GUILTY UK - Joanna Yeates, 25, Clifton, Bristol, 17 Dec 2010 #2

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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...nge-at-Clifton-College.html?OTC-RSS&ATTR=News

Jo cops search college rifle range

JO Yeates murder cops today searched an old rifle range at a college close to the flat of the murdered architect.
The uniformed police officers checked the range on the grounds of Clifton College — next door to Jo's home.

The 25-year-old's landlord Christopher Griffiths, 65 — who was arrested and bailed on suspicion of Jo's murder — taught at the school.


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i saw a news thread at lunchtime. from what was written...sky news...it appeared to me that cj is saying to the police....clear me totally or i will use top london lawyer.ie threats/control when his reputation seems in ruins.
so much better to keep a dignified silence....
 
Throughout all of this, with various bits of info coming out bit by bit and CJ being arrested, I don't think there is anything that leads me away from my initial theory as to what happened that I discussed with friends and family. I said that I felt that perhaps it was a neighbour. That she had (as so many have suggested) left the door on the latch. Perhaps she was invited round to her neighbours house and went straight from her flat but couldn't be bothered grabbing her keys so as it was in the same building, she thought it would be OK to leave it like that. Perhaps she rejected his advances or perhaps he had different ideas from what she had. He was upset/angry and...

I used to live in a building very similar to Jo's. I often would dash out and leave the door on the latch so that I could take the rubbish out or collect post. There were also times when I stopped to speak to neighbours. Perhaps it could be a case of she popped out, ran into a neighbour outside who said 'I have a Christmas card for you come and get it', or 'Did you still want to borrow that book we were talking about the other week'.

If it is someone you know or feel you know, you tend to let your guard down a little. When I lived in a similar building I lived on the top floor with my BF and there was a guy who lived on the ground floor. He was odd but seemed nice enough, if not a bit too friendly (he would ring our buzzer and odd times of days for example such as midnight mid-week, just for a chat or a drink). There were a couple of times where I ended up just inside his front door for reasons similar to the above. Shortly before we moved out (and in fact one of the reasons we moved out), whilst my boyfriend was abroad on business, he made an inappropriate comment to me. My bf had to raise it with him when he got back as it had upset me a lot and I didn't feel comfortable in my flat and he got very offended and angry at my boyfriend. We didn't speak after that and moved out about 3 months later. I'm not in any way suggesting that this guy was anything more than tactless and inappropriate but when I think about Jo's case and then think about this guy who lived in our building and the fact that I had put myself in a situation where I could be in danger, I can see how Jo's murder possibly happened. It's easy to feel that you know a neighbour even if you have only ever had a few conversations by the letterbox!
 
Throughout all of this, with various bits of info coming out bit by bit and CJ being arrested, I don't think there is anything that leads me away from my initial theory as to what happened that I discussed with friends and family. I said that I felt that perhaps it was a neighbour. That she had (as so many have suggested) left the door on the latch.

But was the door still on the latch when boyfriend returned and if not, why not ?
 
There is no way someone like Joanna Yeates would go out and collect the mail wearing socks that weekend in December. It was freezing, the ground was frozen, wet and cold.

My theory is that she was either murdered by someone who has full access to the flat and was upset during an argument, or it will be a full blown English mystery with half the street under suspicion. I also feel it is a case where prosecution for separate unrelated crimes will come as a result of folk being looked at for Jo's murder.
 
But was the door still on the latch when boyfriend returned and if not, why not ?

Yes - I agree that that is odd. That's what I kept coming back to.I wonder if she grabbed a spare key but then presumably Greg would know if that was a possibility and therefore the police would know. I will sometimes grab the spare key if it is easier than routing from my bag.

Or Greg initially did not notice that the door was on the latch. The door to our house is one where you wouldn't notice it was on straight away although not all doors are like this - my parents doesn't click closed at all so the door tends to blow open if on the latch. If the door had been on the latch however, I can't see why the police wouldn't tell us.

Or the final option leads me back to CJ - Jo locks herself out, goes to ask CJ for the spare key, something happens, he kills here. But my gut told me that it wasn't him. Not sure if that was just because I was disgusted by the way the media had him guilty before the police even arrested him!
 
Latest Guardian offering:

Joanna Yeates murder: Police 'making steady progress'

Chief Superintendent Jon Stratford, of Avon and Somerset police, said "steady progress" was being made but warned: "It could take some time before we find out who killed Jo but we certainly will."

Ah! well, that clears that up.

The University of Bristol issued safety advice ahead of the return of students next week. Staff and students were advised to carry a personal attack alarm and were told they could get one for free from the university's security services.

They were also told they could ask to be escorted to their vehicles by security staff if they were working after dark.
 
There is no way someone like Joanna Yeates would go out and collect the mail wearing socks that weekend in December. It was freezing, the ground was frozen, wet and cold.

My theory is that she was either murdered by someone who has full access to the flat and was upset during an argument, or it will be a full blown English mystery with half the street under suspicion. I also feel it is a case where prosecution for separate unrelated crimes will come as a result of folk being looked at for Jo's murder.


welcome :) are you a metro detroiter? that's my hometown!
 
No lol. I'm an Australian living in England. I watched Requiem for Detroit the other day and it stuck with me.

Anyway with Jo Yeates. I have worked and played sport with girls like her and they are very organised and stable. I would like to know the condition of her found sock, heels, upper back to know if she were dragged along at all.

I also reckon there will be *advertiser censored* charges as a result of all these computers being looked at. In England it seems everytime there is a case and people's PC's are looked at child *advertiser censored* charges follow.
 
No lol. I'm an Australian living in England. I watched Requiem for Detroit the other day and it stuck with me.

Anyway with Jo Yeates. I have worked and played sport with girls like her and they are very organised and stable. I would like to know the condition of her found sock, heels, upper back to know if she were dragged along at all.

I also reckon there will be *advertiser censored* charges as a result of all these computers being looked at. In England it seems everytime there is a case and people's PC's are looked at child *advertiser censored* charges follow.

That is a very good point re: *advertiser censored*! It's concerning how often it seems to happen that they look at a computer and it turns out the person is not involved but they end up having child *advertiser censored*. I hope that is not the case in this one but I've noticed it happening a lot as well.
 
I also reckon there will be *advertiser censored* charges as a result of all these computers being looked at. In England it seems everytime there is a case and people's PC's are looked at child *advertiser censored* charges follow.

Nah, I doubt it. I think it would be protocol to look at a missing person's computer to check there hadn't been previous contact which would indicate where the person may be, or just to check whether they had been conversing with any dodgy 'uns. Remember when they took the computers it was still a missing persons case.
 
i must comment, as a new entry to this thread, how excellent are the theories and how well-thought out.
you get the feeling that everyone, as i do, genuinely wants to do their bit to help justice along in order to see jo's killer...s... caught...
you do feel amongst people who are similar-minded as yourself...in my case retired teacher/one who hates injustice...
 
That is a very good point re: *advertiser censored*! It's concerning how often it seems to happen that they look at a computer and it turns out the person is not involved but they end up having child *advertiser censored*. I hope that is not the case in this one but I've noticed it happening a lot as well.

yes...online *advertiser censored* seems to be at the root of so many events nowadays...sad but true as so easily-available...
 
Le vice anglais has, historically, meant whips, chains, that sort of thing. Not kiddy *advertiser censored*.

(Cough-cough.) How'd we get on this topic?
 
i must comment, as a new entry to this thread, how excellent are the theories and how well-thought out.
you get the feeling that everyone, as i do, genuinely wants to do their bit to help justice along in order to see jo's killer...s... caught...
you do feel amongst people who are similar-minded as yourself...in my case retired teacher/one who hates injustice...

Count me in. Unemployed teacher/one who hates injustice here.
 
But was the door still on the latch when boyfriend returned and if not, why not ?

Great point!! also agree that she would not have gone outside with no shoes, unless someone has confirmed that there is a pair missing?
 
Cadfael, can I approach this with a slightly different question: when was physical violence was first used against Joanna? It looks as though we have three possibilities: (i) inside Joanna's flat, either by an intruder or by someone she knew, or (ii) on some other private property, car or home, to which Joanna voluntarily went, or (iii) in or about the public parts of the building which comprised the flats or in some other public place not far away.
Of these three possibilities, it seems to me that number (iii), which your idea requires, would be the most risky. Assaulted suddenly in a public place, Joanna is going to scream and fight back. The assassin will be lucky if no passer-by comes to investigate, and he will probably leave marks of the struggle on the body, whereas the police seem to be telling us that the body bears no signs of violence (or sexual activity) other than the strangulation.
A further problem I have with your idea is this : if I have understood the way the door locks, it is a kind that can be "left on the latch". Your idea seems to require that Joanna goes outside in slippers to fetch her post, leaving the door on the latch as her keys are still inside, and is abducted before she can return. But in that case, the door would have been on the latch all weekend until the return of the B/F.
Moreover, even if I convince myself (and it's a strain) that she would go outside without her keys, mobile phone, etc., the problem of the disappearing pizza returns in full force. "I'll just nip out and collect my post, won't bother about my keys, but I'll take a pizza in case I need it..."

Yes I agree - if she was abducted whilst she nipped out to get her post and left the door on the latch, this would then have alerted her b/f on his return home and he would have thought it odd that Jo went out and didn't close the door properly.

He may, on his return, have thought she'd be away for only a few mins leaving the door on latch but when she didn't return then surely he would have got suspicious about her going out and leaving the door on the latch? Maybe it didn't register with him but I'm sure he's told the police if the door was on the latch or not.

If Jo nipped out and closed the door taking her keys in order to let herself back in, then that doesn't explain how they got back in the flat..

If she locked herself out, surely the first place she would go to in order to get help would be CJ - after all, he would have a spare key. If he was not in, then another neighbour for help?
 
Moreover, even if I convince myself (and it's a strain) that she would go outside without her keys, mobile phone, etc., the problem of the disappearing pizza returns in full force. "I'll just nip out and collect my post, won't bother about my keys, but I'll take a pizza in case I need it..."

Hear, hear. Exactly. I was set to give much credence to the "nipped out for the mail and was abducted outside" thing, but then I remembered our friend the missing pizza (and box).

Could be cleared up I suppose if she'd left the door on the latch and the perpetrator(s) were lying in wait when she got back, though.
 
Having read lots of press articles on Mr Jefferies, i was wondering if any have reported factually that he did in fact tell a neighbour that he had seen her? All say 'allegedly'. Do we really know that he said anything at all?

See below article for quotes from neighbors
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1342427/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Landlord-Chris-Jefferies-hold-key.html
Yesterday the retired English teacher refused to elaborate on what he witnessed but neighbours gave conflicting versions of what he had told them.

One, who did not wish to be identified, said: ‘The landlord has said he saw Jo leaving with two people on the Friday night she disappeared.’

Another, Geoffrey Hardyman, lives in one of the six flats in the imposing Victorian block.

He said Mr Jefferies ‘saw people coming out after dark as he was parking his car. I don’t think he was really paying any attention but just assumed they were from Flat One – Joanna’s flat.

‘He didn’t know if they were male or female. It was after about 9pm and he thought they must have been her with friends, or just friends of hers.’

Another neighbour, Liz Lowman, said: ‘He said he saw two to three people leave the communal basement flat entrance talking in mild quiet tones. He does not remember what sex they are or what they look like.’
 
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