Petra, thank you for tracking down the Letterman information. Your English is fine! I think it's amazing that this forum now has contacts in Italy, Greece, Croatia, England, Canada and now Norway. Perfectly astonishing.
How and where did George and Margaret meet?
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We know that "Russell" travelled to California with MArgaret. This Russell died in California. Sounds like he could be our guy.
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Wow--great work! I did a zabaseach, and there was still a Russell DeVor listed in Glendale, CA as of 2002. Perhaps a spouse or a son? I wish I still lived in LA, I would take a drive over!
The California Death Index for the Russell DeVor from Glendale, CA is for a Russell Vernell DeVor, and I thought I saw earlier that someone had posted that the Russell from Poughkeepsie is a Russell Arthur DeVor. Interestingly enough, SSDI lists his birthplace as Michigan, but the California index lists birthplace as Illinois.
The California Death Index for the Russell DeVor from Glendale, CA is for a Russell Vernell DeVor, and I thought I saw earlier that someone had posted that the Russell from Poughkeepsie is a Russell Arthur DeVor. Interestingly enough, SSDI lists his birthplace as Michigan, but the California index lists birthplace as Illinois.
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Hi Dr Doogie, the record abt Russell, found by SherlockHolmes jr, it is not the same Russell Arthur DeVor on MK article... I made a little search and really was another R A DeVor in Michigan in 1930 census, as a well it are the right RA DeVor in Ducthess, NY, 1930 census... but all is possible.... never to say never... regards, raf
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Hi Petra, the URL picture:
http://history.amedd.army.mil/booksdocs/histories/ArmyMedicalSpecialistCorps/147.jpg
the URL webpage http://history.amedd.army.mil/booksdocs/histories/ArmyMedicalSpecialistCorps/default.htm, click on Tilt table improvised from X-ray table, Letterman General Hospital, San Francisco, Calif., 1959
Regards, raf
Thank you, raf.
I appreciate the link and am getting too involved in reading all the info from the beginning. :crazy:
I was thinking that the picture could actually be taken earlier, since the name of the hospital was not changed to Letterman General in 1960, yet that is the name in the caption under the photo....so it could have been an earlier archieved photo collected for publication during 1959.
I hope that makes sense.
Also trying to look at the nurse uniforms to see if they were changed or updated style-wise by 1959. The nurses caps look all the same to me!!!
Although, there are sites to museums and history of nursing uniforms on line that I was reading last night. Got as far west as England!! Lots to look at.
Anyone look at Vasser Nursing School yearbooks yet?
Since Vassar is in New York state, it is looking more and more as if that might be the place to look for Margaret, Russell and GB. Petra, you are right to point out that the "General" was added to the name later, though the hospital was always called Letterman...
It's looking more and more as if Margaret Kukoda comes from Poughkeepsie, N.Y. and went to the Vassar Hospital Training School for Nurses, which apparently merged with Columbia some time ago and doesn't exist by the same name. There is a Vassar Brothers Medical Center in Poughkeepsie. I don't know how we would go about checking yearbooks or school records, under the circumstances.
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So does this mean that this is not the same Margaret Kukoda that Doogie contacted the family? If so, why didn't they state that she had gone to nursing school in NY?
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I thought it was established already either in the forum here, or thru an e-mail from another member that MK did attend Vassar Nursing School.
Alumnae Chairman
MARGARET KUKODA is chairman
of arrangements for a reception
and dinner to be given
by members of the Vassar Hospital
Alumnae at the I^elson house
Thursday night, June 8, in honor
of members of the 1939 graduating
class of the Vassar Hospital
praining School for Nurses. The
reception will be held at 7:30
o'clock and dinner will be served
at 8 o'clock. Assisting Miss Kukoda
are: Elsie Taher, Hortense Marchessault...........of arrangements for a reception
and dinner to be given
by members of the Vassar Hospital
Alumnae at the I^elson house
Thursday night, June 8, in honor
of members of the 1939 graduating
class of the Vassar Hospital
praining School for Nurses. The
reception will be held at 7:30
o'clock and dinner will be served
at 8 o'clock. Assisting Miss Kukoda
from the link provided by raf.....
So...MK maybe a 1939 Graduate from the Vassar Hospital School for Nurses????
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INfo about the school:
Vassar Brothers Hospital School of Nursing
Reade Place
Poughkeepsie, NY 126019/1/1905
9/9/1972Vassar Brothers Hospital
Director of Nursing Service
Rade Place
Poughkeepsie, NY 12601
(845) 454-8500
Vassar Brothers Hospital School of Nursing
Reade Place
Poughkeepsie, NY 126019/1/1905
9/9/1972Vassar Brothers Hospital
Director of Nursing Service
Rade Place
Poughkeepsie, NY 12601
(845) 454-8500
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also this article is interesting, of 1940 year:
Red Cross to Entertain
At Tea Tuesday for Nurses
The Dutchess County chapter of
the American Red Cross is entertaining
at tea, 4 to 6 o'clock, Tuesday
afternoon, March 12,' at the
Vassar Alumnae house in honor of
the Red Cross nurses of Dutchess
" county. The day is the anniversary
of the birthday of Jane Delano,
founder of the Red Cross Nursing
Service.
The committee arranging for the
tea includes: Mrs. Lois Coffin
Brlggs, chairman of the Red Cross
Nursing committee; Mrs. Louis E.
Knauss, secretary, and Mrs. Lyndon
H. Thatcher, chairman of the
Volunteer Service in the Dutchess
County chapter of the American
Red Cross.
Included among the Dutchess
County Red Cross nurses are: Mrs.
Catherine Adami, Mrs. Elizabeth
Alsdorf, Mabel R. Andrews, Louise
S. Bahret, Mrs. Marion Baird,
Lucy M. Baright, Louise C. Beck,
Mis. Allegra Blakley. Clara M.
Brlggs, Mrs. Lois C. Brlggs, Christina
C. Bruno, Florence C. Bullard,
Margaret J. Campbell, Rachel E.
Cole,. Mrs. Helen D. Dangleri, Kathcrlne
DeWitt, Amy C. Doherty.
Mrs. Lily Frost, Elizabeth Hall,
Mrs. Ruth Haubennestel, Mrs. P. M.
Hedgecock, Mrs. Edith Hutson,
Margaret Jenkins, Beatrice Jennings,
Mary E. Kanane, Dorothy p.
Keiiey, Marion E. Knapp, Mrs.
Rose A. Knauss, Mrs. Bessie Kriger,
Margaret M. Kukoda, Mrs. Clara
Si Lake, Mrs. .Sylvia Liswood,
Rachel McCrimmon, Mrs. Lillian
tiller, Mrs. Mae Miltenberger,
Let ha K. Myer, Martha E. Nickse.
Mrs. Marion Parke, Mrs. Betty
Parker, Elizabeth Parmele, Mrs.
Sophie Pearce, Marion L. Pitcher,
Dorothy Raybold, Wilma C. Reynolds,
Mrs. Gladys Russell, Esther
Schaffer, Grace Sease, Mrs. Dirkje
Secor, Gr. Constance Spice, Esther
E. Staples, Mrs. Cynthia Sweet,
Sara Louise. Sweet, Elsie A. Taber,
Elsie Thorne, Marie Tsclfudin,
Marie M. Tyler, Leona F. Ward,
Signe M. Widhplm.
"'- Mrs. Mildred Adarnieo, Wingdale;
Alyera Bowen, Miliisrook; Winifred
Bowman, Clinton Corners; Agnes
K. Bower, Pleasant Valley; Mrs.
Irene Bresjin, New Hamburg;
Phiipmena clemente, Wingdale;
Mrs- Ida Coiteux, Pawling; Mrs.
Elsie* Dickenson, Pine Plains; Mrs.
Mary Ferris, Wassaic; Mrs. Evelyn
Fields, Red Hook.'
. -Mrs. Harriet Gardner, Mil|erton;
Thelma L. Griffith, Ifew Hackensack;
Mary L. Harrell, Staatsburg;
May E. Hpos, LaGrangeyille; Isabel
K. Jordon, Pine Plains; Edythe M.
Lurid, Hopewell Junction; Mrs.
Rosetta t ynskey, Wingdale; Marion
Mac Core., WaPPJrigers Falls; Mrs.
Grace Manning, Holmes; Mrs. Bessie
Moore, Pleasant Valley; Josephine
Pantuscp, Wappingers Falls;
Eva B. Pelt|er, and Jean b. Post,
Beacon.
Mrs. Antoinette Quackenboss,
Pine Plains; Mary F. Roiyiaine,
Pawling; Mrs. Mabel Russell, Dover
Plains; Elizabeth E. Sang, Mpores
Mills; Mrs. Nellie Silver, Fishkill;
Ruth Silvernail, Mitlerton; Mrs.
Marion St ripple, Wappingers Falls;
Beatrice Tremper? Rhinebeck; Mrs.
La vina Traver, LaGrangevilie;
Mrs. Marian Wetzel, Rhinebeck;
Mrs. Carolyn Wright, Red Hook,
and Helen C. Williams, Wingdale.
regards, raf
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Ok--Russell DeVor attended a birthday party with a George Rogers.
Poughkeepsie NY Daily Eagle 1934 - 1823.pdf
And here he is listed as ARTHUR RUSSELL DEVOR, and was sentenced to jail for a DUI!
Poughkeepsie NY Daily Eagle 1935 a - 4534.pdf
and here:
Poughkeepsie NY Daily Eagle 1935 a - 4391.pdf
He was listed for draft in 1941:
Poughkeepsie NY Daily Eagle 1941 - 2362.pdf
Since his correct name appears to be Arthur Russell Devor, I did a SSDI, and there is an Arthur DeVor who was born Feb 06, 1913 and died in July 1969. It does not list last known state of residence, but lists that the SS was issued in NY. This has to be the right one, because in the article about his DUI (in 1935) it lists that he is 22, which would make a birth year of 1913.
I could not, however, find a SSDI for Margaret? Do you have a copy of her death cert. in the box from hell?
Opps, I found something, do not know if it means anything...
I found a Margaret Brody, who was born in Pennsylvania. She was born April 25, 1924 and died in Sept 1965. This could be her because if Margaret Kukoda was in nursing school in 1941, she would have been 17-20 yrs old, correct? That would make a birthdate of 1924 reasonable. Does anyone thing Margaret and George were married, or did he just list her as that so that he could get her benefits?
Nevermind---I see Margaret died in 1967. I knew that...
Poughkeepsie NY Daily Eagle 1934 - 1823.pdf
And here he is listed as ARTHUR RUSSELL DEVOR, and was sentenced to jail for a DUI!
Poughkeepsie NY Daily Eagle 1935 a - 4534.pdf
and here:
Poughkeepsie NY Daily Eagle 1935 a - 4391.pdf
He was listed for draft in 1941:
Poughkeepsie NY Daily Eagle 1941 - 2362.pdf
Since his correct name appears to be Arthur Russell Devor, I did a SSDI, and there is an Arthur DeVor who was born Feb 06, 1913 and died in July 1969. It does not list last known state of residence, but lists that the SS was issued in NY. This has to be the right one, because in the article about his DUI (in 1935) it lists that he is 22, which would make a birth year of 1913.
I could not, however, find a SSDI for Margaret? Do you have a copy of her death cert. in the box from hell?
Opps, I found something, do not know if it means anything...
I found a Margaret Brody, who was born in Pennsylvania. She was born April 25, 1924 and died in Sept 1965. This could be her because if Margaret Kukoda was in nursing school in 1941, she would have been 17-20 yrs old, correct? That would make a birthdate of 1924 reasonable. Does anyone thing Margaret and George were married, or did he just list her as that so that he could get her benefits?
Nevermind---I see Margaret died in 1967. I knew that...
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I did find a SSDI for a Margaret Bennett, with a death of Aug 1967, with last residence of Mill Valley (Marin). Any chance this could be her? The social was issued in NY. and the birthdate is Oct 9, 1895
Margaret Thomas
birthdate of June 1 1902 -death Aug 1967 from Oakland, and the social was issued in Ohio.
Margaret Bruner: too old I think!?
Birthdate of Sep 4, 1885 -death Aug 1967 from San Francisco, social issued in CA.
If we are sure that Margaret is from PA originally, then I found the following:
Margaret Adams:
birth: Oct 9, 1918 death-Aug 1967 No last residence, social issued in PA.
Margaret Hegedus -too young??
birth: Feb 24, 1927 death Aug 1967 No last residence, social issued in PA
Does anyone know the history of the social security number? Since social security did not start until the 1930's, did people get the social sec. number from their birth state or from the state they were living at the time? If so, maybe her social was issued in CA? (Sorry, thinking aloud, excuse my stream of thoughts...) If so:
Margaret Walton:
Birth: Sep 4, 1902 -death Aug, 1967 Last residence San Francisco
Ok--it is late, I need to get some sleep--will research more tomorrow!
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Margaret Thomas
birthdate of June 1 1902 -death Aug 1967 from Oakland, and the social was issued in Ohio.
Margaret Bruner: too old I think!?
Birthdate of Sep 4, 1885 -death Aug 1967 from San Francisco, social issued in CA.
If we are sure that Margaret is from PA originally, then I found the following:
Margaret Adams:
birth: Oct 9, 1918 death-Aug 1967 No last residence, social issued in PA.
Margaret Hegedus -too young??
birth: Feb 24, 1927 death Aug 1967 No last residence, social issued in PA
Does anyone know the history of the social security number? Since social security did not start until the 1930's, did people get the social sec. number from their birth state or from the state they were living at the time? If so, maybe her social was issued in CA? (Sorry, thinking aloud, excuse my stream of thoughts...) If so:
Margaret Walton:
Birth: Sep 4, 1902 -death Aug, 1967 Last residence San Francisco
Ok--it is late, I need to get some sleep--will research more tomorrow!
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Jules, not sure where you are going with all these Margarets! Margaret Kukoda was Margaret Kukoda only. Never married. Margaret was born in New Jersey in the spring of 1917 and died in Aug 1967.
A visitor of the forum has sent an e-mail to Dr. Doogie and I sharing with us that MK's California nursing license was issued in 1947. Our guess is that 1947 was the year she left the Army and applied for a civilian nursing license. Hmmm, wasn't she charged in 1952 or 1953? Maybe it was 1947 when she went to California?
Licensee Name: KUKODA MARGARET MARY
License Type: Registered Nurse
License Number: 58266
License Status: REVOKED
Expiration Date: April 30, 1958
Issue Date: January 31, 1947
County: SAN FRANCISCO
Actions: No
Thanks PS for sending us the tip!
A visitor of the forum has sent an e-mail to Dr. Doogie and I sharing with us that MK's California nursing license was issued in 1947. Our guess is that 1947 was the year she left the Army and applied for a civilian nursing license. Hmmm, wasn't she charged in 1952 or 1953? Maybe it was 1947 when she went to California?
Licensee Name: KUKODA MARGARET MARY
License Type: Registered Nurse
License Number: 58266
License Status: REVOKED
Expiration Date: April 30, 1958
Issue Date: January 31, 1947
County: SAN FRANCISCO
Actions: No
Thanks PS for sending us the tip!
I will post Margaret's death certificate if necessary. Although it does give her birthplace as New Jersey, it is important to remember that she had been comatose for quite a long time, that she had no family members in San Francisco that we know of, and that George Brody was her official legal guardian and probably provided at least some of the information. According to the death certificate, Margaret died on her 50th birthday; however, the year in the date of birth has been changed. The DC says that the length of stay in the county of death (SF) was 30 years and that the length of stay in California was 30 years (this was as of Aug 3, 1967.)
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Ok. I guess where I am going with this is that Margaret is not listed in the social security death index, that I can find. I even plugged in the social that Sidekick provided. Nothing. If she has a social, doesn't she have to be listed? I guess my point is that how do we know for CERTAIN that she never married, and how do we know that George did not change her last name for some reason on the death cert. I am still an amatuer with this research, so perhaps I am not looking in the right places, but I would think that she would have to be listed somewhere, correct? Sorry if I am hurting, rather than helping the search.
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MK most probably was born in 1917 in Phillipburg, NJ; Tony Kukoda was resident in this town the 12 Sep 1918 date of WWI draft registration card....
by ancestry.com:
Name: Margaret Kukoda
Social Security #: 569429507
Sex: FEMALE
Birth Date: 3 Aug 1917
Birthplace: New Jersey
Death Date: 3 Aug 1967
Death Place: San Francisco
raf
PS I believe that in Vasser hospital they have the birthdate of MK, and maybe also the new destination when she left the Vassar..
by ancestry.com:
Name: Margaret Kukoda
Social Security #: 569429507
Sex: FEMALE
Birth Date: 3 Aug 1917
Birthplace: New Jersey
Death Date: 3 Aug 1967
Death Place: San Francisco
raf
PS I believe that in Vasser hospital they have the birthdate of MK, and maybe also the new destination when she left the Vassar..