Dating the Photos

This photo clearly shows the album Surrealistic Pillow (Jefferson Airplane 1967)

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Not real helpful in pinning down the timeline, as we already know the timeline doesn't go much before 1967, but it may give an indication of his musical tastes in trying to figure out the others.

Leonard Bernstein, the long-time conductor of the NY Philharmonic and composer of musicals, etc (West Side Story). I googled his albums to try to find the exact cover, but there are so many.[/quote]


This album is [I][B]Green River[/B][/I] (Credence Clearwater Revival - August 1969)

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This album is Green River (Credence Clearwater Revival - August 1969)

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The video recorder to the right isn't much use in dating the photo, unfortunately.

It shows a Sony TCV-2020 video recorder, which was introduced in 1965 and apparently ran until 1970.

This is what it would have looked like:

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Worryingly (perhaps) the unit was available with a camera attachment, sold separately, that allowed you to record video and sound to tape. The camera had to be tethered to the machine and wasn't a true camcorder.

I don't know what the lifespan of one of those units would have been but they weren't cheap - retail was $1,250 in 1965.
 
Random pointless observation of the day:
This photo
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reminds me of this album cover
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What's the significance of the rainbow suspenders? Just a fashion statement or does it mean anything?

You can thank Robin Williams (Mork) for the popularity of the rainbow suspenders. The Mork and Mindy show aired from 1978 to 1982. So I'm guessing this pictures was from 78 or 79 prior to Alcala's arrest in 79.

http://images.google.com/images?hl=...esult_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CCQQsAQwAw
 
OK, first post on this thread - just noticed it this morning. I feel like I've looked at thousands of pictures today!! One in particular caught my eye in order to try to help narrow down a more precise date.

Here's the pic I used (I couldn't see the year but saw July 4th):

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AND then I found this after some crazy google searches:

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Doesn't look like a July picture to me as everyone is dressed quite warmly so I'm assuming this one is at least fall or so of 1970 into 1971. The sign/flag/banner still could have been used years later I suppose.

ETA: looks like he was on the east coast around then too though it doesn't necessarily have to have been in DC.
Anyhow, now that I got here I'll keep following.
 
Random observations:

http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00053.jpg
One of the papers on the wall looks like it says "The Modern(?) Jazz Quartet"

http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/01431.jpg
Greenwich Village poster -
The "Three.... Sleeping Beauty" book/album collection.. does anyone know anything about that? -
has anyone identified that record yet, the one with the guys in a forest(?)-
and those headphones are the same as in these pictures, and I'm assuming they're all in the same apartment:
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http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00681.jpg
http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00443.jpg
http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00403.jpg

http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00522.jpg
She's holding a Kodak Instamatic 154. These were made from 1965-1969.
 
Random observations:

http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00053.jpg
One of the papers on the wall looks like it says "The Modern(?) Jazz Quartet"

http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/01431.jpg
Greenwich Village poster -
The "Three.... Sleeping Beauty" book/album collection.. does anyone know anything about that? -
has anyone identified that record yet, the one with the guys in a forest(?)-
and those headphones are the same as in these pictures, and I'm assuming they're all in the same apartment:
http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00751.jpg
http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00681.jpg
http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00443.jpg
http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00403.jpg

http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00522.jpg
She's holding a Kodak Instamatic 154. These were made from 1965-1969.

If you read back in the thread, I know the Jefferson Airplane and CCR Green River albums have been identified earlier in this thread and the Beatle's pictures on the wall were a "freebie" with their White album, also the camera info is already here, but thanks for joining us! I can't remember exactly where in the threads, but if you search you'll find them. Not sure where you're seeing the Modern Jazz Quartet poster, but wasn't Dave Brubeck's called that? Looks so far as if this was Alcala's east coast apt. between 68 -71.
 
Please keep discussion in this thread to clarification of dating items and questions about dating items, rather than discussions of the persons in the photos.

Thanks!
BeanE
 
So far, Creedence Clearwater Revival album released August 69 posted by Carlk, is the latest date for this room. That means that anytime before that cannot be considered when that album shows in a picture here. If that Album is in all of the "girls with headphones" pictures then, there is no reason to look for them before August 69, we know they were alive at least then. Can or does anyone see anything in these photos that makes this picture show any later date. An album? Artwork? Whatever? Since Green River is at the end of the shelf, it makes me wonder if Alcala kept his albums in chronological order, Disreali Gears by Cream, released 67 is in the middle of the stack, so I wonder this. Those of us who kept a lot of albums had to have some way of organizing them.

Also, it says that RA went back to the east coast in 77, but I'm guessing by clothes, albums etc., that this is indeed before his return to CA. I'll have to look, but does the timeline say exactly when he went back to CA in 71. This narrows the field pretty good for trying to ID these gals in these pictures (if they are missing) it so far would be between August 1969 and whenever he left in 71. So, does anyone see anything that would be after August 1969?
 
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http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/01431.jpg

There are differences between these two pictures as to what's on the wall. The Bell telephone sign seems to have been removed on the one and there seems to be a velcro patch (did they have that then?) where it was. The greenwich sign is missing on that also, and replaced by the Madonna & child, or the other way around. What came first here the chicken or the egg? I happen to think the apparent nude photo looks like it was later, only because of the missing bell telephone sign though. Does anyone have a good enough photo program that could show the marks left of something posted on the wall beforehand?
 
http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00681.jpg

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/photogalleries/localnews2011323273/47.html

These two photos appear to be taken at relatively close time (if not the same night/day) the table behind them looks like it is the same and has the same stuff on it. The record albums on this one, appear significantly different than the ones of the other girls.

these two, because of the arrangement of the record albums seem close in time:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/photogalleries/localnews2011323273/50.html

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/photogalleries/localnews2011323273/46.html

And this one, entirely different time based on what's on the wall and the difference in the albums:

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http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00443.jpg
 
http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00123.jpg

There is a General Electric box to the left of the picture that might be dateable. It's beyond me but someone might know.

Another idea might be to try and date the bicycles. The blue shirt boy has one

http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/01591.jpg?w=102&h=150

and the two girls on a bench in front of a bush:
http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00193.jpg?w=150&h=147
http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00113.jpg?w=150&h=147

I forget if the model of this motorcycle was identified yet.
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http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00123.jpg

There is a General Electric box to the left of the picture that might be dateable. It's beyond me but someone might know.

Another idea might be to try and date the bicycles. The blue shirt boy has one

http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/01591.jpg?w=102&h=150

and the two girls on a bench in front of a bush:
http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00193.jpg?w=150&h=147
http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/00113.jpg?w=150&h=147

I forget if the model of this motorcycle was identified yet.
http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/02141.jpg?w=102&h=150

Great idea to try to date the bicycles, (and cars, when we can) but I think we should do that on their own picture thread. There's not that much in those pictures to date and they are with only the same subjects the two girls and the one boy as far as the bikes go. The apartment however, has multiple things that might narrow down our search field. So I think we should keep this thread for the apartment pictures. Less confusing as to which picture we're talking about. What do you guys think?
 
Could it be this paper? Maybe when he lived in NY?

http://www.villagevoice.com/news

Maybe what I thought may have been a lighter "U" before "VOICE" is actually where it says "The Village" printed lengthwise and the VOICE printed across after that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Village_Voice

I think it is very possible he was making contact with potential victims through the newspaper classifieds and/or the phone book. JMO



From the Wiki article on the Village Voice:

The Voice is also known for containing adult content, including sex advice columns and many pages of advertising for "adult services" (i.e., escorts, prostitutes, etc.). This content is located at the back of the newspaper.


Did he advertise for these girls or were some of them call girls? Any murdered prostitutes during his time in NY or NH? Do we know if he lived in both states and when?
 
I checked out Alcala's timeline and it turns out he was in NYC in the summer of 1971. Many people from the city would head out to the beaches of Long Island during the summer months.

During that summer a college friend and I hitch hiked to one of those beaches. A young guy who said he was a film student picked us up in a convertible, if I'm remembering correctly. He had a lot of photo equipment in the car leading me to completely believe his story.

He suggested we go further down the beach where it was more remote. Then he gave my friend some money and sent her off to the concession stand, which was quite a distance away. Being young and naive, I let him talk me into walking down towards the water so he could film me. I'm pretty sure I had on some kind of top or t-shirt, but I was wearing only my underwear on the bottom. Looking back, I'm sure he could see right through my white, cotton panties.

Back at the blanket, he rolled on top of me. I hadn't ever had sex at that point and got very scared. I tried embarrassing him- saying that with his looks I was sure he could find someone that actually wanted to have sex with him. I don't remember him actually having a hard on but he seemed to be trying to pretend that he did. Within a few minutes he rolled off.

I can't remember what the guy looked like but I don't remember his hair being as long as Alcala's. Should I contact the NYC police to see if I am in any of the photos they haven't released to the public? Or is this just crazy thinking?
 
If you go to this Facebook page, you will see photos that were released. The only ones that weren't released were ones that were completely inappropriate for the general public, including sexual acts. If he didn't film you in anything that couldn't be put out to the general public, then you probably don't have to worry. I sure don't see anything wrong with you contacting the police though. You just never know. Here is a link to the photos:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Help-Find-Serial-Killer-Rodney-Alcalas-Victims/161183953929612
 
I finally got a call back from the DA's office about my possible encounter with Alcala. I spoke with a Susan Frazier and told her my story. I was surprised when she didn't just brush me off but instead said that the incident sounded just like Alcala's MO. She said that I could very well have dogged a bullet.

Susan told me there are thousands of photos that haven't been released to the public and that they are trying to match. She is passing my info on to the New York DA's office and told me to call Det Ellis about the photos. Since he's very busy she encouraged me to keep trying.

I might not have had a top on when he was supposedly filming me or taking snapshots at the beach that day. I remember distinctly that I had stripped down to my undies, though. I was embarrassed and never looked towards him to see what type of camera this person was using. As a matter of fact, I remember deliberately turning my head away from where he was sitting.

I asked if Alcala either owned, or had access to a convertible that summer when he may have picked me up. But Susan said she didn't know much about the case they are putting together in NY. Not many people drive convertibles, so I think that would be a big clue for me.

I had time to study him because I was riding in the back seat and I remember thinking he was nice looking though not very talkative at all. As a budding photographer myself I wanted to chat more about cameras but he didn't seem interested in any discussion. Did Alcala have a quiet demeanor or was he talkative? I wish I knew.

The guy was the right age, thin, with dark hair. I don't think his hair was long and bushy like he's usually seen with. But recently on TV I saw him with shorter, trimmed hair when he was attempting to disguise himself after assaulting a little girl. My eyes opened wide and I just though, "omg". That was the look I remembered.

At this point I'd really like to know if it was him or not. Maybe I should think about trying to write him and asking casually if he ever went to a beach that summer. If I give too many details a sicko like him would get off on pretending it was him, just to get his jollies. So I'm not sure how I would go about that. Just thinking out loud here.
 
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Re" the swing pic still:
...It looks to me like if that shutter was in the down position it would look just like a book shelf and one might never know there was a window there...it seems to be long enough to reach all the way to the sill of the window (based on the size of the door on the adjoining wall to the left). There appears to be a layer of brick removed from the sill to make the shutter area fit the shutter rather than customizing the shutter. Yeah, kinda creepy. I'll have to keep those "bookshelf/shutters in mind now when looking at the pic's again...
http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/01431.jpg

Taking a look outside both windows, the left is a fire escape and the right is a half grate covering the bottom half of the window to keep people from falling out of the window. I think the dropdown shutter on the left window is possibly to keep people (burglars etc) from trying to enter through the fire escape.

Also, the brick arches above the windows inside the room match the brick arch seen out the left window on the opposite building.
 

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