Special needs child "voted" out of classroom

She is a teacher! a TEACHER. She should know better. If you are going to be a teacher you better be willing to follow ANY IEP set forth. You better understand that not all children have the same needs and not all children learn or understand on the same level. If you can not show compassion to ALL children of ALL needs you should not teach period.

SHE DID harm this chid emoctionally and SHE should pay for any help the child needs because of the harm she did. PERIOD.


If she was getting so frustrated she was harming a child emoctionally she should of went to her boss and or the school board and got help. We would not accept a parent emoctionally harming their child and we should not accept or excuse it when a teacher does it either. There is no excuse for what this teacher did. NONE.


as far as the jokes about going and suing so and so now because they hurt your feelings. Making fun of this is not only childish but tacky.

BTW the child has been tested now and it is not offical he DOES have a disablity. It is in this thread that a private dr did the testing for the family.
 
Since everything in most school districts is about money and any complaints this boy's parents made would just be poo pooed away , a lawsuit is the only logical choice. Just think of what the teacher may have done to the boy all year long making his behavior worse. This lawsuit may get her out and put other bad ones on notice and prevent more troubled children from being treated quite as badly in the future.
 
Since everything in most school districts is about money and any complaints this boy's parents made would just be poo pooed away , a lawsuit is the only logical choice. Just think of what the teacher may have done to the boy all year long making his behavior worse. This lawsuit may get her out and put other bad ones on notice and prevent more troubled children from being treated quite as badly in the future.


right I agree totally
 
Emotional child abuse: types and warning signs

Emotional child abuse involves behavior that interferes with a child’s mental health or social development: one website calls it “the systematic tearing down of another human being.” Such abuse can range from verbal insults to acts of terror, and it’s almost always a factor in the other three categories of abuse. While emotional abuse by itself doesn’t involve the infliction of physical pain or inappropriate physical contact, it can have more long-lasting negative psychological effects than either physical abuse or sexual abuse.
Examples of emotional child abuse include:


Verbal abuse
  • Belittling or shaming the child: name-calling, making negative comparisons to others, telling the child he or she is “no good," "worthless," "a mistake."
  • Habitual blaming: telling the child that everything is his or her fault.
Emotional abuse can come not only from adults but from other children: siblings, neighborhood or schoolyard bullies, peers in schools that permit a culture of social ostracism (the “mean girl” syndrome). The signs of emotional child abuse include apathy, depression, and hostility. If it happens at school, the child may be reluctant to go to school and develop or fake a physical complaint.
 
WE pay for THEM. So it's up to US to get involved by remedying the problem, not suing THEM.

Suing them = suing ourselves.

As long as school is compulsory, then the government is required to provide a free and appropriate and EQUAL environment for each student.

If they want to pass the school vouchers legislation and push the special needs kids onto private schools, bring it on. But as long as I am paying taxes and can be hauled in front of a judge and jailed for not sending my child to school, then school had best not be an abusive situation.

Not everyone can afford to homeschool or send their kids to private school. We assume that government schools will be safe and appropriate. They should be but often are not.

Can you imagine being required by law to send your child to a daycare center where the employees didn't wash their hands between diaper changes? Or ride on a school bus that couldn't pass the safety inspection? Would you sue to change it if no one would listen to your pleas for help? I would. This is the same thing.
 
As long as school is compulsory, then the government is required to provide a free and appropriate and EQUAL environment for each student.

If they want to pass the school vouchers legislation and push the special needs kids onto private schools, bring it on. But as long as I am paying taxes and can be hauled in front of a judge and jailed for not sending my child to school, then school had best not be an abusive situation.

Not everyone can afford to homeschool or send their kids to private school. We assume that government schools will be safe and appropriate. They should be but often are not.

Can you imagine being required by law to send your child to a daycare center where the employees didn't wash their hands between diaper changes? Or ride on a school bus that couldn't pass the safety inspection? Would you sue to change it if no one would listen to your pleas for help? I would. This is the same thing.

I swear to God if mommy comes out of this with a new Mercedes I'm going to flip! :)
 
I know that this case touches a lot of people personally. The way I see it is that there are a lot of possibilities for how this situation can be handled to make things better. I am not convinced suing is the right solution. It seems like a civil liberty person said to mommy, you should sue, you've been wronged. I strongly strongly disagree with that. Everyone has been wronged at some point in life. Being a sue happy people does not make our country any better.

With that said, I need to know the intent for the lawsuit. It sounds like a civil lawsuit, not a criminal suit if she is suing vs. pressing charges. Civil lawsuits have a lower burden of proof (instead of beyond reasonable doubt I believe it is something along the lines of more than likely or over 50% - but I'm no lawyer). With that said, the case would likely be for punative damages and would hurt the school system and the teacher and provide monitary gain to the mom. I can't stand suing for monitary gain everytime someone is wronged.

I believe that solutions should be determined based on the end goal, not a "now that I'm in a position to do such and such". My frustration with the case is that what I have read did not say that the mom wants to use this situation to work with the school board, teachers, autism groups etc to find solutions. If she truly wanted to make a difference for all of the children with autism (or even hers) I think all of the options should be looked at before deciding to sue. She could work with autism groups, do community fundraisers for all of the autism related challenges. She could work with the school on teaching them and showing them where to find the resources. I am guessing this mom has done a heck of a lot more to learn about autism and to learn how to handle her son than any of the school staff have. I am sure she has researched, met with specialists etc. She probably knows a lot more about the problem than the school. Perhaps there is a problem in that school system with how to treat children while they are being tested, but before they are diagnosed.

For those of you who have given me a hard time for not reading everything, I have. But I am going to look at all sides of a story before I rush to a decision. I supported the mom with filing a complaint when this happened. I also read the report where the teacher says her side of the story and how she was trying to teach the boy through the children. I get that that won't work, but this teacher said the child heard everything from adults and was trying a different method to get through to the kid. There are two sides to the story. If that method and other methods tried by the teacher haven't worked, the seemingly obvious solution is to work with the teacher on a program that will work. Now that the child is diagnosed, perhaps the child can be in the classroom for the parts of the day or classes where he does well and go to another area better for him for part of the day. Some of the parents of autistic children on this thread stated they do similar things. I think that is a great solution and it is focused on what is best for the kid.

Still this mother does have an opportunity to do something bigger for the cause. She can use her story to work with the school board, support changes to legislation, raise awareness, do fundraisers, work with her school board on establishing programs for before a diagnosis is complete, roll out larger scale organization that focuses on needs of toddlers and young children before they have the diagnosis and are able to receive the special programs they require.

I see so many ways that this woman could use this situation and use it to create so much good. If she can convince me that her intent is to create a landmark case that through punitive damages will improve prediagnosis treatment, then I could support her. However, I don't see any evidence that that is the intent or the likely outcome of the lawsuit. I see the lawsuit as destroying the teachers life, taking away valuable time and money from the school board, and honestly, causing her to fall in disfavor with the school system. I have a harder time working with someone that says do this or I will sue. I find them very irritating. On the flip side, I would like to see her move forward with her efforts to improve the situation. Instead of taking away the school systems resources for a lawsuit, work with the school board to find solutions. Help them to increase what they have to support autism and other related disorders. Work with them to ensure they have programs for teachers and staff. Make sure they have flexible programs for parents and children.

None of my comments are about what she could have done before this happened. My comments are about the countless choices she has going forward. What is her end goal. Determine the best way to accomplish the end goal. If her intent is to change the way the children are treated, I would like to see her use this situation and work with the school system to see what changes and improvements can be made before she just throws out the "I'm suing you all". At this point, I have no reason to believe that the school system is being so stubborn that they refuse to work with her as she moves forward. I think the suit is only appropriate if she uses this situation and works to make a difference and the teacher and school system refuse. Yes, a mistake was made, but that does not mean the teacher, the school, and the eduation system are not willing to put training and systems in place to prevent this type of thing from happening again. Until and unless the education system comes out refusing to make improvements, I think she needs to hold off on suing.
 
I guess we'll have to see the amount she's suing for, but this woman is a teacher, and most likely doesn't have alot of money.
 
I know that this case touches a lot of people personally. The way I see it is that there are a lot of possibilities for how this situation can be handled to make things better. I am not convinced suing is the right solution. It seems like a civil liberty person said to mommy, you should sue, you've been wronged. I strongly strongly disagree with that. Everyone has been wronged at some point in life. Being a sue happy people does not make our country any better.

With that said, I need to know the intent for the lawsuit. It sounds like a civil lawsuit, not a criminal suit if she is suing vs. pressing charges. Civil lawsuits have a lower burden of proof (instead of beyond reasonable doubt I believe it is something along the lines of more than likely or over 50% - but I'm no lawyer). With that said, the case would likely be for punative damages and would hurt the school system and the teacher and provide monitary gain to the mom. I can't stand that.

I believe that solutions should be determined based on the end goal, not a "now that I'm in a position to do such and such". My frustration with the case is that what I have read did not say that the mom wants to use this situation to work with the school board, teachers, autism groups etc to find solutions. If she truly wanted to make a difference for all of the children with autism (or even hers) I think all of the options should be looked at before deciding to sue. She could work with autism groups, do community fundraisers for all of the autism related challenges. She could work with the school on teaching them and showing them where to find the resources. I am guessing this mom has done a heck of a lot more to learn about autism and to learn how to handle her son than any of the school staff have. I am sure she has researched, met with specialists etc. She probably knows a lot more about the problem than the school. Perhaps there is a problem in that school system with how to treat children while they are being tested, but before they are diagnosed.

For those of you who have given me a hard time for not reading everything, I have. But I am going to look at all sides of a story before I rush to a decision. I supported the mom with filing a complaint when this happened. I also read the report where the teacher says her side of the story and how she was trying to teach the boy through the children. I get that that won't work, but this teacher said the child heard everything from adults and was trying a different method to get through to the kid. There are two sides to the story. If that method and other methods tried by the teacher haven't worked, the seemingly obvious solution is to work with the teacher on a program that will work. Now that the child is diagnosed, perhaps the child can be in the classroom for the parts of the day or classes where he does well and go to another area better for him for part of the day. Some of the parents of autistic children on this thread stated they do similar things. I think that is a great solution and it is focused on what is best for the kid.

Still this mother does have an opportunity to do something bigger for the cause. She can use her story to work with the school board, support changes to legislation, raise awareness, do fundraisers, work with her school board on establishing programs for before a diagnosis is complete, roll out larger scale organization that focuses on needs of toddlers and young children before they have the diagnosis and are able to receive the special programs they require.

I see so many ways that this woman could use this situation and use it to create so much good. If she can convince me that her intent is to create a landmark case that through punitive damages will improve prediagnosis treatment, then I could support her. However, I don't see any evidence that that is the intent or the likely outcome of the lawsuit. I see the lawsuit as destroying the teachers life, taking away valuable time and money from the school board, and honestly, causing her to fall in disfavor with the school system. I have a harder time working with someone that says do this or I will sue. I find them very irritating. On the flip side, I would like to see her move forward with her efforts to improve the situation. Instead of taking away the school systems resources for a lawsuit, work with the school board to find solutions. Help them to increase what they have to support autism and other related disorders. Work with them to ensure they have programs for teachers and staff. Make sure they have flexible programs for parents and children.

None of my comments are about what she could have done before this happened. My comments are about the countless choices she has going forward. What is her end goal. Determine the best way to accomplish the end goal. If her intent is to change the way the children are treated, I would like to see her use this situation and work with the school system to see what changes and improvements can be made before she just throws out the "I'm suing you all". At this point, I have no reason to believe that the school system is being so stubborn that they refuse to work with her as she moves forward. I think the suit is only appropriate if she uses this situation and works to make a difference and the teacher and school system refuse. Yes, a mistake was made, but that does not mean the teacher, the school, and the eduation system are not willing to put training and systems in place to prevent this type of thing from happening again.
 
ST. LUCIE COUNTY — Alex Barton told St. Lucie County School District officials Tuesday about the day his teacher asked kindergarten classmates to vote whether he stayed in the classroom.
Alex's mother, Melissa Barton, said school officials asked Alex, 5, to give a statement to the district's Human Resources Department and an attorney representing the district as part of the district's internal investigation of the issue.
"He did a really good job," she said. "He gave an excellent statement. His memory is amazing."
http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2008/jun/18/30gt5-year-old-tells-about-day-voted-out-of/
 
PORT ST. LUCIE, Fla. — A kindergarten teacher who held a vote to kick a 5-year-old autistic student from the classroom lost her appeal for reinstatement.

An administrative law judge Tuesday upheld the St. Lucie School Board's decision to suspend Wendy Portillo for a year without pay and remove her tenure.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,512007,00.html
 
PORT ST. LUCIE, Fla. — A kindergarten teacher who held a vote to kick a 5-year-old autistic student from the classroom lost her appeal for reinstatement.

An administrative law judge Tuesday upheld the St. Lucie School Board's decision to suspend Wendy Portillo for a year without pay and remove her tenure.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,512007,00.html

Well, THANK God! Anyone who makes a child feel badly about himself has absolutely no business educating those kids.

To give her a little grace, she was not aware that the boy was Autistic at the time of the incident, HOWEVER she still singled him out and pitted his classmates against him. That is a mean and abusive form of "discipline" IMO.
 
She deserves a whole lot more than losing her job... what she did was disgraceful! It doesn't matter that this child was autistic, because even if this child was "normal" he did not deserve to be treated this way by a teacher - a teacher entrusted with his safety.
 
Well, THANK God! Anyone who makes a child feel badly about himself has absolutely no business educating those kids.

To give her a little grace, she was not aware that the boy was Autistic at the time of the incident, HOWEVER she still singled him out and pitted his classmates against him. That is a mean and abusive form of "discipline" IMO.

For me, the fact that he was autistic didn't matter - no child should be handled in this manner by an educator.
 
This is unbelievable and no repect for handicap children.
It taught the "normal" children bad behavior!
Children have enough problems then to be 'voted out!'
AND who needs friends more than a child with special needs..........
may this teacher never get a job with children again! IMO........
 
I see this has been bumped up since I last posted disgust with the teacher. It only reminds me that since then someone at my barely 7 year old's school threatened him with the police (if he were older) for swatting his friend on the rear as they walked. Some people at some of the schools are abusing their perceived power with little kids who can not defend themselves. No one would admit who did it after I went to the school ranting and accusing them of being abusers and Nazis, but I'm thinking of filing some sort of complaint with the NEA or another agency. I highly doubt if it would do any good though.
 
Well, THANK God! Anyone who makes a child feel badly about himself has absolutely no business educating those kids.

To give her a little grace, she was not aware that the boy was Autistic at the time of the incident, HOWEVER she still singled him out and pitted his classmates against him. That is a mean and abusive form of "discipline" IMO.

She was fully aware he was being tested for autism and anyone who has been in the teaching profession for 12, 13, 14 years must have known his behavior was not "normal" or average or typical, whatever PC word one would choose.

She compared voting him out of the classroom to other "polls" she has held such as do you want to watch movie A or movie B?

I think she was a good teacher having a very bad day, this doesn't mean her behavior is excusable.
 
As someone who has a relative with autism, I will not give this teacher a pass for what she did. Perhaps she was having a bad day. Autistic children have lots of bad days and do NOT need adults in positions of authority to make any of their days worse for them.

Nothing personal against your post, missmybaby, but I have seen too much of this sort of thing to be able to cut her any slack at all.
 

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