up the mess - politically or physically. If not Hamas and not Fatah, then who? Who will run? Who will try to organize and hold these elections? Will Gazan civilians step up to the challenge of starting all over again? Will they be those who believe the Hamas rhetoric and align with the Hamas goal of killing Jews? Will they be those who have watched as Hamas has plunged Gaza deeper into despair and what will be the chance that any new leaders of Gaza might become potential partners for peace with Israel? Or will the pain of this war be so heavy on their hearts and minds that no matter what view they had before this war they now seek vengeance on Israel for the lives being lost and the homes and property being destroyed? Yes, quite likely a divided population in Gaza before this war and perhaps still now but will this war bring them together against a common enemy? Will they still be divided by the time any kind of elections can be held? Will another terrorist organization step up to take the place of Hamas and if so will they even allow elections?
Hamas was at the border every single day trying to break it down. There is no reason not to imagine them coming over. Many times they came over with weapons. Every article and video is from prior to Oct 7th.
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WATCH: Palestinian rioters breach Gaza border fence
Some 5,000 Palestinians clash with IDF on the border, throwing explosives and stones at troops; 11 said wounded from IDF fire; one rioter injured after grenade explodes in his hand; on the beach, 11th flotilla of boats sets sail towards Israeli waters in effort to break blockade.www.ynetnews.com
Why my friends are breaching Gaza's separation fence
For most Gazans the separation line perfectly embodies Israeli oppression and the hardship living in what a former British prime minister called 'an open-air prison', writes Muhammad Shehada.www.newarab.com
So because HAMAS did this or tried to breech the fence before Oct 7th, Israel should have anticipated that HAMAS was planning what they did on Oct 7th?
Anticipating them breeching the fence still does not equal them breeching the fence and committing the atrocities they did that day. Who thinks people will breech the fence to attack, rape, murder, and abduct civilians?
We had planes get hijacked before 9/11, but I don't think it would be fair to say we should have known terrorists would coordinated the hijacking of 4 plans to hit 4 buildings and kill 1000s of people just because we know hijackings happened.
People breech the US/Mexico border daily.. multiple times daily, but if a drug cartel decided to do what HAMAS did on Oct 7th.. coordinate and come flying across and send bombs over, etc. we should somehow expect that because they have successfully breeched the fence before?
I've said it before, but it's worth repeating. Those preventing terrorism have to get it right 100% of the time and those committing terrorism have to get it right once.
It's Hamas/ilk specifically reacting to what hostages relatives are saying and the relative hostage paying the price and getting special attention.
Where did you come up with the condemning of Netanyahu?
What does Israel's being a democracy have to do with Netanyahu if he thought that during negotiations it was unwise for the freed hostages to tell the media the atrocities they experienced out of concern for the held hostages and to refrain.
Obviously they can tell the media whatever they want
Agreed.
It calls into question why they are deserving of the welfare handouts ?
Undeserved -- if they're actively trying to harm/kill the hostages.
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RELEASED: Ditza Heiman, 84, beloved ‘savta’ returned in a wheelchair
Capture of Kibbutz Nir Oz resident, who lives alone, was filmed by Hamas terrorists during the terror onslaught on October 7
Taken captive: Ditza Heiman, 84, alone in her sealed room
Neighbors saw the Kibbutz Nir Oz resident surrounded by Hamas terrorists and placed in a car driven by gunmen during the terror onslaught on October 7
www.timesofisrael.com
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But up until the 10/7 massacre, the 'attacks' were smaller, sporadic incidents. I don't think IDF ever imagined such a well coordinated, well manned effort, with so many invaders, coming in so many various ways---motorcycles, stolen trucks, paragliders, rafts, by foot, etc. And by the thousands.Hamas was at the border every single day trying to break it down. There is no reason not to imagine them coming over. Many times they came over with weapons. Every article and video is from prior to Oct 7th.
View attachment 464436WATCH: Palestinian rioters breach Gaza border fence
Some 5,000 Palestinians clash with IDF on the border, throwing explosives and stones at troops; 11 said wounded from IDF fire; one rioter injured after grenade explodes in his hand; on the beach, 11th flotilla of boats sets sail towards Israeli waters in effort to break blockade.Why my friends are breaching Gaza's separation fence
For most Gazans the separation line perfectly embodies Israeli oppression and the hardship living in what a former British prime minister called 'an open-air prison', writes Muhammad Shehada.
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The 10 Hostages released tonight, after 52 days in Hamas Captivity have arrived at the Hospital, where they will be reunited with their families.
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However, there was always very large groups. What was Israel going to do with 5,000 Gazans when they breached the fence, as they tried to do several months ago? Large numbers of an angry terrorist mob are freak'n dangerous, whether they knew about what they practicing. This mob was always very angry and full of rage. They're known terrorists. They were constant shooting over rockets. Why would they suddenly show up and not be extremely dangerous and why wasn't the border better protected ?
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Do we think Hamas wears same dirty clothes of 50 days?Gaza normally gets its water supplies from a combination of sources, including a pipeline from Israel, desalination plants on the Mediterranean Sea and wells. Those supplies were slashed when Israel cut off water, along with the fuel and electricity that power water and sewage plants, in the wake of the Hamas attacks.
Gaza's limited water supply raises concerns for human health
Limited water supplies are posing a growing threat to human health in the Gaza Strip. Regular sources of water have mostly dried up with Israel cutting off pipelines and fuel and electricity to run water and sewage plants.apnews.com
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My God...the film/video, the text messages. A beautiful peaceful community ravaged by horror.RELEASED: Ditza Heiman, 84, beloved ‘savta’ returned in a wheelchair
Capture of Kibbutz Nir Oz resident, who lives alone, was filmed by Hamas terrorists during the terror onslaught on October 7
Taken captive: Ditza Heiman, 84, alone in her sealed room
Neighbors saw the Kibbutz Nir Oz resident surrounded by Hamas terrorists and placed in a car driven by gunmen during the terror onslaught on October 7
So hard to watch and follow all this destruction, cruelty and living nightmare.
But must bear witness as much as I can.
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What a strong woman Yochaved Lifshitz from Kibbutz Nahal Oz! After being released from Hamas captivity and providing valuable information from captivity, she came tonight to a demonstration of support calling for the release of all the abductees. Her husband Oded has been held captive by Hamas for 52 days
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They're terrorists and their numbers at the border have always been huge. Starting in 2018, on Fridays they have held riots at the fence. The border area was not properly secured. They are an angry terrorist group. What do you expect from an angry terrorist mob which is armed with Iranian rockets and wants to destroy Israel?
Hundreds of Palestinians riot on Gaza border; 9 said wounded by IDF fire
Military says suspects hurled explosives at fence, tried to cross it; violent protest comes after report claiming Hamas may resume regular marches on frontier
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Hundreds of Palestinians riot on Gaza border; 9 said wounded by IDF fire
Military says suspects hurled explosives at fence, tried to cross it; violent protest comes after report claiming Hamas may resume regular marches on frontier
By EMANUEL FABIAN 1 September 2023, 11:49 pm 11Weekly protests along the frontier began at the end of March 2018 and continued almost every Friday until the end of 2019, with the demand that Israel lift its restrictions on the movement of people and goods into and out of the coastal enclave and calling for the return of Palestinian refugees and their descendants to lands that are now a part of the Jewish state.
Israel says its blockade of Gaza is necessary to prevent Hamas from freely arming itself for war and attacks.
The protests frequently included violence, including the hurling of explosives, rocks and firebombs at IDF soldiers, as well as attempts to storm and sabotage the border fence, and in some cases live fire toward Israeli soldiers. Troops often responded with rubber-coated bullets and tear gas as well as live fire. More than 200 Palestinians were killed at the demonstrations and thousands were injured.
In addition, Palestinians regularly flew helium balloons into Israel carrying explosives and incendiary devices, sparking fires that destroyed large swaths of foliage.
While Hamas is said to now consider resuming the ”Marches of Return,” as they came to be known, no official statement has yet been published by the terror group on its future plans.
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If Hamas had done their job as leaders of Gaza, there wouldn't have to be angry rage filled mobs trying to break thru the fences. There wouldn't have to be fences like that if the people had been given ALL of the foreign aid, ALL of the supplies that Hamas actually stole.
It was possible for Hamas billionaire leaders to actually create a nice environment and stable place to create businesses and homes for the people. Hamas blames Israel for their people's poverty but I blame Hamas.
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Do Hamas wear their same dirty clothes for 50 days? I think they find a way to have clean clothes.
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Still, Israel knew they were angry. Just like we know that drugs are being smuggled in the US. Do we prevent the drugs from being smuggled or excuse it with "If cartels had done their jobs they wouldn't smuggle drugs" and shrug it off as the cartel's fault.
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I wonder if Israel really thought Hamas 'could' breach the Iron Wall.
"The barrier, which is an innovative and technologically advanced project, deprives Hamas of one of the capabilities it tried to develop," Israeli Defence Minister Benny Gantz said, according to a defence ministry statement.
The ministry said the barrier, which includes hundreds of cameras, radars and other sensors, spans 65 kilometres (40 miles) and that 140,000 tonnes of iron and steel were used in its construction, which took 3.5 years to complete.
Israel announces completion of underground Gaza border barrier
Israel on Tuesday announced the completion of a sensor-equipped underground wall on its side of the Gaza border, a counter-measure developed after Hamas militants used tunnels to blindside its troops in a 2014 war.
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Palestinian Prisoners' Society?30m ago
So far, 150 Palestinian women and children have been released under the hostage swap and ceasefire deal between Israel and Hamas.
Monday’s releases brought the number of Israeli hostages freed from Gaza to 51, as well as 19 people of other nationalities. The deal contains a clause extending the ceasefire by 24 hours for every 10 additional freed Israelis, in exchange for 30 Palestinians.
The Palestinian prisoners released so far have been mostly teenagers accused of throwing stones or firebombs during confrontations with Israeli forces, although some have been convicted of attempted murder, including stabbings, and manufacturing explosives.
According to UN data, one in five Palestinians spends time in Israeli prison at some point after trials in a military court system with a conviction rate of more than 98%.
Before the swaps began last week, the Palestinian Prisoners Society said that 7,200 prisoners were held by Israel, among them 88 women and 250 children.
Many on the initial list of 300 potential candidates for release are held in administrative detention, which allows for pre-emptive arrest, on secret evidence, and six-month extendable stints in prison without charge or trial.
Israel has arrested an additional 3,260 Palestinians, including 120 women and more than 200 children, since 7 October.
Israel says 30 Palestinians released after 12 hostages returned from Gaza – as it happened
Israel says Palestinians have been freed after nine women, a child and two foreign nationals were handed to the Red Crosswww.theguardian.com
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Are you saying Iran does not support Hamas with weapons and training?
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Those seen escorting hostages to be released are certainly clean enough. They don't look war-torn and ragged. jmo
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